James Coley

[Consigliere]

Better now than in Dec/Jan after next season when HC jobs open.

Good coaches leave programs, because smart schools hire coaches who have success.

This is a good thing, it would likely mean Coley did very good here (at his first REAL SERIOUS OC gig).

 

[VinnDogg]

i was not overly thrilled with either the cristobal or coley hires and somewhat less than ecstatic over hurlie brown too. Not sure I am following Golden's hiring decisions of late.

This. The whole "Golden just gets it" meme is premature ejaculation from the pom-pom crowd IMO. He hasn't earned the adulation from his performance on Fall Saturday's. When he get's this team past the point of struggling to beat inferior teams and getting his ****** punched in by better teams, then and only then can we elevate him to worthy status.

I don't particularly care for his impressive rah rah speeches, or his impassioned pleas in the media. The last month hasn't been very good for Golden and coming off two not so good years on the field and I wonder why so many have concluded already that he is the man.

 

[LuCane]

i was not overly thrilled with either the cristobal or coley hires and somewhat less than ecstatic over hurlie brown too. Not sure I am following Golden's hiring decisions of late.

This. The whole "Golden just gets it" meme is premature ejaculation from the pom-pom crowd IMO. He hasn't earned the adulation from his performance on Fall Saturday's. When he get's this team past the point of struggling to beat inferior teams and getting his ****** punched in by better teams, then and only then can we elevate him to worthy status.

I don't particularly care for his impressive rah rah speeches, or his impassioned pleas in the media. The last month hasn't been very good for Golden and coming off two not so good years on the field and I wonder why so many have concluded already that he is the man.

This is an interesting topic all to itself. I understand the "he just gets it" from an organizational standpoint. What he's done to pick up the pieces and try to put them together in the middle of a f'in tornado is impressive on its face. He's a fantastic PR guy and seemingly excellent with respect to having a plan for a culture.

The rest is still to be determined. And, considering he takes so many of his cues from the business world, will ironically be all about the bottom line (wins and losses).

 

[rsa coral gables]

LuCane, what do we have to offer to coley and cristobal that they would come here to use and abuse?

 

[Gables Cane]

i was not overly thrilled with either the cristobal or coley hires and somewhat less than ecstatic over hurlie brown too. Not sure I am following Golden's hiring decisions of late.

This. The whole "Golden just gets it" meme is premature ejaculation from the pom-pom crowd IMO. He hasn't earned the adulation from his performance on Fall Saturday's. When he get's this team past the point of struggling to beat inferior teams and getting his ****** punched in by better teams, then and only then can we elevate him to worthy status.

I don't particularly care for his impressive rah rah speeches, or his impassioned pleas in the media. The last month hasn't been very good for Golden and coming off two not so good years on the field and I wonder why so many have concluded already that he is the man.

This is an interesting topic all to itself. I understand the "he just gets it" from an organizational standpoint. What he's done to pick up the pieces and try to put them together in the middle of a f'in tornado is impressive on its face. He's a fantastic PR guy and seemingly excellent with respect to having a plan for a culture.

The rest is still to be determined. And, considering he takes so many of his cues from the business world, will ironically be all about the bottom line (wins and losses).

Well said. However, I'm riding with Al Golden until he proves unworthy.

 

[LuCane]

LuCane, what do we have to offer to coley and cristobal that they would come here to use and abuse?

Our inherent advantage: our [inside] location. The position of being "the" best option within South Florida.

Say what you will, but being minimal miles away from some of the best talent in the nation is different than coming down here to cherry pick. You build relationships through the interaction afforded by proximity. You think Alabama plucked Cristobal because he's a OLine wizard? They plucked him because he's a strategic move. It's one thing to pull Cristobal or Coley away from FIU or FAU when those schools aren't in direct competition for guys like Ermon Lane. It's another thing altogether to pluck Cristobal from UM (a year in advance) and have that as part of the message.

I've always claimed that Miami should be a stepping stone for coaches. A platform of sorts. Come here. Cut your teeth. Put in the work into the program and then launch into a bigger and better position. The problem becomes when coaches get the benefit of that deal without a benefit flowing to UM.

 

[4Canes]

Longher than Mario "Cafe con Leche" Cristobal.

