Joe Brady Record Setting Offense

[NC_Canes_11]

Why do u think allen had to play herro ball tho?Thats kinda the point, that has some to do with the offense too, u think he just stopped doing it mid season? Brady built a more cohesive offense

Im not dismissing his turnovers but he was still among the top guys in epa. I think dorsey is just better suited as an analyst or qb coach imo

He didn’t stop midseason. He still threw one a game after Brady took over. He’s playing behind the best O line he’s ever had and has the best running back he’s ever had next to him. It’s not a mystery why his numbers are down and he’s thrown it less than ever. He doesn’t have to week in and week out anymore. And as I said he ran more once Brady took over.

Kudos to Brady or to Allen himself, whoever got him to make better decisions. But that’s the only difference in his game.

 

[E1k]

He didn’t stop midseason. He still threw one a game after Brady took over. He’s playing behind the best O line he’s ever had and has the best running back he’s ever had next to him. It’s not a mystery why his numbers are down and he’s thrown it less than ever. He doesn’t have to week in and week out anymore. And as I said he ran more once Brady took over.

Kudos to Brady or to Allen himself, whoever got him to make better decisions. But that’s the only difference in his game.

James cook was there last year, i don’t think they have a new starter on the oline. Its not a mystery why its working better with brady instead of dorsey

Its easy to look at it on paper but brady offense has way more layers and is more cohesive than dorsey’s was thats the difference. Its was easy to gameplan for dorsey but allen kept it afloat because he’s an elite playmaker, but him having to lean into that and play hero ball is why he turned it over more. Even the best QBs need a good system

Forget numbers even tho they are still elite just like last year, this is by far his best year he might win mvp. They are a more efficient offense because they have a better coordinator

I think ken is smart as **** in the Xs and Os side but I don’t think he understands how to build an offense yet, its like a bunch of stuff that maybe good but there is no marriage between it all. That will lead the qb to overcompensating.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

James cook was there last year, i don’t think they have a new starter on the oline. Its not a mystery why its working better with brady instead of dorsey

Its easy to look at it on paper but brady offense has way more layers and is more cohesive than dorsey’s was thats the difference. Its was easy to gameplan for dorsey but allen kept it afloat because he’s an elite playmaker, but him having to lean into that and play hero ball is why he turned it over more. Even the best QBs need a good system

Forget numbers even tho they are still elite just like last year, this is by far his best year he might win mvp. They are a more efficient offense because they have a better coordinator

I think ken is smart as **** in the Xs and Os side but I don’t think he understands how to build an offense yet, its like a bunch of stuff that maybe good but there is no marriage between it all. That will lead the qb to overcompensating.

I never said Dorsey was a better OC than Brady. I said was the offense was doing just fine under Dorsey and Allen’s numbers were better except for turnovers. All I’m doing in this thread is dispelling the myth that Buffalo’s offense was broken and was saved by Brady. And that his entire career he’s been good with really good talent and not great with bad talent.

 

[E1k]

I never said Dorsey was a better OC than Brady. I said was the offense was doing just fine under Dorsey and Allen’s numbers were better except for turnovers. All I’m doing in this thread is dispelling the myth that Buffalo’s offense was broken and was saved by Brady. And that his entire career he’s been good with really good talent and not great with bad talent.

Wasn’t broken but the numbers don’t tell the full story. Allen turnovers weren’t the main problem, dorsey was

 

[canes732]

The issue is people on here are emotional. They get way to high and way too low on coaches and players. Look at his career.

Successes
-LSU pass game coordinator with 2 All Pro receivers, an All Pro QB and a 1st round RB.

-OC for Josh Allen and an already really good Bills team

Failures
-OC for Panthers who are terrible with a terrible QB


What in this resume says he’s an elite OC? What proves he’s deserving of a HC job? Also tell me what here says he’s awful at his job and doesn’t deserve to be an OC at the NFL level? Sometimes it has nothing to do with how good the coach is and just how good their players are.

I just think it was too early for him to be the OC here with never calling plays before. He would most likely struggle bc it’s new like at the panthers but now he looks good in his second shot not really that crazy

 

[Bender]

I try to look for the good talent on offense when the best receiver on the team is named Shakir. Outside of him, Buffalo has next to no ability receiving wise that would scare teams.

Allen has been great because Brady has given him an offense where he doesn't have to hero it on every second play. Schematically, its built on short-area-quickness and a run game that exposes lighter fronts. Not to mention that tank on wheels that can still keep the football.

Brady has done some steps as a OC and is rightfully considered one of the premier OCs in the NFL. That isn't a hard statement to make.

 

[AllAboutTheU]

All due respect to our Kenny, but it didn’t workout for him as OC.

Joe Brady turned things around for them up there offensive wise.

Nah, the offense and really good under him as well. There was no turnaround IMO.

 

[PIPO]

Nah, the offense and really good under him as well. There was no turnaround IMO.

 

[AllAboutTheU]

The numbers don’t lie. Dudes are arguing Ws and Ls, not what the offensive numbers actually looked like. Like @NC_Canes_11 pointed out, look at the EPA numbers under Dorsey. The HC was on the hot seat and needed to place some blame somewhere.

 

[PIPO]

The numbers don’t lie. Dudes are arguing Ws and Ls, not what the offensive numbers actually looked like. Like @NC_Canes_11 pointed out, look at the EPA numbers under Dorsey. The HC was on the hot seat and needed to place some blame somewhere.

Kenny has been fired twice in 2 years.

The play of the offense has been better. Yes, Allen has been better and not turning the ball over a lot.

The head coach was never in trouble there.

 

[AllAboutTheU]

Kenny has been fired twice in 2 years.

The play of the offense has been better. Yes, Allen has been better and not turning the ball over a lot.

The head coach was never in trouble there.

