Is the glass half-full, or half-empty?

I think the truth, in almost all aspects of life, usually lies somewhere in the middle. But I do think there are very valid discussion points if you wanted to go full, 100% sunshine pumper or full, 100% mope. So, as we close the regular season in 2024, and year 3 of Mario's regime, where do you stand in terms of this season, and the direction of the program? I tried to lay out some bullet points as far as what I feel would be optimism and pessimism around the program. So what do you think? Is the glass half-full, or half-empty?

Because I try to be an optimistic person in life (being miserable and negative all the time is legitimately bad for your health, by the way), let's start there:

- We finished the season 10-2. Bottom line, many people say you are what your record says you are, so we are 10-2. Mario won 5 games in Year 1, 7 games in Year 2, and 10 games in Year 3. That is CLEAR and obvious progression.

- We absolutely smashed UiF and FSU this year. We had lost to FSU 3 years in a row, one of those years losing 45-3. We beat the 2 of them by a combined score of 77-31, and 14 of those points surrendered with in total garbage time with kids pulled from the stands playing. We have to feel good about being clearly ahead of both of those programs currently, and yes I'm aware of what UiF is doing currently. I don't care. Being in that stadium on 8/31 in the middle of the bull gator section was genuinely one of the best days of my life, and I'll remember it forever.

- The old Bobby Bowden adage when he was building a program was "First you lose big, then you lose small, then you win small, then you win big". In 2022, we lost big. In 2023, we lost small. In 2024, we won small, sort of. 10 wins overall, but pulled some out by the skin of our *** (Cal, VT). Can we parlay this into winning big in 2025?

- We had the #1 offense in America by MANY metrics. One of the mope points about Mario was that he was a QB killer. He "meddled" in the offense (ridiculous, but I digress). He was a caveman. All of those narratives were crushed this season. Cam Ward will be in NYC in 12 days for a Heisman presentation. Our offense was high-flying, big play, anything but "Bro-style". We should be able to convince a very good quarterback to come here, both in HS recruiting and in the portal.

- We have recruited the best back to back classes in program history, or at least close to it, at worst. The close of 2025 is still up in the air, but Mario's 2023 and 2024 classes were EXCELLENT, and we should have a solid backbone of good players going forward.

- Mario's gameday coaching was, to me, very much improved this year. I know the FG decision on Saturday was ridiculed, and likely deservedly so, but I thought he was MUCH more aggressive than ever before. He went for it on 4th and 1 multiple times deep in our own territory, something he'd have NEVER done in his Oregon tenure, no matter what. There were very few completely egregious time management errors like there have been in the past. We still use timeouts at times when we shouldn't, but I didn't think his overall gameday performances were as deplorable as years past. He's never going to be great here, we just need him to not cost us games, and I didn't think he did. Again, for me personally, I like my coaches to be aggressive. If you die with the pedal down, I can live with that. Just don't be clueless or scared. I didn't think he was this year, which was a very welcomed change. He's clearly learning/adapting.

- I thought the overall coaching on offense was very good. Think back to years past, and then this year. We had very few botched snaps, illegal formations, broken plays with guys going the wrong way, confusion, general unpreparedness. Was it 2022 when we had the 2 guys smash into each other in the backfield and they tackles themselves for about a 10 yard loss? That **** is embarrassing. I thought the operation was much more efficient. The kicking game was flawless. Very few pre-snap penalties on offense. We were heavily penalized overall, but I thought most of them were at least aggressive and not braindead (except for how we ended the Syracuse game, with 2 lobotomy patients getting an unsportsmanlike and offsides).

- At the end of the day, the team is significantly better today than it was when he got here. Not good enough, but it's absolutely improved. When we stop improving, I think it's time for panic. We went from 5 to 7 to 10 wins. That's improvement. Now where do we go from here?

I can list a few more things, but I think this is a good overarching, macro start. Let's move on to things that I think we can point to if we want to have pessimism and look at the glass as half-empty

- We still didn't win the ACC, something we've never done in 20 years, and we didn't even make the championship game. Again.

- We lost 2 more games as double-digit favorites, and Mario has now done that 5 times in his career here, more than any other program in America. We are 4-9 in November/December since 2022. This has been a Mario bug-a-boo for a while, losing games as a big favorite, and he did it twice again this year, to GT and Syracuse. Both were one-score games on the road, but the point remains.

- The defense was....holy christ I can't even describe it accurately. The worst we have had here in a LONG time, and is beyond any comprehension. This was a capital F failure, in permanent ink. It starts with Mario...being this devoid of talent, especially in the back 7, in Year 3 is completely unacceptable. But, in line with the same discussion we've had here for YEARS now, yes the talent is not great, but it's certainly better than "worst in the conference", which is absolutely a discussion. So, Mario and his staff failed the talent acquisition piece. And then Guidry and his staff took the talent they do have and completely diarrhea'd in the bed with it. If we just have an average defense, this is likely a 12-0 team. Just average. If you pair the ~50th best defense in America with the #1 offense, you have a really good team. Our defense is markedly worse, and it's going to cause us to waste the best offense we've ever had. Guidry will clearly be fired, and deservedly so. I can't really justify anyone on that side of the ball keeping their jobs, but of course he's not going to fire every single defensive coach. But being THAT bad is absolutely a fireable offense, and Guidry will be packing his bags soon, along with at least 1-2 other coaches on defense.

- Special teams sucked ***, again. Borregales is a pure stud, but we have nobody to return kicks, nobody to return punts, and we can't cover a kickoff to save our lives. Totally unacceptable at a school like this with what should be a roster full of elite athletes. Hire a full-time special teams coach, yesterday.