 

[rsa coral gables]

LuCane, what do we have to offer to coley and cristobal that they would come here to use and abuse?

Our inherent advantage: our [inside] location. The position of being "the" best option within South Florida.

Say what you will, but being minimal miles away from some of the best talent in the nation is different than coming down here to cherry pick. You build relationships through the interaction afforded by proximity. You think Alabama plucked Cristobal because he's a OLine wizard? They plucked him because he's a strategic move. It's one thing to pull Cristobal or Coley away from FIU or FAU when those schools aren't in direct competition for guys like Ermon Lane. It's another thing altogether to pluck Cristobal from UM (a year in advance) and have that as part of the message.

I've always claimed that Miami should be a stepping stone for coaches. A platform of sorts. Come here. Cut your teeth. Put in the work into the program and then launch into a bigger and better position. The problem becomes when coaches get the benefit of that deal without a benefit flowing to UM.

agreed because frankly that's the only legitimate benefit we have to offer right now.

the entire cristobal story has been a clusterfornication. he was brought in with no legitimate responsibility and just a few weeks later he's gone?

 

[kmwcane]

i was not overly thrilled with either the cristobal or coley hires and somewhat less than ecstatic over hurlie brown too. Not sure I am following Golden's hiring decisions of late.

This. The whole "Golden just gets it" meme is premature ejaculation from the pom-pom crowd IMO. He hasn't earned the adulation from his performance on Fall Saturday's. When he get's this team past the point of struggling to beat inferior teams and getting his ****** punched in by better teams, then and only then can we elevate him to worthy status.

I don't particularly care for his impressive rah rah speeches, or his impassioned pleas in the media. The last month hasn't been very good for Golden and coming off two not so good years on the field and I wonder why so many have concluded already that he is the man.

On the other hand, why take an overly negative view of Golden, his hires or the situation with Miami? That, to me, is just as bad as the "rah rah" crowd. As with everything in life, it is never as good or bad as it seems.

At the end of the day, the bottom line is that wins and loses are the most important factor in judging a coach's performance. However, there are other facets of being a head coach that are important as well. Being able to effectively communicate with media and others is important. Being highly organized is important. Being able to delegate is important and so on and so forth.

Furthermore, and I know nothing I will say can convince some people otherwise, but everything isn't just black and white in life, like wins and losses for a coach. Circumstances outside of the actual football team and coaching do have an effect on wins and losses. At best, Golden walked into a less than favorable situation, with the NCAA looming in the back ground and a negative culture surrounding the football team. Eventually Golden, and all coaches for that matter, will be judged on winning, but circumstances sometimes are a mitigating factor. It would be a different story if Golden took over in 2002 instead of when he did.

Color me cautiously optimistic about Golden. Do I think he will win a title here? I have no clue. Do I think he will be successful here? I don't know. But I have seen things from him that are encouraging given the situation he inherited in the public relations, organizational and recruiting areas. Golden gets 4 years to prove himself to me.

As for his coaching hires, so far he has done well in that area. Why be negative about any hire to this point? At most, the worst you can say about any hire is that you don't have enough information to judge them one way or the other. This is the stance I take anyway.

 

[CANE1775]

i was not overly thrilled with either the cristobal or coley hires and somewhat less than ecstatic over hurlie brown too. Not sure I am following Golden's hiring decisions of late.

This. The whole "Golden just gets it" meme is premature ejaculation from the pom-pom crowd IMO. He hasn't earned the adulation from his performance on Fall Saturday's. When he get's this team past the point of struggling to beat inferior teams and getting his ****** punched in by better teams, then and only then can we elevate him to worthy status.

I don't particularly care for his impressive rah rah speeches, or his impassioned pleas in the media. The last month hasn't been very good for Golden and coming off two not so good years on the field and I wonder why so many have concluded already that he is the man.

This is an interesting topic all to itself. I understand the "he just gets it" from an organizational standpoint. What he's done to pick up the pieces and try to put them together in the middle of a f'in tornado is impressive on its face. He's a fantastic PR guy and seemingly excellent with respect to having a plan for a culture.

The rest is still to be determined. And, considering he takes so many of his cues from the business world, will ironically be all about the bottom line (wins and losses).

