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RiDLer80 said:
Coley's offense is extremely simplistic and unimaginative.

Completely ignores the middle of the field, TEs virtually non-existent, predictable play-calling, RBs not involved in the passing game at all.

There are high school offenses with better play-calling and more creative than Coley displayed this season.
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Maybe Morris ignored routes in the middle of the field. Or maybe he called plays to keep Morris from throwing over the middle of the field. Wallford had a nice season at TE. What if TEs were covered and thus not an option to throw to? Maybe Morris ignored TE routes because he failed to make progression reads. Should passes just be forced to the TE? RBs certainly ran routes but Morris rarely looked their way.

There is so much more to analysis than just blaming Coley for every problem. Coley did some good things and some bad things. Some people make it out like he did nothing right all year long which is simply false. On a sidenote, it is hard, and this applies to me also, to really judge what is going on during an offensive play without having access to coaches film that show plays from all different angles.
 
morris misses safety valves and open guys all the time. he has no touch, no feel, cant handle pressure, locks onto receivers, etc. he is just a bum.
 
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kmwcane said:
RiDLer80 said:
Coley's offense is extremely simplistic and unimaginative.

Completely ignores the middle of the field, TEs virtually non-existent, predictable play-calling, RBs not involved in the passing game at all.

There are high school offenses with better play-calling and more creative than Coley displayed this season.
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Maybe Morris ignored routes in the middle of the field. Or maybe he called plays to keep Morris from throwing over the middle of the field. Wallford had a nice season at TE. What if TEs were covered and thus not an option to throw to? Maybe Morris ignored TE routes because he failed to make progression reads. Should passes just be forced to the TE? RBs certainly ran routes but Morris rarely looked their way.

There is so much more to analysis than just blaming Coley for every problem. Coley did some good things and some bad things. Some people make it out like he did nothing right all year long which is simply false. On a sidenote, it is hard, and this applies to me also, to really judge what is going on during an offensive play without having access to coaches film that show plays from all different angles.
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I genuinely appreciate your level headed perspective but it's hard for me to look past the fact that Coley had 29 days to prepare for that game and we essentially ran 3 plays and made zero adjustments. Take away Stacy and Duke from this offense and Coley is exposed as an amateur.
 
3rd conversions were the worst ever. All teams had to do was get us to 3rd down and they new they would stop us just about every time.
 
Pennmed Canefan said:
I was never really on the Coley bandwagon, but I have to acknowledge that I have ZERO expectations for this offense minus Duke and Dorsett and without great OL play. It's not going to happen. We know Morris' limitations--he isn't and has never been good throwing into coverage. That's always been his weakness. If we can run the ball and tilt things in his favor, he can get it down the field against lower numbers of defenders. You take away our only legit back, our truest deep threat (which Morris relies on), and give us poor OL play such that we can't run the ball, and I can't find a play set or strategy to defeat that. The only chance that we had in this game offensively was to dominate with our front.

I think it's risky when the best attribute of your COORDINATOR is recruiting. That's great for a RB coach that you can hide, but not so much a coordinator. I was always worried about Coley in that regard. But all in all, I think he did fine this year on the whole especially when you consider Morris' erratic performances and some injuries that we really couldn't afford.
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Then why not run bunch formations and make the reads easy for Morris? How many combo routes did we run this year? We threw less than half as much to our backs this year. You have a senior and it appears to me he is not given any flexibility to audible out of a play. Any audibles are called from the sideline.
 
terdferguson said:
The jury is still out on Coley. There are some glaring problems on offense. Run blocking is atrocious. I mean really bad. We give up an astounding number of tackles for loss on running plays. It puts us in 2nd and 3rd and long far too often and kills drives. The passing attack avoids the middle of the field. And our screen game to the rbs is the worst. We chuck too many bombs. Their low % plays and when they don't hit we can get stuck in long yardage situations...time to punt again.

The offense in two straight seasons is yet to really perform well against a good defense. Coley has only been here for one of those seasons. Morris is the constant. So next year....we shall see.
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Plus, we're zone blocking with a bunch of grinders. Fisch was a zone guy as well.
 
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JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
kmwcane said:
RiDLer80 said:
Coley's offense is extremely simplistic and unimaginative.