- More on the defense, and as I lauded the offensive coaching above, I need to blast the defensive preparation. We looked like we didn't even practice on defense in the beginning of games. Way too often we heard "they did something they hadn't shown before". Bull****. How bout we show something we haven't ever shown? Why are we always the one on our heels to start games? Plus the communication in games was beyond dog ****, every single week. Multiple plays every single game where nobody has any idea what they're doing, and the offense has our kid's brains in a blender. Unacceptable.

- We continue to be a punching bag for other teams to do things they've never done in their history. GT has been playing football since the 1800s. They had the 2nd longest drive they've ever had in their history against us. Syracuse has never come from 21 points behind to win a game in their history. They did it to us.

- We went "all-in" on this season, with a multi-million dollar quarterback and a ~$20M roster, and still couldn't win the ACC. We expect to still be a big player in the NIL game, and I trust Mario and his staff to recruit, but this was Year 3, with your nuts on the table from a financial standpoint. And we still didn't get it done.

Overall, to me, all summer I said 10-2 or bust. I started to move really towards 11-1 once the roster finalized and I looked deeply at the schedule. But I had a few goals:

1. Win 10+ games.....check
2. Beat the gator and fsu.....check
3. Win the ACC......nope
4. Make the playoff......likely nope

So, all in all, when I step back and really digest this thing, I'm going to be somewhat torn, I think. I'm happy with the progress. I had a TON of fun the past 3 months. But, we wasted another opportunity, and I'm not entirely sure where we go from here. With recruiting the way it's been, we should have a really talented team next year, and we're going to be aggressive in the portal. But we're going to be hiring a new DC, and that will likely cost us some defensive recruits for this class.

What did I miss? Let me know what you guys think that are making you feel somewhat optimistic and/or pessimistic both about this season, and the future.
You make a lot of good points. Excellent post. Hard to argue with anything really. I agree 100%

The only thing that would somewhat salvage this season from where it is now if we make the playoff somehow and beat ND or someone like that and advance to either quarterfinals or semis. But i realize with our D right now that isn't likely. But i am trying to stay positive and hope for the best. All of us fans want Miami to win of course and we are all rightfully frustrated.

Selfishly I want to see Ward and Restrepo one more game at least and know the playoff is only way. We will find out Tuesday night.
 
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Oh yeah, a first time head coach has the Fighting Lashlee's in the ACC title game, which they will probably win, using our scrub players. Only at Miami do fans consider the glass half full, lol.
It is ironic our only hope is a team of Miami rejects winning a game we were incapable of making ourselves

And our grand prize for that insult would be a playoff spot where we get embarrassed one last time
 
I watch a lot of non UM football. We’re not as far off as some people might want to believe. The best teams aren’t unstoppable juggernauts. Just look at the standings. One team is undefeated. They’ve had multiple close call, one score wins. There are going to be multiple two loss programs in the CFP playoff and quite a few of those losses are what you’d call “bad losses”. Honestly if we had just an average defense, we might be running away with the national championship.

Cam is a generational talent and I can’t help but feel we wasted it this year. But next year’s team can easily compete again with a few changes. We shouldn’t need another Cam but we definitely need a difference maker at QB and we’ve shown that coming to Miami can be a huge boost for a potential transfer quarterback. There are DB holes that can be patched with portal options but the biggest thing for the short term future is Mario’s recruits will be taking over at a lot of positions. We shouldn’t need multiple online or dline transfers to plug holes. It’s time for these blue chip recruits to do their jobs. Same with skill positions on offense and linebackers. If you truly believe that championship programs are built through high school recruiting, then you should feel confident that we’re going to put a quality product on the field next year.
 
It is ironic our only hope is a team of Miami rejects winning a game we were incapable of making ourselves

And our grand prize for that insult would be a playoff spot where we get embarrassed one last time
Imagine if you dare, if Cam Ward was on the Miami Mustangs, they would be favored to win the NC
 
10-2 is a success in a vacuum. But a huge disappointment with how the results actually came on the field. Wish we would’ve just dropped the game to Florida instead of Syracuse in hindsight. But it is what it is.
 
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I think the truth, in almost all aspects of life, usually lies somewhere in the middle. But I do think there are very valid discussion points if you wanted to go full, 100% sunshine pumper or full, 100% mope. So, as we close the regular season in 2024, and year 3 of Mario's regime, where do you stand in terms of this season, and the direction of the program? I tried to lay out some bullet points as far as what I feel would be optimism and pessimism around the program. So what do you think? Is the glass half-full, or half-empty?

Because I try to be an optimistic person in life (being miserable and negative all the time is legitimately bad for your health, by the way), let's start there:

- We finished the season 10-2. Bottom line, many people say you are what your record says you are, so we are 10-2. Mario won 5 games in Year 1, 7 games in Year 2, and 10 games in Year 3. That is CLEAR and obvious progression.

- We absolutely smashed UiF and FSU this year. We had lost to FSU 3 years in a row, one of those years losing 45-3. We beat the 2 of them by a combined score of 77-31, and 14 of those points surrendered with in total garbage time with kids pulled from the stands playing. We have to feel good about being clearly ahead of both of those programs currently, and yes I'm aware of what UiF is doing currently. I don't care. Being in that stadium on 8/31 in the middle of the bull gator section was genuinely one of the best days of my life, and I'll remember it forever.

- The old Bobby Bowden adage when he was building a program was "First you lose big, then you lose small, then you win small, then you win big". In 2022, we lost big. In 2023, we lost small. In 2024, we won small, sort of. 10 wins overall, but pulled some out by the skin of our *** (Cal, VT). Can we parlay this into winning big in 2025?