I’m not even a huge Dorsey fan, but him being scapegoated twice is pretty meaningless IMO. McDermott’s seat was absolutely getting warm — he had that goofy 9-11 press conference and the team just wasn’t playing well. This year, he had Watson,Jameis, DTR and Bailey Zappe playing QB and no Nick Chubb for most of the year. The Browns are an awful football franchise. My pushback was that Brady led some sort of turnaround, which just isn’t true looking at the numbers.

 

[PIPO]

I’m not even a huge Dorsey fan, but him being scapegoated twice is pretty meaningless IMO. McDermott’s seat was absolutely getting warm — he had that goofy 9-11 press conference and the team just wasn’t playing well. This year, he had Watson,Jameis, DTR and Bailey Zappe playing QB and no Nick Chubb for most of the year. The Browns are an awful football franchise. My pushback was that Brady led some sort of turnaround, which just isn’t true looking at the numbers.

No doubt on the Browns. Awful franchise.

We will agree to disagree regarding the Bills.

 

[DC3]

The numbers don’t lie. Dudes are arguing Ws and Ls, not what the offensive numbers actually looked like. Like @NC_Canes_11 pointed out, look at the EPA numbers under Dorsey. The HC was on the hot seat and needed to place some blame somewhere.

Stats aren;'t everything. He wasnt a good playcaller. It was like pulling teeth with him compared to how much easier daboll and now brady make it look. He also almost refused to run JA as well.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Stats aren;'t everything. He wasnt a good playcaller. It was like pulling teeth with him compared to how much easier daboll and now brady make it look. He also almost refused to run JA as well.

This is a misconception. Allen ran it just over 3 times a game in Dorsey’s tenure. Remember that press conference when Allen said he’s getting older and can’t run as much bc he wants to stay healthy? He made the decision to scramble less.

He’s running it 6 times a game now. The difference is half of those are designed and half are scrambles. So Brady is only running him 3 times a game by design. That’s an Allen decision for the other 3. As most QB’s do with age, he’s learned to get down or out of bounds and he’s a much more willing runner in the red zone now.

 

[DC3]

This is a misconception. Allen ran it just over 3 times a game in Dorsey’s tenure. Remember that press conference when Allen said he’s getting older and can’t run as much bc he wants to stay healthy? He made the decision to scramble less.

He’s running it 6 times a game now. The difference is half of those are designed and half are scrambles. So Brady is only running him 3 times a game by design. That’s an Allen decision for the other 3. As most QB’s do with age, he’s learned to get down or out of bounds and he’s a much more willing runner in the red zone now.

Design runs weren’t there under Dorsey, those were scrambles.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

Design runs weren’t there under Dorsey, those were scrambles.

Please watch every single press conference leading into 2023 and multiple post game pressers about limiting his running to keep him healthy. This was an organizational decision. They prioritized keeping him healthy over letting him make winning plays. The biggest difference in the offenses is Allen was turning it over in the red zone too much bc he wasn’t tucking it and running. Now he is.

 

[DC3]

Please watch every single press conference leading into 2023 and multiple post game pressers about limiting his running to keep him healthy. This was an organizational decision. They prioritized keeping him healthy over letting him make winning plays. The biggest difference in the offenses is Allen was turning it over in the red zone too much bc he wasn’t tucking it and running. Now he is.

I’m a season ticket holder so I know there was an effort by Dorsey and he also loved to run 12 set which wasn’t the best and also was predictable as **** for his play calling, everyone knew what was coming because he has no creativity.

Off topic - Brady loves the 6th extra lineman which I’d love to see Dawson incorporate next year with Samson

 

[NC_Canes_11]

I’m a season ticket holder so I know there was an effort by Dorsey and he also loved to run 12 set which wasn’t the best and also was predictable as **** for his play calling, everyone knew what was coming because he has no creativity.

Off topic - Brady loves the 6th extra lineman which I’d love to see Dawson incorporate next year with Samson

The numbers don’t say that. Again I know stats don’t tell the *entire* story but that wasn’t my point. My only point was that Brady didn’t save the offense. It was more than fine and Allen’s numbers as a whole were better under Dorsey. Has Brady made it better and is he a better OV? Not hard to argue that he is. By a couple PPG. Less turnovers. Better in the redzone.

 

[DC3]

The numbers don’t say that. Again I know stats don’t tell the *entire* story but that wasn’t my point. My only point was that Brady didn’t save the offense. It was more than fine and Allen’s numbers as a whole were better under Dorsey. Has Brady made it better and is he a better OV? Not hard to argue that he is. By a couple PPG. Less turnovers. Better in the redzone.

It didn't need to be saved, but it was vanilla playcalling and easy to predict for most games that werent vs division opponents. They would pass out of 12 but couldn't run out of it. They didn't show alot of tempo last year because Dorsey loved having alot of leverage read routes for Davis and Diggs, which allows defenses to bait them. Played a part of the turnoevers last year which improved alot this year.

Its just much smoother and creative for Brady vs Dorsey because of his tendencies for playcalling.

 

[NC_Canes_11]

It didn't need to be saved, but it was vanilla playcalling and easy to predict for most games that werent vs division opponents. They would pass out of 12 but couldn't run out of it. They didn't show alot of tempo last year because Dorsey loved having alot of leverage read routes for Davis and Diggs, which allows defenses to bait them. Played a part of the turnoevers last year which improved alot this year.

It’s just much smoother and creative for Brady vs Dorsey because of his tendencies for playcalling.

Again I understand the overall and flow of the offense, etc. but the numbers were good. They ran the ball at 4.9 in 2022 and 4.6ish before they fired Dorsey. It’s around 4.5ish this year. It was also much better than Daboll in his couple years as well. He never even got them to 4.5

Dorsey got a worse deal than he deserved.