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No_Fly_Zone said:
I've seen something like this posted a few times and I can't fully get behind it. Although I agree the increased reps will be valuable for all of the QBs from a development standpoint, I'm not convinced those reps will help this staff better evaluate what they have in the room.

We spent most of the 2024 off-season hearing about how Emory had been so impressive in practices and decidedly won the QB2 job (a couple of insiders disagreed with the team's assessment, but the team's assessment rang out). As the season was winding down, we even heard Emory may be given a chance to compete for QB1 in 2025. Then the Pop Tarts Bowl happened and it was clear as day those practice evaluations of Emory were off base.

Now it's the 2025 off-season and we are hoping the same offensive staff will make informed decisions at QB based on practice performance. But, unless the team is drastically changing how they practice/scrimmage, why should we expect them to accurately rate/rank the talent in the room?
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Well lets make sure we are being fair of this assessment...

"We spent most of the 2024 off-season hearing about how Emory had been so impressive in practices and decidedly won the QB2 job"
...Who was Emory competing against exactly? Poff left, as we all though he would. Apparently Judd has not shown the staff that he was ready, and far enough behind Emory.

"As the season was winding down, we even heard Emory may be given a chance to compete for QB1 in 2025."
...Same as before, what we all feel like we have a talented freshman coming in, but that is yet to be seen just how talented. So competing for QB1 in 2025 was actually a pretty fair assessment. What he was actually going to be capable of was a mystery as well.. and that's where the Pop Tarts Bowl came into play.

I wouldn't say the offensive staff made the wrong assessment, considering what we had to work with. But after the sample size of Emory, it wasnt hard to see that we needed help, from their viewpoint or ours.
 
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No_Fly_Zone said:
I've seen something like this posted a few times and I can't fully get behind it. Although I agree the increased reps will be valuable for all of the QBs from a development standpoint, I'm not convinced those reps will help this staff better evaluate what they have in the room.

We spent most of the 2024 off-season hearing about how Emory had been so impressive in practices and decidedly won the QB2 job (a couple of insiders disagreed with the team's assessment, but the team's assessment rang out). As the season was winding down, we even heard Emory may be given a chance to compete for QB1 in 2025. Then the Pop Tarts Bowl happened and it was clear as day those practice evaluations of Emory were off base.

Now it's the 2025 off-season and we are hoping the same offensive staff will make informed decisions at QB based on practice performance. But, unless the team is drastically changing how they practice/scrimmage, why should we expect them to accurately rate/rank the talent in the room?
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Losing Emory and Judd would be meaningless. We could easily grab another talentless QB3 in the spring to run scout team.
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
I've seen something like this posted a few times and I can't fully get behind it. Although I agree the increased reps will be valuable for all of the QBs from a development standpoint, I'm not convinced those reps will help this staff better evaluate what they have in the room.

We spent most of the 2024 off-season hearing about how Emory had been so impressive in practices and decidedly won the QB2 job (a couple of insiders disagreed with the team's assessment, but the team's assessment rang out). As the season was winding down, we even heard Emory may be given a chance to compete for QB1 in 2025. Then the Pop Tarts Bowl happened and it was clear as day those practice evaluations of Emory were off base.

Now it's the 2025 off-season and we are hoping the same offensive staff will make informed decisions at QB based on practice performance. But, unless the team is drastically changing how they practice/scrimmage, why should we expect them to accurately rate/rank the talent in the room?
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The difference is all 3 QBs will get reps with the 1's and 2's in practices and scrimmages. What other ways would there be to evaluate them? Just because Emory didn't perform well in bowl game doesn't mean he didn't win QB2 over Poff. However, based on the bowl game, I was shocked how little Emory had improved. Even more shocking was the limited playbook he had until they had to take the training wheels off to try to win the game. By that time, it was too late. It's really shocking that Dawson didn't have him ready.

As I stated, the pecking order of spring could wreck the QB room. There could be 2 leaving after the Spring Semester leaving only 2 scholarship QBs.
 
S.CarolinaCane said:
Well lets make sure we are being fair of this assessment...

"We spent most of the 2024 off-season hearing about how Emory had been so impressive in practices and decidedly won the QB2 job"
...Who was Emory competing against exactly? Poff left, as we all though he would. Apparently Judd has not shown the staff that he was ready, and far enough behind Emory.

