Jake Garcia

[jps2344]

There have been worse. We've seen Spencer Whipple and Tate Martell attempt passes in conference games.

At least Spencer had a reason to be here. To add to it, he attempted a dozen passes per his career stats. Looked up Martell and he was 1 for 1 passing.

Kirby Freeman was in a starting battle to lead the program and attempted almost 200 passes with a close to 10% INT percentage.

There’s no comparison.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

The mess which was the program did not help them, there’s no doubt with that. Wright had some red flags as far as maturity and prep went. The tenor of the locker room and program did nothing to help him. On the opposite note he did nothing to move things forward for the program. There was little to no mutual benefit between the two parties. Easy to say though he could and would have been much better if he didn’t have to be the guy. Nice kid, just isn’t part of his make up.

Freeman is completely different. He was the epitome of what in baseball we call a five o’clock hitter, aka a BP star who shuts down when the lights come on. He was athletic and showed some stuff during the week. Saturday came and it was all over the overwhelming majority of the time.

Two massive missed evals who were the wrong guys at the wrong time.

Kyle Wright wasn’t a missed eval. He was the #1 overall prospect, Gatorade player of the year, etc. I’ve even heard Larry Blustein somewhat recently double down on his own HS eval and say KW was one of the best he ever saw coming out of high school. KW failed because of failed development, program crumbling, coaching turnover, AND because he was weak mentally, couldn’t handle the pressure nor the competition. I look back at that time period with real sadness as it marks the end of winning culture at UM.

 

[jps2344]

Kyle Wright wasn’t a missed eval. He was the #1 overall prospect, Gatorade player of the year, etc. I’ve even heard Larry Blustein somewhat recently double down on his own HS eval and say KW was one of the best he ever saw coming out of high school. KW failed because of failed development, program crumbling, coaching turnover, AND because he was weak mentally, couldn’t handle the pressure nor the competition. I look back at that time period with real sadness as it marks the end of winning culture at UM.

He was a missed eval.

Physical tools were there no doubt, I don’t disagree. There were red flags this was not going to work.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

He was a missed eval.

Physical tools were there no doubt, I don’t disagree. There were red flags this was not going to work.

False. Playing the result and claiming it as a missed eval does not make it a missed eval.

Care to share those red flags? I assume you’re not talking about the old Soviet flag or the Chinese flag.

 

[jps2344]

False. Playing the result and claiming it as a missed eval does not make it a missed eval.

Care to share those red flags? I assume you’re not talking about the old Soviet flag or the Chinese flag.

Not false. He 100% would have transferred under today’s rules and structure. I said this was not the proper fit which impacted his performance. Both parties are responsible for that.

Somehow you’re associating eval solely with physical tools. If that were the sole barometer there’d be no diamonds in the rough and no misses.

The only specifics I’ve aired here involve staff and administration, specifically when it came to changes in the program. I stick to that as they are seasoned adults getting paid and deserve all the accolades and ridicule one can impart.

Read between the lines with what’s been mentioned about him and I’ll leave it at that. The staff missed, which is their fault, and it turned out a negative for the program and even worse for Wright. I believe he would have benefited greatly from staying farther West or going to a place where he wasn’t seen as the guy when he stepped on campus.

 

[JamesQuall]

False. Playing the result and claiming it as a missed eval does not make it a missed eval.

Care to share those red flags? I assume you’re not talking about the old Soviet flag or the Chinese flag.

That was his biggest problem. The big red Soviet flag. He wanted to share the ball with everyone including the other team.

He was the biggest God **** commie *******!

 

[GojiraCane]

The mess which was the program did not help them, there’s no doubt with that. Wright had some red flags as far as maturity and prep went. The tenor of the locker room and program did nothing to help him. On the opposite note he did nothing to move things forward for the program. There was little to no mutual benefit between the two parties. Easy to say though he could and would have been much better if he didn’t have to be the guy. Nice kid, just isn’t part of his make up.

Freeman is completely different. He was the epitome of what in baseball we call a five o’clock hitter, aka a BP star who shuts down when the lights come on. He was athletic and showed some stuff during the week. Saturday came and it was all over the overwhelming majority of the time.

Two massive missed evals who were the wrong guys at the wrong time.