- We had the #1 offense in America by MANY metrics. One of the mope points about Mario was that he was a QB killer. He "meddled" in the offense (ridiculous, but I digress). He was a caveman. All of those narratives were crushed this season. Cam Ward will be in NYC in 12 days for a Heisman presentation. Our offense was high-flying, big play, anything but "Bro-style". We should be able to convince a very good quarterback to come here, both in HS recruiting and in the portal.

- We have recruited the best back to back classes in program history, or at least close to it, at worst. The close of 2025 is still up in the air, but Mario's 2023 and 2024 classes were EXCELLENT, and we should have a solid backbone of good players going forward.

- Mario's gameday coaching was, to me, very much improved this year. I know the FG decision on Saturday was ridiculed, and likely deservedly so, but I thought he was MUCH more aggressive than ever before. He went for it on 4th and 1 multiple times deep in our own territory, something he'd have NEVER done in his Oregon tenure, no matter what. There were very few completely egregious time management errors like there have been in the past. We still use timeouts at times when we shouldn't, but I didn't think his overall gameday performances were as deplorable as years past. He's never going to be great here, we just need him to not cost us games, and I didn't think he did. Again, for me personally, I like my coaches to be aggressive. If you die with the pedal down, I can live with that. Just don't be clueless or scared. I didn't think he was this year, which was a very welcomed change. He's clearly learning/adapting.

- I thought the overall coaching on offense was very good. Think back to years past, and then this year. We had very few botched snaps, illegal formations, broken plays with guys going the wrong way, confusion, general unpreparedness. Was it 2022 when we had the 2 guys smash into each other in the backfield and they tackles themselves for about a 10 yard loss? That **** is embarrassing. I thought the operation was much more efficient. The kicking game was flawless. Very few pre-snap penalties on offense. We were heavily penalized overall, but I thought most of them were at least aggressive and not braindead (except for how we ended the Syracuse game, with 2 lobotomy patients getting an unsportsmanlike and offsides).

- At the end of the day, the team is significantly better today than it was when he got here. Not good enough, but it's absolutely improved. When we stop improving, I think it's time for panic. We went from 5 to 7 to 10 wins. That's improvement. Now where do we go from here?

I can list a few more things, but I think this is a good overarching, macro start. Let's move on to things that I think we can point to if we want to have pessimism and look at the glass as half-empty

- We still didn't win the ACC, something we've never done in 20 years, and we didn't even make the championship game. Again.

- We lost 2 more games as double-digit favorites, and Mario has now done that 5 times in his career here, more than any other program in America. We are 4-9 in November/December since 2022. This has been a Mario bug-a-boo for a while, losing games as a big favorite, and he did it twice again this year, to GT and Syracuse. Both were one-score games on the road, but the point remains.

- The defense was....holy christ I can't even describe it accurately. The worst we have had here in a LONG time, and is beyond any comprehension. This was a capital F failure, in permanent ink. It starts with Mario...being this devoid of talent, especially in the back 7, in Year 3 is completely unacceptable. But, in line with the same discussion we've had here for YEARS now, yes the talent is not great, but it's certainly better than "worst in the conference", which is absolutely a discussion. So, Mario and his staff failed the talent acquisition piece. And then Guidry and his staff took the talent they do have and completely diarrhea'd in the bed with it. If we just have an average defense, this is likely a 12-0 team. Just average. If you pair the ~50th best defense in America with the #1 offense, you have a really good team. Our defense is markedly worse, and it's going to cause us to waste the best offense we've ever had. Guidry will clearly be fired, and deservedly so. I can't really justify anyone on that side of the ball keeping their jobs, but of course he's not going to fire every single defensive coach. But being THAT bad is absolutely a fireable offense, and Guidry will be packing his bags soon, along with at least 1-2 other coaches on defense.

- Special teams sucked ***, again. Borregales is a pure stud, but we have nobody to return kicks, nobody to return punts, and we can't cover a kickoff to save our lives. Totally unacceptable at a school like this with what should be a roster full of elite athletes. Hire a full-time special teams coach, yesterday.

- More on the defense, and as I lauded the offensive coaching above, I need to blast the defensive preparation. We looked like we didn't even practice on defense in the beginning of games. Way too often we heard "they did something they hadn't shown before". Bull****. How bout we show something we haven't ever shown? Why are we always the one on our heels to start games? Plus the communication in games was beyond dog ****, every single week. Multiple plays every single game where nobody has any idea what they're doing, and the offense has our kid's brains in a blender. Unacceptable.

- We continue to be a punching bag for other teams to do things they've never done in their history. GT has been playing football since the 1800s. They had the 2nd longest drive they've ever had in their history against us. Syracuse has never come from 21 points behind to win a game in their history. They did it to us.

- We went "all-in" on this season, with a multi-million dollar quarterback and a ~$20M roster, and still couldn't win the ACC. We expect to still be a big player in the NIL game, and I trust Mario and his staff to recruit, but this was Year 3, with your nuts on the table from a financial standpoint. And we still didn't get it done.

Overall, to me, all summer I said 10-2 or bust. I started to move really towards 11-1 once the roster finalized and I looked deeply at the schedule. But I had a few goals:

1. Win 10+ games.....check
2. Beat the gator and fsu.....check
3. Win the ACC......nope
4. Make the playoff......likely nope

So, all in all, when I step back and really digest this thing, I'm going to be somewhat torn, I think. I'm happy with the progress. I had a TON of fun the past 3 months. But, we wasted another opportunity, and I'm not entirely sure where we go from here. With recruiting the way it's been, we should have a really talented team next year, and we're going to be aggressive in the portal. But we're going to be hiring a new DC, and that will likely cost us some defensive recruits for this class.