"As the season was winding down, we even heard Emory may be given a chance to compete for QB1 in 2025."
...Same as before, what we all feel like we have a talented freshman coming in, but that is yet to be seen just how talented. So competing for QB1 in 2025 was actually a pretty fair assessment. What he was actually going to be capable of was a mystery as well.. and that's where the Pop Tarts Bowl came into play.

I wouldn't say the offensive staff made the wrong assessment, considering what we had to work with. But after the sample size of Emory, it wasnt hard to see that we needed help, from their viewpoint or ours.
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Did Poff leave (after the season) because Emory was a better QB, or did Poff leave because he was behind Emory on the depth chart? There were some insiders saying Poff was better than Emory even after watching them both in practice. Maybe they were right all along. Either way, watching Emory in December casts some doubt. As for Judd, I don't think he's been viewed as much more than a developmental project, and I expect Nickel will pass him up in short order, too.

As for 2025, you are limiting the comparison to QBs on the roster. In the world of NIL and the transfer portal, that's a strawman argument. And it ignores the greater point: this staff was talking up Emory right up until he absolutely **** the bed at the PopTart Bowl. I.,e., the staff clearly thought highly of Emory (based on what they saw in practices and during the off season) right up until they saw him play in the game. I vaguely recall D$ saying he liked Mendoza as a QB to bring in during the off-season, but strongly implying the coaches had Emory and Mendoza at a very similar tier of QB... at least right up until the bowl game.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
The difference is all 3 QBs will get reps with the 1's and 2's in practices and scrimmages. What other ways would there be to evaluate them? Just because Emory didn't perform well in bowl game doesn't mean he didn't win QB2 over Poff. However, based on the bowl game, I was shocked how little Emory had improved. Even more shocking was the limited playbook he had until they had to take the training wheels off to try to win the game. By that time, it was too late. It's really shocking that Dawson didn't have him ready.

As I stated, the pecking order of spring could wreck the QB room. There could be 2 leaving after the Spring Semester leaving only 2 scholarship QBs.
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Their is no room. We have a starter and a true freshmen with 2 walkons.
 
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canecrazy23 said:
Luke will start and Coleman will shirt to put some separation between them.
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LOL. I'm not anoting any kid to QB1 based on high school. They have to prove it on Greetree. I know Coleman believes he can win QB1 as a freshman. The competition should be good. The problem is what other QBs are going to stick around? If Luke is QB2 in 2025, Judd and Emory are likely gone. I don't see Nickel and Coleman in the same QB room for more than 1 season. Coleman could redshirt, but why would he stay for 2027 to be a backup to Nickel? Coleman is not going to sit 2-3 years waiting to get on the field. The kid is too talented. I think Coleman has the best arm talent. He throws very similar to Cam Ward. A quick effortless ball with a lot of zip behind it. Competition will elevate the position. We'll have a great QB whoever wins out.
 
Number1CanesFan said:
LOL. I'm not anoting any kid to QB1 based on high school. They have to prove it on Greetree. I know Coleman believes he can win QB1 as a freshman. The competition should be good. The problem is what other QBs are going to stick around? If Luke is QB2 in 2025, Judd and Emory are likely gone. I don't see Nickel and Coleman in the same QB room for more than 1 season. Coleman could redshirt, but why would he stay for 2027 to be a backup to Nickel? Coleman is not going to sit 2-3 years waiting to get on the field. The kid is too talented. I think Coleman has the best arm talent. He throws very similar to Cam Ward. A quick effortless ball with a lot of zip behind it. Competition will elevate the position. We'll have a great QB whoever wins out.
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Well Nickel will have a whole Spring and season under Dawson to learn the offense. He will be light years ahead of Coleman so yeah I'm anointing him. Plus after watching the American Herritage game where Toney (Yes our WR commit) looked better than Coleman I think it's safe to say he will need time.
 
canecrazy23 said:
Well Nickel will have a whole Spring and season under Dawson to learn the offense. He will be light years ahead of Coleman so yeah I'm anointing him. Plus after watching the American Herritage game where Toney (Yes our WR commit) looked better than Coleman I think it's safe to say he will need time.
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Light years? Nah. I don't have a favorite, but I think Coleman has some special gifts the way he throws the ball.

I really wish people would look at film over a sustained period of time and not give blanket takes on 1 game.