Completely ignores the middle of the field, TEs virtually non-existent, predictable play-calling, RBs not involved in the passing game at all.

There are high school offenses with better play-calling and more creative than Coley displayed this season.
Click to expand...

Maybe Morris ignored routes in the middle of the field. Or maybe he called plays to keep Morris from throwing over the middle of the field. Wallford had a nice season at TE. What if TEs were covered and thus not an option to throw to? Maybe Morris ignored TE routes because he failed to make progression reads. Should passes just be forced to the TE? RBs certainly ran routes but Morris rarely looked their way.

There is so much more to analysis than just blaming Coley for every problem. Coley did some good things and some bad things. Some people make it out like he did nothing right all year long which is simply false. On a sidenote, it is hard, and this applies to me also, to really judge what is going on during an offensive play without having access to coaches film that show plays from all different angles.
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I genuinely appreciate your level headed perspective but it's hard for me to look past the fact that Coley had 29 days to prepare for that game and we essentially ran 3 plays and made zero adjustments. Take away Stacy and Duke from this offense and Coley is exposed as an amateur.
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I understand your point of view. I agree that the game last night was not Coley's finest hour, especially after having 29 days to get ready. My only point is that he did some good things during the season that should also be taken into account. I think Coley has potential based on things I observed during the season. I may turn out to be wrong in the end, but I don't think Coley is anywhere near a major issue (like the defensive coordinator and offensive line coach).
 
All night I wondered why we didn't snap the ball when the UL front seven were milling around with their backs to the line of scrimage. We could have snapped it to a RB, when Morris was looking to the sidelines.
 
icarus100 said:
All night I wondered why we didn't snap the ball when the UL front seven were milling around with their backs to the line of scrimage. We could have snapped it to a RB, when Morris was looking to the sidelines.
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They were doing that on purpose. Notice that when the ball was snapped, they were ready, despite what it looked like. Confused the **** out of our offensive line.
 
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He doesnt use the check down as much as he should but he did that last year with fisch also. We will see what Ryan williams does in this offense and see if its morris or coley.
 
kmwcane said:
JimmyJohnsonsHair said:
kmwcane said:
RiDLer80 said:
Coley's offense is extremely simplistic and unimaginative.

Completely ignores the middle of the field, TEs virtually non-existent, predictable play-calling, RBs not involved in the passing game at all.

There are high school offenses with better play-calling and more creative than Coley displayed this season.
Click to expand...

Maybe Morris ignored routes in the middle of the field. Or maybe he called plays to keep Morris from throwing over the middle of the field. Wallford had a nice season at TE. What if TEs were covered and thus not an option to throw to? Maybe Morris ignored TE routes because he failed to make progression reads. Should passes just be forced to the TE? RBs certainly ran routes but Morris rarely looked their way.

There is so much more to analysis than just blaming Coley for every problem. Coley did some good things and some bad things. Some people make it out like he did nothing right all year long which is simply false. On a sidenote, it is hard, and this applies to me also, to really judge what is going on during an offensive play without having access to coaches film that show plays from all different angles.
Click to expand...
I genuinely appreciate your level headed perspective but it's hard for me to look past the fact that Coley had 29 days to prepare for that game and we essentially ran 3 plays and made zero adjustments. Take away Stacy and Duke from this offense and Coley is exposed as an amateur.
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I understand your point of view. I agree that the game last night was not Coley's finest hour, especially after having 29 days to get ready. My only point is that he did some good things during the season that should also be taken into account. I think Coley has potential based on things I observed during the season. I may turn out to be wrong in the end, but I don't think Coley is anywhere near a major issue (like the defensive coordinator and offensive line coach).
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I definitely agree with the part in bold. All things considered Coley is likely the tallest midget on this coaching staff but I still have concerns about him.
 
I think everyone is underrating the team we played. Louisville should not have been in that bowl. We weren't playing someone on our own level. They were preseason consensus #9 while we were #27. They had one (narrow) loss to a team quarterbacked by a guy who will be picked very, very high if he turns pro. Louisville's quarterback would be the only guy with potential to be picked ahead of Bortles. On top of that, Louisville was 3rd in the nation in yards allowed per play. I posted on the day of the game that I thought they would blow up our base looks.