What did I miss? Let me know what you guys think that are making you feel somewhat optimistic and/or pessimistic both about this season, and the future.
I think the truth, in almost all aspects of life, usually lies somewhere in the middle. But I do think there are very valid discussion points if you wanted to go full, 100% sunshine pumper or full, 100% mope. So, as we close the regular season in 2024, and year 3 of Mario's regime, where do you stand in terms of this season, and the direction of the program? I tried to lay out some bullet points as far as what I feel would be optimism and pessimism around the program. So what do you think? Is the glass half-full, or half-empty?

Because I try to be an optimistic person in life (being miserable and negative all the time is legitimately bad for your health, by the way), let's start there:

- We finished the season 10-2. Bottom line, many people say you are what your record says you are, so we are 10-2. Mario won 5 games in Year 1, 7 games in Year 2, and 10 games in Year 3. That is CLEAR and obvious progression.

- We absolutely smashed UiF and FSU this year. We had lost to FSU 3 years in a row, one of those years losing 45-3. We beat the 2 of them by a combined score of 77-31, and 14 of those points surrendered with in total garbage time with kids pulled from the stands playing. We have to feel good about being clearly ahead of both of those programs currently, and yes I'm aware of what UiF is doing currently. I don't care. Being in that stadium on 8/31 in the middle of the bull gator section was genuinely one of the best days of my life, and I'll remember it forever.

- The old Bobby Bowden adage when he was building a program was "First you lose big, then you lose small, then you win small, then you win big". In 2022, we lost big. In 2023, we lost small. In 2024, we won small, sort of. 10 wins overall, but pulled some out by the skin of our *** (Cal, VT). Can we parlay this into winning big in 2025?

- We had the #1 offense in America by MANY metrics. One of the mope points about Mario was that he was a QB killer. He "meddled" in the offense (ridiculous, but I digress). He was a caveman. All of those narratives were crushed this season. Cam Ward will be in NYC in 12 days for a Heisman presentation. Our offense was high-flying, big play, anything but "Bro-style". We should be able to convince a very good quarterback to come here, both in HS recruiting and in the portal.

- We have recruited the best back to back classes in program history, or at least close to it, at worst. The close of 2025 is still up in the air, but Mario's 2023 and 2024 classes were EXCELLENT, and we should have a solid backbone of good players going forward.

- Mario's gameday coaching was, to me, very much improved this year. I know the FG decision on Saturday was ridiculed, and likely deservedly so, but I thought he was MUCH more aggressive than ever before. He went for it on 4th and 1 multiple times deep in our own territory, something he'd have NEVER done in his Oregon tenure, no matter what. There were very few completely egregious time management errors like there have been in the past. We still use timeouts at times when we shouldn't, but I didn't think his overall gameday performances were as deplorable as years past. He's never going to be great here, we just need him to not cost us games, and I didn't think he did. Again, for me personally, I like my coaches to be aggressive. If you die with the pedal down, I can live with that. Just don't be clueless or scared. I didn't think he was this year, which was a very welcomed change. He's clearly learning/adapting.

- I thought the overall coaching on offense was very good. Think back to years past, and then this year. We had very few botched snaps, illegal formations, broken plays with guys going the wrong way, confusion, general unpreparedness. Was it 2022 when we had the 2 guys smash into each other in the backfield and they tackles themselves for about a 10 yard loss? That **** is embarrassing. I thought the operation was much more efficient. The kicking game was flawless. Very few pre-snap penalties on offense. We were heavily penalized overall, but I thought most of them were at least aggressive and not braindead (except for how we ended the Syracuse game, with 2 lobotomy patients getting an unsportsmanlike and offsides).

- At the end of the day, the team is significantly better today than it was when he got here. Not good enough, but it's absolutely improved. When we stop improving, I think it's time for
I think the truth, in almost all aspects of life, usually lies somewhere in the middle. But I do think there are very valid discussion points if you wanted to go full, 100% sunshine pumper or full, 100% mope. So, as we close the regular season in 2024, and year 3 of Mario's regime, where do you stand in terms of this season, and the direction of the program? I tried to lay out some bullet points as far as what I feel would be optimism and pessimism around the program. So what do you think? Is the glass half-full, or half-empty?

Because I try to be an optimistic person in life (being miserable and negative all the time is legitimately bad for your health, by the way), let's start there:

- We finished the season 10-2. Bottom line, many people say you are what your record says you are, so we are 10-2. Mario won 5 games in Year 1, 7 games in Year 2, and 10 games in Year 3. That is CLEAR and obvious progression.

- We absolutely smashed UiF and FSU this year. We had lost to FSU 3 years in a row, one of those years losing 45-3. We beat the 2 of them by a combined score of 77-31, and 14 of those points surrendered with in total garbage time with kids pulled from the stands playing. We have to feel good about being clearly ahead of both of those programs currently, and yes I'm aware of what UiF is doing currently. I don't care. Being in that stadium on 8/31 in the middle of the bull gator section was genuinely one of the best days of my life, and I'll remember it forever.

- The old Bobby Bowden adage when he was building a program was "First you lose big, then you lose small, then you win small, then you win big". In 2022, we lost big. In 2023, we lost small. In 2024, we won small, sort of. 10 wins overall, but pulled some out by the skin of our *** (Cal, VT). Can we parlay this into winning big in 2025?

- We had the #1 offense in America by MANY metrics. One of the mope points about Mario was that he was a QB killer. He "meddled" in the offense (ridiculous, but I digress). He was a caveman. All of those narratives were crushed this season. Cam Ward will be in NYC in 12 days for a Heisman presentation. Our offense was high-flying, big play, anything but "Bro-style". We should be able to convince a very good quarterback to come here, both in HS recruiting and in the portal.