And unfortunately our only options, really. Looking at the quarterbacks from 2001 - 2006:

2001: Buck Ortega (converted to tight end)
2002: Brock Berlin (transfer)
2003: Kyle Wright (4 star)
2004: Kirby Freeman (4 star)
2005: I believe he had one lined up who flipped his commitment late
2006: Had Pat Devlin who flipped his commitment late. Got Steagall, who went to baseball afterwards

 

[jps2344]

And unfortunately our only options, really. Looking at the quarterbacks from 2001 - 2006:

2001: Buck Ortega (converted to tight end)
2002: Brock Berlin (transfer)
2003: Kyle Wright (4 star)
2004: Kirby Freeman (4 star)
2005: I believe he had one lined up who flipped his commitment late
2006: Had Pat Devlin who flipped his commitment late. Got Steagall, who went to baseball afterwards

Nice citation. Tough times no doubt.

 

[Shogun]

Kyle Wright wasn’t a missed eval. He was the #1 overall prospect, Gatorade player of the year, etc. I’ve even heard Larry Blustein somewhat recently double down on his own HS eval and say KW was one of the best he ever saw coming out of high school. KW failed because of failed development, program crumbling, coaching turnover, AND because he was weak mentally, couldn’t handle the pressure nor the competition. I look back at that time period with real sadness as it marks the end of winning culture at UM.

Well said. I remember driving in the car and hearing that Brock Berlin transferred to Miami and I thought with Brock taking over for Dorsey and KW next up, we were set for the next four years....I also thought the 2004 class was going to be the class that really kept it going...what a disappointment and that was the start of the decline.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

Not false. He 100% would have transferred under today’s rules and structure. I said this was not the proper fit which impacted his performance. Both parties are responsible for that.

Somehow you’re associating eval solely with physical tools. If that were the sole barometer there’d be no diamonds in the rough and no misses.

The only specifics I’ve aired here involve staff and administration, specifically when it came to changes in the program. I stick to that as they are seasoned adults getting paid and deserve all the accolades and ridicule one can impart.

Read between the lines with what’s been mentioned about him and I’ll leave it at that. The staff missed, which is their fault, and it turned out a negative for the program and even worse for Wright. I believe he would have benefited greatly from staying farther West or going to a place where he wasn’t seen as the guy when he stepped on campus.

You can tell what I’m thinking?? I’m only considering physical? I guess you skipped the part where I mentioned him being weak mentally. How do you find that out before working with someone? He was recruited by every program in America including Pete Carroll at USC. I know this because his dad told me this to my face during one of the many tailgates I was at with him.

Today’s rules didn’t apply 20 years ago. You’ve told me nothing other than he was a missed eval. “Read between the lines?” No. How about grow a pair and spill something? Your user name makes you essentially anonymous. But the fact is, you have no info to share, so you repeat hazy phrases to keep your false theory going.

 

[Stats02]

He did beat FSU though. Gotta count for something.

People forget Freeman was awful that game and almost single handedly cost us the game. He had a few turnovers and completed only 4 passes the entire game. I think two of the completions were on the game winning drive, but he was absolutely horrendous that game.

FSU was trying to give us the game with all their turnovers and horrible play and Kirby kept trying to one-up them.

 

[Badbart43]

Well said. I remember driving in the car and hearing that Brock Berlin transferred to Miami and I thought with Brock taking over for Dorsey and KW next up, we were set for the next four years....I also thought the 2004 class was going to be the class that really kept it going...what a disappointment and that was the start of the decline.

Problem was Coker. He was the perfect guy for that ONE year after Butch left us high and dry. But he was only the perfect guy for that ONE magical year. Long term not a good coach.

 

[Juancane]

And unfortunately our only options, really. Looking at the quarterbacks from 2001 - 2006:

2001: Buck Ortega (converted to tight end)
2002: Brock Berlin (transfer)
2003: Kyle Wright (4 star)
2004: Kirby Freeman (4 star)
2005: I believe he had one lined up who flipped his commitment late
2006: Had Pat Devlin who flipped his commitment late. Got Steagall, who went to baseball afterwards

Holy **** do we deserve this year. We crawled through more **** than Andy Dufresne the last 20 years.

 

[jps2344]

You can tell what I’m thinking?? I’m only considering physical? I guess you skipped the part where I mentioned him being weak mentally. How do you find that out before working with someone? He was recruited by every program in America including Pete Carroll at USC. I know this because his dad told me this to my face during one of the many tailgates I was at with him.

Today’s rules didn’t apply 20 years ago. You’ve told me nothing other than he was a missed eval. “Read between the lines?” No. How about grow a pair and spill something? Your user name makes you essentially anonymous. But the fact is, you have no info to share, so you repeat hazy phrases to keep your false theory going.