I attended the game and watched from low in the upper deck. There were gaps everywhere in our defense while Louisville had everything blanketed. It was a matter of time before the game caved in.

Morris is pathetic. Can you imagine drafting him, in any round? I'd want to cry if I were a fan of that team. He's a 3-star tunnel vision goof with a big arm and no clue. Switch Bridgewater for Morris and suddenly Coley would look like a genius, once plays were rescued out of nowhere. I'll continue to assert that touch is one of the absolute top requirements for a college quarterback. Morris has none. Even a limited guy like Matt Leinart can feast in college because he can drop it off a roof top. We overreacted to the Jacory Harris example and decided we didn't want a softballer with terrific touch.

I hated that Coley largely ignored the middle of the field. But I believe that was a concession to Morris' weaknesses. He wouldn't see the looming danger in the middle of the field anyway.

I'm still somewhat stunned we defeated North Carolina, given how physical and intense they were that night. I was in the third row. Coley essentially stole that game with an injured outmanned team, given his astute play calling in the fourth quarter. He never received enough credit for that win. It was a superior escape to anything Fisch managed at Coral Gables.
 
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Just watched the whole 1st half. No routes in the middle of the field, only occasional "check-downs" to RB's, which Morris missed of course. Your intermediate passing game can't rely on check-downs though. Verticals, screens and hitches was all I saw. Same **** we saw since week one.
 
Awsi Dooger said:
I think everyone is underrating the team we played. Louisville should not have been in that bowl. We weren't playing someone on our own level. They were preseason consensus #9 while we were #27. They had one (narrow) loss to a team quarterbacked by a guy who will be picked very, very high if he turns pro. Louisville's quarterback would be the only guy with potential to be picked ahead of Bortles. On top of that, Louisville was 3rd in the nation in yards allowed per play. I posted on the day of the game that I thought they would blow up our base looks.

I attended the game and watched from low in the upper deck. There were gaps everywhere in our defense while Louisville had everything blanketed. It was a matter of time before the game caved in.

Morris is pathetic. Can you imagine drafting him, in any round? I'd want to cry if I were a fan of that team. He's a 3-star tunnel vision goof with a big arm and no clue. Switch Bridgewater for Morris and suddenly Coley would look like a genius, once plays were rescued out of nowhere. I'll continue to assert that touch is one of the absolute top requirements for a college quarterback. Morris has none. Even a limited guy like Matt Leinart can feast in college because he can drop it off a roof top. We overreacted to the Jacory Harris example and decided we didn't want a softballer with terrific touch.

I hated that Coley largely ignored the middle of the field. But I believe that was a concession to Morris' weaknesses. He wouldn't see the looming danger in the middle of the field anyway.

I'm still somewhat stunned we defeated North Carolina, given how physical and intense they were that night. I was in the third row. Coley essentially stole that game with an injured outmanned team, given his astute play calling in the fourth quarter. He never received enough credit for that win. It was a superior escape to anything Fisch managed at Coral Gables.
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I don't know how anyone was underrating our opponent unless it was with blind hope. I had very little confidence we would win this game unless we managed some kind of shoot out. After watching the first 2 or 3 offensive drives, it was already looking like it was over.

As far as Coley goes, I'll admit that in a few games this year, I really liked his play calling. I thought the first half of the FSU game was not bad. Most other times though, he looked like a rookie playcaller. Very rarely did we have a full game where the playcalling was satisfactory. Morris didn't have to be elite, but it's completely obvious that he and Coley did not fit each other and Morris looked uncomfortable and lacked confidence from day 1. When Morris had Fisch, he was not elite, but he had confidence on the field. Its just obvious to me that Fisch does a better job of hiding his QB's weaknesses. Better teams will eventually expose those weaknesses which is why we struggled in some of the big games (lets also not discount the impact of our receivers not being able to catch anything in the big games like Dorsett against ND-- if he catches those 2 bombs, that games is much different going into the half), but Fisch got a broken Jacory and made him respectable again and he kept Morris in line most of the time. I don't think Coley could have pulled that off and I'm very nervous for this offense next season regardless of who our qb is.
 
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