Both are outstanding at the high school level. It will be interesting to watch the growth and competition between the the two. The winner will be Miami.
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
Light years? Nah. I don't have a favorite, but I think Coleman has some special gifts the way he throws the ball.

I really wish people would look at film over a sustained period of time and not give blanket takes on 1 game.

Both are outstanding at the high school level. It will be interesting to watch the growth and competition between the the two. The winner will be Miami.
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I've watched a ton of games on both and yeah Nickel is way ahead. But I'm not a coach so my opinion doesn't mean squat.
 
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TheEye said:
Is this still about Jaden Rashada?
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S.CarolinaCane said:
Well lets make sure we are being fair of this assessment...

"We spent most of the 2024 off-season hearing about how Emory had been so impressive in practices and decidedly won the QB2 job"
...Who was Emory competing against exactly? Poff left, as we all though he would. Apparently Judd has not shown the staff that he was ready, and far enough behind Emory.

"As the season was winding down, we even heard Emory may be given a chance to compete for QB1 in 2025."
...Same as before, what we all feel like we have a talented freshman coming in, but that is yet to be seen just how talented. So competing for QB1 in 2025 was actually a pretty fair assessment. What he was actually going to be capable of was a mystery as well.. and that's where the Pop Tarts Bowl came into play.

I wouldn't say the offensive staff made the wrong assessment, considering what we had to work with. But after the sample size of Emory, it wasnt hard to see that we needed help, from their viewpoint or ours.
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Get ready to hear that Emory is the “clear #2” QB in the spring and throughout camp. Luke will “show flashes” and all the buzz words, but Emory’s “command of the offense” will make him the clear cut backup.
 
Gotta think the coaches will be more guarded in their praise of Emory after that bowl game.

Looking back, however good Emory looked in practice was less about him and MUCH MUCH more about how awful our defense was and that’s based off what we saw of the 1st stringers.

Think Nickel is going to be given every opportunity to take the QB2 and get some snaps in 25. He starts in 26 and Coleman shirts. Judd or Emory serves as the backup. That’s got to be the ideal plan.

If not, we are going to walk ourselves into a corner where we have to go portal shopping again and then who knows what happens.
 
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passitback said:
I was being nice about JR, lol.

Deep down, I think we are going to hit the portal again next season. And I'm fine with that.

It's possible Luke emerges as QB2, gets some run this season, and is ready to lead us as QB1 in 2026. I just don't know how probable it is. Gonna have to see it, because we all know how tough it is to come in and ball out as a true freshman.

Mario gets paid millions to manage the roster, so I'll let him and the staff worry about attrition.

I do not think Luke's performance will impact the room as much as you think it may. But, that's just my opinion. I can definitely see Judd and or Emory leaving if they don't beat out Luke, though.

Lot's of time, so let's see how things shake out.
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You made contradiction. You said you didn't think Luke's performance will impact the room, but then go on to say if Luke wins QB2, Emory and/or Judd likely transfer. That would be a big impact, which is exactly what I said. Am I missing something?
 
No_Fly_Zone said:
Did Poff leave (after the season) because Emory was a better QB, or did Poff leave because he was behind Emory on the depth chart? There were some insiders saying Poff was better than Emory even after watching them both in practice. Maybe they were right all along. Either way, watching Emory in December casts some doubt. As for Judd, I don't think he's been viewed as much more than a developmental project, and I expect Nickel will pass him up in short order, too.

As for 2025, you are limiting the comparison to QBs on the roster. In the world of NIL and the transfer portal, that's a strawman argument. And it ignores the greater point: this staff was talking up Emory right up until he absolutely **** the bed at the PopTart Bowl. I.,e., the staff clearly thought highly of Emory (based on what they saw in practices and during the off season) right up until they saw him play in the game. I vaguely recall D$ saying he liked Mendoza as a QB to bring in during the off-season, but strongly implying the coaches had Emory and Mendoza at a very similar tier of QB... at least right up until the bowl game.
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Dawson has completely confused me on Emory. There was no complete trust in him as Dawson gave him the same basic short screen passes he did as a freshman. In the 4th quarter, Emory was forced into downfield passing and looked uncomfortable. How was that kid not ready after 2 years in the program? The passing plays didn't make sense. This is on Dawson as much as it is Emory.
 
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