- We have recruited the best back to back classes in program history, or at least close to it, at worst. The close of 2025 is still up in the air, but Mario's 2023 and 2024 classes were EXCELLENT, and we should have a solid backbone of good players going forward.

- Mario's gameday coaching was, to me, very much improved this year. I know the FG decision on Saturday was ridiculed, and likely deservedly so, but I thought he was MUCH more aggressive than ever before. He went for it on 4th and 1 multiple times deep in our own territory, something he'd have NEVER done in his Oregon tenure, no matter what. There were very few completely egregious time management errors like there have been in the past. We still use timeouts at times when we shouldn't, but I didn't think his overall gameday performances were as deplorable as years past. He's never going to be great here, we just need him to not cost us games, and I didn't think he did. Again, for me personally, I like my coaches to be aggressive. If you die with the pedal down, I can live with that. Just don't be clueless or scared. I didn't think he was this year, which was a very welcomed change. He's clearly learning/adapting.

- I thought the overall coaching on offense was very good. Think back to years past, and then this year. We had very few botched snaps, illegal formations, broken plays with guys going the wrong way, confusion, general unpreparedness. Was it 2022 when we had the 2 guys smash into each other in the backfield and they tackles themselves for about a 10 yard loss? That **** is embarrassing. I thought the operation was much more efficient. The kicking game was flawless. Very few pre-snap penalties on offense. We were heavily penalized overall, but I thought most of them were at least aggressive and not braindead (except for how we ended the Syracuse game, with 2 lobotomy patients getting an unsportsmanlike and offsides).

- At the end of the day, the team is significantly better today than it was when he got here. Not good enough, but it's absolutely improved. When we stop improving, I think it's time for panic. We went from 5 to 7 to 10 wins. That's improvement. Now where do we go from here?

I can list a few more things, but I think this is a good overarching, macro start. Let's move on to things that I think we can point to if we want to have pessimism and look at the glass as half-empty

- We still didn't win the ACC, something we've never done in 20 years, and we didn't even make the championship game. Again.

- We lost 2 more games as double-digit favorites, and Mario has now done that 5 times in his career here, more than any other program in America. We are 4-9 in November/December since 2022. This has been a Mario bug-a-boo for a while, losing games as a big favorite, and he did it twice again this year, to GT and Syracuse. Both were one-score games on the road, but the point remains.

- The defense was....holy christ I can't even describe it accurately. The worst we have had here in a LONG time, and is beyond any comprehension. This was a capital F failure, in permanent ink. It starts with Mario...being this devoid of talent, especially in the back 7, in Year 3 is completely unacceptable. But, in line with the same discussion we've had here for YEARS now, yes the talent is not great, but it's certainly better than "worst in the conference", which is absolutely a discussion. So, Mario and his staff failed the talent acquisition piece. And then Guidry and his staff took the talent they do have and completely diarrhea'd in the bed with it. If we just have an average defense, this is likely a 12-0 team. Just average. If you pair the ~50th best defense in America with the #1 offense, you have a really good team. Our defense is markedly worse, and it's going to cause us to waste the best offense we've ever had. Guidry will clearly be fired, and deservedly so. I can't really justify anyone on that side of the ball keeping their jobs, but of course he's not going to fire every single defensive coach. But being THAT bad is absolutely a fireable offense, and Guidry will be packing his bags soon, along with at least 1-2 other coaches on defense.

- Special teams sucked ***, again. Borregales is a pure stud, but we have nobody to return kicks, nobody to return punts, and we can't cover a kickoff to save our lives. Totally unacceptable at a school like this with what should be a roster full of elite athletes. Hire a full-time special teams coach, yesterday.

- More on the defense, and as I lauded the offensive coaching above, I need to blast the defensive preparation. We looked like we didn't even practice on defense in the beginning of games. Way too often we heard "they did something they hadn't shown before". Bull****. How bout we show something we haven't ever shown? Why are we always the one on our heels to start games? Plus the communication in games was beyond dog ****, every single week. Multiple plays every single game where nobody has any idea what they're doing, and the offense has our kid's brains in a blender. Unacceptable.

- We continue to be a punching bag for other teams to do things they've never done in their history. GT has been playing football since the 1800s. They had the 2nd longest drive they've ever had in their history against us. Syracuse has never come from 21 points behind to win a game in their history. They did it to us.

- We went "all-in" on this season, with a multi-million dollar quarterback and a ~$20M roster, and still couldn't win the ACC. We expect to still be a big player in the NIL game, and I trust Mario and his staff to recruit, but this was Year 3, with your nuts on the table from a financial standpoint. And we still didn't get it done.

Overall, to me, all summer I said 10-2 or bust. I started to move really towards 11-1 once the roster finalized and I looked deeply at the schedule. But I had a few goals:

1. Win 10+ games.....check
2. Beat the gator and fsu.....check
3. Win the ACC......nope
4. Make the playoff......likely nope

So, all in all, when I step back and really digest this thing, I'm going to be somewhat torn, I think. I'm happy with the progress. I had a TON of fun the past 3 months. But, we wasted another opportunity, and I'm not entirely sure where we go from here. With recruiting the way it's been, we should have a really talented team next year, and we're going to be aggressive in the portal. But we're going to be hiring a new DC, and that will likely cost us some defensive recruits for this class.

What did I miss? Let me know what you guys think that are making you feel somewhat optimistic and/or pessimistic both about this season, and the future.
It’s tough from an outsiders point of view because I have no idea what the stipulations were for Mario’s hiring or the detailed timelines and results for ROI.