This is definitely a "miss" for Golden, just like NSD was. Thing is, so many get caught up with his speeches that it's hard to sit back and objectively look at the situation. We need to remember that the guy was at Temple, and while he did rebuild that program, rebuilding the University of Miami is a totally different animal. So while others exclusively bash Ice Harris and Luke for their ridiculous rants, I pay attention to Golden saying in an interview the day after NSD that he's only been here two years and he's learning the dynamics of things down here. That right there tells me that while Luke and crew may have been out of line, that Al probably feels like he didn't handle things as best as he could have. It's a process folks, and it's why I CONTINUE to say that it's not fair to expect Golden to accomplish in 4-5 years what took Butch 6 years.

 

[Jpvegas]

LuCane, what do we have to offer to coley and cristobal that they would come here to use and abuse?

Our inherent advantage: our [inside] location. The position of being "the" best option within South Florida.

Say what you will, but being minimal miles away from some of the best talent in the nation is different than coming down here to cherry pick. You build relationships through the interaction afforded by proximity. You think Alabama plucked Cristobal because he's a OLine wizard? They plucked him because he's a strategic move. It's one thing to pull Cristobal or Coley away from FIU or FAU when those schools aren't in direct competition for guys like Ermon Lane. It's another thing altogether to pluck Cristobal from UM (a year in advance) and have that as part of the message.


I've always claimed that Miami should be a stepping stone for coaches. A platform of sorts. Come here. Cut your teeth. Put in the work into the program and then launch into a bigger and better position. The problem becomes when coaches get the benefit of that deal without a benefit flowing to UM.

Totally agree that Bama isnt paying him for his OL expertise. They took the last OL coach because he knows the area n now they want Mario because he knows the area. The AHC title is just to justify his pay. This is why this is such a horrible move by Mario IMO. Goes to the school he played for n leaves after a month to recruit against them. I know the whole argument about more pay m better job. But dont talk like this is a dream place to coach n leave the next month. A-hole move.

Canesport reporting that its not a done deal w Mario to Bama. U hearing different?

 

[Cuse2Miami26]

Nick Saban is getting his So Fl recruiter and Cristobal is sacrificing a relationship with his alma mater for a resume padder. You make choices and move on.

Cristobal is one of them now so good luck and dont let the door hit u on the *** on the way out

 

[bomb]

How long does the board expect him to be in this program?

Stop panicking for page views. Wrong day for this ****. Coley came home for an opportunity and less money. If he leaves, he leaves, but I think it will be for a HC position, and if so, I wish him well.

 

[The Franchise]

What is the theory here regarding Coley's involvement?

They were friends for along time so obviously Coley is an FSU mole who will ruin our program from within.

I don't have a specific theory re: Coley and Cristobal's departure. What I have is a theory that these guys were/are here to use and abuse.

Please expound. So who would benefit? FSU and Bama?

They are/were here to benefit themselves at the expense of the University of Miami. This is distinguished from other coaches who may come here (or to any program) for a mutual benefit.

Did you express this opinion on either Coley or Fredo before this mess with Fredo? Or are you indicting Coley based on Fredo's crime?

I'm skeptical of Coley until he proves he can call plays. And I have an innate distrust of ufagg'ers and fsu honks. I don't know how you turn that switch off after hammering UM so hard for so long on the recruiting trail.

 

[LuCane]

They were friends for along time so obviously Coley is an FSU mole who will ruin our program from within.

I don't have a specific theory re: Coley and Cristobal's departure. What I have is a theory that these guys were/are here to use and abuse.

Please expound. So who would benefit? FSU and Bama?

They are/were here to benefit themselves at the expense of the University of Miami. This is distinguished from other coaches who may come here (or to any program) for a mutual benefit.

Did you express this opinion on either Coley or Fredo before this mess with Fredo? Or are you indicting Coley based on Fredo's crime?

I'm skeptical of Coley until he proves he can call plays. And I have an innate distrust of ufagg'ers and fsu honks. I don't know how you turn that switch off after hammering UM so hard for so long on the recruiting trail.

I've expressed that opinion about Coley from the jump. I hope he does something to show us otherwise. I'll pray it works out. I'm simply cautious because I know his ambitions.

Cristobal caught me off guard. Even staunch Cristobal supporters down here are saying "**** him."