No false theory. There’s a million plus reasons…why he ended up here and not somewhere else. Not sure if that was related to you during your family discussions but that’s a fact. The staff was not capable of developing and supporting someone with his personality and make up. Especially when a cross country move was added to the mix. It was a missed eval. Not Wright’s fault, but the staff’s fault.

The pair I unfortunately sit on are large and very clean my friend. Most importantly I don’t just go and bust them for everyone, people like yourself in particular.

You feel comfortable airing dirty laundry and short comings of 18, 19, and 20 year olds who had little to no options to leave or change where they were? You go for it.

I’ll just keep sitting where I sit pal. It’s good to be me.

 

[bandhammer]

Kyle Wright wasn’t a missed eval. He was the #1 overall prospect, Gatorade player of the year, etc. I’ve even heard Larry Blustein somewhat recently double down on his own HS eval and say KW was one of the best he ever saw coming out of high school. KW failed because of failed development, program crumbling, coaching turnover, AND because he was weak mentally, couldn’t handle the pressure nor the competition. I look back at that time period with real sadness as it marks the end of winning culture at UM.

But if he was at Alabama (or USC at that time), he would have never seen the field and noone would have ever been talking about him being a bust. It's no different than when half the 5 star wide receiver guys go to Ohio State and become busts while Harrison, Smith, etc ball out.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

No false theory. There’s a million plus reasons…why he ended up here and not somewhere else. Not sure if that was related to you during your family discussions but that’s a fact. The staff was not capable of developing and supporting someone with his personality and make up. Especially when a cross country move was added to the mix. It was a missed eval. Not Wright’s fault, but the staff’s fault.

The pair I unfortunately sit on are large and very clean my friend. Most importantly I don’t just go and bust them for everyone, people like yourself in particular.

You feel comfortable airing dirty laundry and short comings of 18, 19, and 20 year olds who had little to no options to leave or change where they were? You go for it.

I’ll just keep sitting where I sit pal. It’s good to be me.

You’re a tool. My psycho ex-girlfriend can argue more coherently than you.

 

[BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati]

But if he was at Alabama (or USC at that time), he would have never seen the field and noone would have ever been talking about him being a bust. It's no different than when half the 5 star wide receiver guys go to Ohio State and become busts while Harrison, Smith, etc ball out.

You don’t know that. Maybe he would’ve beaten out Matt Leinart? Maybe not. We don’t have time machines. It’s an unknown.

 

[bandhammer]

People forget Freeman was awful that game and almost single handedly cost us the game. He had a few turnovers and completed only 4 passes the entire game. I think two of the completions were on the game winning drive, but he was absolutely horrendous that game.

FSU was trying to give us the game with all their turnovers and horrible play and Kirby kept trying to one-up them.

Wright played most of the game. Got knocked out, and actually came back in for the 2 point conversion on one leg after Freeman got drilled on the touchdown pass to Epps. The first conversion of the drive to keep it going was to Sam Shields in triple coverage. The game could have easily ended there.

 

[bandhammer]

You don’t know that. Maybe he would’ve beaten out Matt Leinart? Maybe not. We don’t have time machines. It’s an unknown.

Maybe Malachi Nelson would have beaten out Caleb Williams and Miller Moss too. What we do know is, he wasn't good enough to beat out Brock while here and Brock had plenty of issues.

 

[Pentagon Cane]

The mess which was the program did not help them, there’s no doubt with that. Wright had some red flags as far as maturity and prep went. The tenor of the locker room and program did nothing to help him. On the opposite note he did nothing to move things forward for the program. There was little to no mutual benefit between the two parties. Easy to say though he could and would have been much better if he didn’t have to be the guy. Nice kid, just isn’t part of his make up.

Freeman is completely different. He was the epitome of what in baseball we call a five o’clock hitter, aka a BP star who shuts down when the lights come on. He was athletic and showed some stuff during the week. Saturday came and it was all over the overwhelming majority of the time.

Two massive missed evals who were the wrong guys at the wrong time.

Werner did a decent job with Wright in 95. Coker threw him under the bus and brought in Olson. Then Randy brought in Nix. Nobody could survive Olson and Nix.

Freeman started in Baylor's opener. He was bench after a quarter and a half. He was that bad. Of course he was replaced by RGIII and he never played again.