To me things are neither full or empty they’re just half. I prefer objectivity to emotional subjectivity where I can although the viewpoints of this program micro versus macro are justifiably different.

@Cribby had a good analogy, “we’re not the Pirates but we’re not the Dodgers either”. I think investment is still there as it would make little sense to pull out now. But Mario owns evaluations, staff hires, and performance to make up for what we can’t do versus the Texas financial backings of the game.

Can he? That’s the ultimate question.
 
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I think the truth, in almost all aspects of life, usually lies somewhere in the middle. But I do think there are very valid discussion points if you wanted to go full, 100% sunshine pumper or full, 100% mope. So, as we close the regular season in 2024, and year 3 of Mario's regime, where do you stand in terms of this season, and the direction of the program? I tried to lay out some bullet points as far as what I feel would be optimism and pessimism around the program. So what do you think? Is the glass half-full, or half-empty?

Because I try to be an optimistic person in life (being miserable and negative all the time is legitimately bad for your health, by the way), let's start there:

- We finished the season 10-2. Bottom line, many people say you are what your record says you are, so we are 10-2. Mario won 5 games in Year 1, 7 games in Year 2, and 10 games in Year 3. That is CLEAR and obvious progression.

- We absolutely smashed UiF and FSU this year. We had lost to FSU 3 years in a row, one of those years losing 45-3. We beat the 2 of them by a combined score of 77-31, and 14 of those points surrendered with in total garbage time with kids pulled from the stands playing. We have to feel good about being clearly ahead of both of those programs currently, and yes I'm aware of what UiF is doing currently. I don't care. Being in that stadium on 8/31 in the middle of the bull gator section was genuinely one of the best days of my life, and I'll remember it forever.

- The old Bobby Bowden adage when he was building a program was "First you lose big, then you lose small, then you win small, then you win big". In 2022, we lost big. In 2023, we lost small. In 2024, we won small, sort of. 10 wins overall, but pulled some out by the skin of our *** (Cal, VT). Can we parlay this into winning big in 2025?

- We had the #1 offense in America by MANY metrics. One of the mope points about Mario was that he was a QB killer. He "meddled" in the offense (ridiculous, but I digress). He was a caveman. All of those narratives were crushed this season. Cam Ward will be in NYC in 12 days for a Heisman presentation. Our offense was high-flying, big play, anything but "Bro-style". We should be able to convince a very good quarterback to come here, both in HS recruiting and in the portal.

- We have recruited the best back to back classes in program history, or at least close to it, at worst. The close of 2025 is still up in the air, but Mario's 2023 and 2024 classes were EXCELLENT, and we should have a solid backbone of good players going forward.

- Mario's gameday coaching was, to me, very much improved this year. I know the FG decision on Saturday was ridiculed, and likely deservedly so, but I thought he was MUCH more aggressive than ever before. He went for it on 4th and 1 multiple times deep in our own territory, something he'd have NEVER done in his Oregon tenure, no matter what. There were very few completely egregious time management errors like there have been in the past. We still use timeouts at times when we shouldn't, but I didn't think his overall gameday performances were as deplorable as years past. He's never going to be great here, we just need him to not cost us games, and I didn't think he did. Again, for me personally, I like my coaches to be aggressive. If you die with the pedal down, I can live with that. Just don't be clueless or scared. I didn't think he was this year, which was a very welcomed change. He's clearly learning/adapting.

- I thought the overall coaching on offense was very good. Think back to years past, and then this year. We had very few botched snaps, illegal formations, broken plays with guys going the wrong way, confusion, general unpreparedness. Was it 2022 when we had the 2 guys smash into each other in the backfield and they tackles themselves for about a 10 yard loss? That **** is embarrassing. I thought the operation was much more efficient. The kicking game was flawless. Very few pre-snap penalties on offense. We were heavily penalized overall, but I thought most of them were at least aggressive and not braindead (except for how we ended the Syracuse game, with 2 lobotomy patients getting an unsportsmanlike and offsides).

- At the end of the day, the team is significantly better today than it was when he got here. Not good enough, but it's absolutely improved. When we stop improving, I think it's time for panic. We went from 5 to 7 to 10 wins. That's improvement. Now where do we go from here?

I can list a few more things, but I think this is a good overarching, macro start. Let's move on to things that I think we can point to if we want to have pessimism and look at the glass as half-empty

- We still didn't win the ACC, something we've never done in 20 years, and we didn't even make the championship game. Again.

- We lost 2 more games as double-digit favorites, and Mario has now done that 5 times in his career here, more than any other program in America. We are 4-9 in November/December since 2022. This has been a Mario bug-a-boo for a while, losing games as a big favorite, and he did it twice again this year, to GT and Syracuse. Both were one-score games on the road, but the point remains.

- The defense was....holy christ I can't even describe it accurately. The worst we have had here in a LONG time, and is beyond any comprehension. This was a capital F failure, in permanent ink. It starts with Mario...being this devoid of talent, especially in the back 7, in Year 3 is completely unacceptable. But, in line with the same discussion we've had here for YEARS now, yes the talent is not great, but it's certainly better than "worst in the conference", which is absolutely a discussion. So, Mario and his staff failed the talent acquisition piece. And then Guidry and his staff took the talent they do have and completely diarrhea'd in the bed with it. If we just have an average defense, this is likely a 12-0 team. Just average. If you pair the ~50th best defense in America with the #1 offense, you have a really good team. Our defense is markedly worse, and it's going to cause us to waste the best offense we've ever had. Guidry will clearly be fired, and deservedly so. I can't really justify anyone on that side of the ball keeping their jobs, but of course he's not going to fire every single defensive coach. But being THAT bad is absolutely a fireable offense, and Guidry will be packing his bags soon, along with at least 1-2 other coaches on defense.