 

[IHATETHISPLACE]

Coley will leave in 2 OR 3 years. Either he is kicked to the curb because he sucks or he leaves for a better job because he flourished

 

[The Franchise]

I don't have a specific theory re: Coley and Cristobal's departure. What I have is a theory that these guys were/are here to use and abuse.

Please expound. So who would benefit? FSU and Bama?

They are/were here to benefit themselves at the expense of the University of Miami. This is distinguished from other coaches who may come here (or to any program) for a mutual benefit.

Did you express this opinion on either Coley or Fredo before this mess with Fredo? Or are you indicting Coley based on Fredo's crime?

I'm skeptical of Coley until he proves he can call plays. And I have an innate distrust of ufagg'ers and fsu honks. I don't know how you turn that switch off after hammering UM so hard for so long on the recruiting trail.

I've expressed that opinion about Coley from the jump. I hope he does something to show us otherwise. I'll pray it works out. I'm simply cautious because I know his ambitions.

Cristobal caught me off guard. Even staunch Cristobal supporters down here are saying "**** him."

What are his ambitions? If they are to be a HC, then that's pretty much the same as any corch. And the only way he'll likely get to that goal is doing well here. I'll take that. I'll never have a problem with guys doing a great job here and then moving on to be HC. If his ambitions are something different, tell us.

As for Fredo, it caught me completely by surprise too. Never saw that coming.

 

[fincane]

I look at Coley alot like Kingsbury when he was at A&M. Its a job. Its about career advancement. No more. No less. Loyalty shouldn't be expected. Kingsbury never wanted to wear the Aggie colors because he was a Tech guy. They had to force him to wear anything with the A&M logo. Tried to stay as far away from maroon as possible. Coley in his two public appearance wore a simple black shirt. At a BBall game. And during the NSD special. Haven't seen him wear the orange and green once or anything with a Miami or the "U" logo. Maybe his stuff didn't come in? Whatever.

 

[LuCane]

Please expound. So who would benefit? FSU and Bama?

They are/were here to benefit themselves at the expense of the University of Miami. This is distinguished from other coaches who may come here (or to any program) for a mutual benefit.

Did you express this opinion on either Coley or Fredo before this mess with Fredo? Or are you indicting Coley based on Fredo's crime?

I'm skeptical of Coley until he proves he can call plays. And I have an innate distrust of ufagg'ers and fsu honks. I don't know how you turn that switch off after hammering UM so hard for so long on the recruiting trail.

I've expressed that opinion about Coley from the jump. I hope he does something to show us otherwise. I'll pray it works out. I'm simply cautious because I know his ambitions.

Cristobal caught me off guard. Even staunch Cristobal supporters down here are saying "**** him."

What are his ambitions? If they are to be a HC, then that's pretty much the same as any corch. And the only way he'll likely get to that goal is doing well here. I'll take that. I'll never have a problem with guys doing a great job here and then moving on to be HC. If his ambitions are something different, tell us.

As for Fredo, it caught me completely by surprise too. Never saw that coming.

To move quickly. Even if it means a mid-teir HC job.

 

[The Franchise]

They are/were here to benefit themselves at the expense of the University of Miami. This is distinguished from other coaches who may come here (or to any program) for a mutual benefit.

Did you express this opinion on either Coley or Fredo before this mess with Fredo? Or are you indicting Coley based on Fredo's crime?

I'm skeptical of Coley until he proves he can call plays. And I have an innate distrust of ufagg'ers and fsu honks. I don't know how you turn that switch off after hammering UM so hard for so long on the recruiting trail.

I've expressed that opinion about Coley from the jump. I hope he does something to show us otherwise. I'll pray it works out. I'm simply cautious because I know his ambitions.

Cristobal caught me off guard. Even staunch Cristobal supporters down here are saying "**** him."

What are his ambitions? If they are to be a HC, then that's pretty much the same as any corch. And the only way he'll likely get to that goal is doing well here. I'll take that. I'll never have a problem with guys doing a great job here and then moving on to be HC. If his ambitions are something different, tell us.

As for Fredo, it caught me completely by surprise too. Never saw that coming.

To move quickly. Even if it means a mid-teir HC job.

Wouldn't be shocked at that at all and wouldn't expect anything else from any other corch. Coley wouldn't be unique in that sort of move or goal. Alabama lost its OC to a HC gig at sorry as Colorado State.