- Special teams sucked ***, again. Borregales is a pure stud, but we have nobody to return kicks, nobody to return punts, and we can't cover a kickoff to save our lives. Totally unacceptable at a school like this with what should be a roster full of elite athletes. Hire a full-time special teams coach, yesterday.

- More on the defense, and as I lauded the offensive coaching above, I need to blast the defensive preparation. We looked like we didn't even practice on defense in the beginning of games. Way too often we heard "they did something they hadn't shown before". Bull****. How bout we show something we haven't ever shown? Why are we always the one on our heels to start games? Plus the communication in games was beyond dog ****, every single week. Multiple plays every single game where nobody has any idea what they're doing, and the offense has our kid's brains in a blender. Unacceptable.

- We continue to be a punching bag for other teams to do things they've never done in their history. GT has been playing football since the 1800s. They had the 2nd longest drive they've ever had in their history against us. Syracuse has never come from 21 points behind to win a game in their history. They did it to us.

- We went "all-in" on this season, with a multi-million dollar quarterback and a ~$20M roster, and still couldn't win the ACC. We expect to still be a big player in the NIL game, and I trust Mario and his staff to recruit, but this was Year 3, with your nuts on the table from a financial standpoint. And we still didn't get it done.

Overall, to me, all summer I said 10-2 or bust. I started to move really towards 11-1 once the roster finalized and I looked deeply at the schedule. But I had a few goals:

1. Win 10+ games.....check
2. Beat the gator and fsu.....check
3. Win the ACC......nope
4. Make the playoff......likely nope

So, all in all, when I step back and really digest this thing, I'm going to be somewhat torn, I think. I'm happy with the progress. I had a TON of fun the past 3 months. But, we wasted another opportunity, and I'm not entirely sure where we go from here. With recruiting the way it's been, we should have a really talented team next year, and we're going to be aggressive in the portal. But we're going to be hiring a new DC, and that will likely cost us some defensive recruits for this class.

What did I miss? Let me know what you guys think that are making you feel somewhat optimistic and/or pessimistic both about this season, and the future.

have to take a lot of money and find the BEST Safety in the Portal

the BEST CB in the portal

the best LB in the portal

the best DL in the portal

even if it means we go with a QB already committed at Miami (including Nickel)

it's better to have an elite defense with a decent offense

than an elite offense with a horrendous defense!
 
One of the more fascinating behaviors on CIS aside for “cuck boy debates” is watching these made up storylines that randomly pop up and then get spread faster than the gospel.

Case in point “we went all-in and this is a $20 million dollar roster”

No we did not and no it is not.

How do I know we didn’t go “all in”

Because Cam Ward didn’t join this team in the first window. So all the moves we made in the portal were done without Cam Ward in mind.

We didn’t match Smith’s final offer from OSU can’t claim to be all in and let a player like that walk.

We didn’t address DB by adding any big name big money targets that were in the portal.

Can’t be all in not addressing what is clearly one of your biggest weaknesses.

“$20 million dollar roster”….naw look at OSU and look at our roster…the former is what is a $20m dollar roster looks like. It not just a few shiny toys for a year. It’s 4+ years of commitment culminating in a large investment to be “all in” by adding big time pieces and retaining your own talent.

So maybe by Miami standards we “went in”

But if we want to be truely be “all-in”

It’s an annual commitment not just a one time deal.

This is what BIG TIME COLLEGE IS AND REQUIRES.

Look no further than Texas, Texas A&M, UGA and OSU who spend (more than us) like this annually TO GET 10 wins and have a chance at making the playoffs….

3/4 outspend us by a MILE and haven’t even played in the champ game in 4+ years other haven’t even made the playoffs…

And CIS is whinying about gameday coaching and recruits flipping after we finally had a solid season. Haha


“The people who pay for this aren’t getting an ROi”

Anyone who thinks buying football players to play for your favorite collage team is an investment should be placed under guardianship and have their ability to make financial decisions removed.

The boosters at Bama aren’t looking for “rOi” they do it cuz it makes them feel important and like they are apart of the team because they were never going to contribute to progrum on the field, unless it was cleaning jockstraps and laying out uniforms.

That is why they pay Milroe millions of dollars…and if Milroe sucks they aren’t going to “withhold” their money and abandon the team.

They gunna move on from him and pay top dollar for his replacement.

Because they are apart of the progrum not an extension of it.

Anyways back to what is actually “all-in”

Being all in means we don’t ever let a recruiting class slip out of the top 7 EVER PERIOD.

Optics are important and those type of optics ain’t good.

So how do I view this season.

We finally playing big boy football.

I guess time will tell if the powers to be decide how long they want to be there.

Cuz the money they spent this year is literally the BASELINE to get 10 wins.

TLDr: “we finally spent some money and didn’t win a championship. Whhaaaaaannn whhhannnnn”
 
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It’s tough from an outsiders point of view because I have no idea what the stipulations were for Mario’s hiring or the detailed timelines and results for ROI.

To me things are neither full or empty they’re just half. I prefer objectivity to emotional subjectivity where I can although the viewpoints of this program micro versus macro are justifiably different.

@Cribby had a good analogy, “we’re not the Pirates but we’re not the Dodgers either”. I think investment is still there as it would make little sense to pull out now. But Mario owns evaluations, staff hires, and performance to make up for what we can’t do versus the Texas financial backings of the game.

Can he? That’s the ultimate question.
ROi lol.

And pulling out… big time college football boosters and progrum backers are like K-fed they never pull out.

They just force the change they want.

This angle of calling buying rosters and paying for coaches RoI is comically inaccurate when it comes to CFB.
 
There have been missteps, but we are generally headed in the right direction. I also think we have the right type of coach for this era of college football--one who embraces the portal and NIL, has good organization, is relentless in recruiting, and will have the program positioned well to jump ship from the ACC when that moment comes. Mario has his downsides; however, he is not inflexible and has shown an ability to adapt and that is very important. We need to perennially be in the mix for the CFP. Mario has us right there in year 3 and we should finally start seeing some experienced depth in the upcoming years that will give us the sort of stability we haven't had in a very long time.
 
I think the truth, in almost all aspects of life, usually lies somewhere in the middle. But I do think there are very valid discussion points if you wanted to go full, 100% sunshine pumper or full, 100% mope. So, as we close the regular season in 2024, and year 3 of Mario's regime, where do you stand in terms of this season, and the direction of the program? I tried to lay out some bullet points as far as what I feel would be optimism and pessimism around the program. So what do you think? Is the glass half-full, or half-empty?

Because I try to be an optimistic person in life (being miserable and negative all the time is legitimately bad for your health, by the way), let's start there:

- We finished the season 10-2. Bottom line, many people say you are what your record says you are, so we are 10-2. Mario won 5 games in Year 1, 7 games in Year 2, and 10 games in Year 3. That is CLEAR and obvious progression.

- We absolutely smashed UiF and FSU this year. We had lost to FSU 3 years in a row, one of those years losing 45-3. We beat the 2 of them by a combined score of 77-31, and 14 of those points surrendered with in total garbage time with kids pulled from the stands playing. We have to feel good about being clearly ahead of both of those programs currently, and yes I'm aware of what UiF is doing currently. I don't care. Being in that stadium on 8/31 in the middle of the bull gator section was genuinely one of the best days of my life, and I'll remember it forever.

- The old Bobby Bowden adage when he was building a program was "First you lose big, then you lose small, then you win small, then you win big". In 2022, we lost big. In 2023, we lost small. In 2024, we won small, sort of. 10 wins overall, but pulled some out by the skin of our *** (Cal, VT). Can we parlay this into winning big in 2025?

- We had the #1 offense in America by MANY metrics. One of the mope points about Mario was that he was a QB killer. He "meddled" in the offense (ridiculous, but I digress). He was a caveman. All of those narratives were crushed this season. Cam Ward will be in NYC in 12 days for a Heisman presentation. Our offense was high-flying, big play, anything but "Bro-style". We should be able to convince a very good quarterback to come here, both in HS recruiting and in the portal.

- We have recruited the best back to back classes in program history, or at least close to it, at worst. The close of 2025 is still up in the air, but Mario's 2023 and 2024 classes were EXCELLENT, and we should have a solid backbone of good players going forward.

- Mario's gameday coaching was, to me, very much improved this year. I know the FG decision on Saturday was ridiculed, and likely deservedly so, but I thought he was MUCH more aggressive than ever before. He went for it on 4th and 1 multiple times deep in our own territory, something he'd have NEVER done in his Oregon tenure, no matter what. There were very few completely egregious time management errors like there have been in the past. We still use timeouts at times when we shouldn't, but I didn't think his overall gameday performances were as deplorable as years past. He's never going to be great here, we just need him to not cost us games, and I didn't think he did. Again, for me personally, I like my coaches to be aggressive. If you die with the pedal down, I can live with that. Just don't be clueless or scared. I didn't think he was this year, which was a very welcomed change. He's clearly learning/adapting.

- I thought the overall coaching on offense was very good. Think back to years past, and then this year. We had very few botched snaps, illegal formations, broken plays with guys going the wrong way, confusion, general unpreparedness. Was it 2022 when we had the 2 guys smash into each other in the backfield and they tackles themselves for about a 10 yard loss? That **** is embarrassing. I thought the operation was much more efficient. The kicking game was flawless. Very few pre-snap penalties on offense. We were heavily penalized overall, but I thought most of them were at least aggressive and not braindead (except for how we ended the Syracuse game, with 2 lobotomy patients getting an unsportsmanlike and offsides).

- At the end of the day, the team is significantly better today than it was when he got here. Not good enough, but it's absolutely improved. When we stop improving, I think it's time for panic. We went from 5 to 7 to 10 wins. That's improvement. Now where do we go from here?

I can list a few more things, but I think this is a good overarching, macro start. Let's move on to things that I think we can point to if we want to have pessimism and look at the glass as half-empty

- We still didn't win the ACC, something we've never done in 20 years, and we didn't even make the championship game. Again.

- We lost 2 more games as double-digit favorites, and Mario has now done that 5 times in his career here, more than any other program in America. We are 4-9 in November/December since 2022. This has been a Mario bug-a-boo for a while, losing games as a big favorite, and he did it twice again this year, to GT and Syracuse. Both were one-score games on the road, but the point remains.

- The defense was....holy christ I can't even describe it accurately. The worst we have had here in a LONG time, and is beyond any comprehension. This was a capital F failure, in permanent ink. It starts with Mario...being this devoid of talent, especially in the back 7, in Year 3 is completely unacceptable. But, in line with the same discussion we've had here for YEARS now, yes the talent is not great, but it's certainly better than "worst in the conference", which is absolutely a discussion. So, Mario and his staff failed the talent acquisition piece. And then Guidry and his staff took the talent they do have and completely diarrhea'd in the bed with it. If we just have an average defense, this is likely a 12-0 team. Just average. If you pair the ~50th best defense in America with the #1 offense, you have a really good team. Our defense is markedly worse, and it's going to cause us to waste the best offense we've ever had. Guidry will clearly be fired, and deservedly so. I can't really justify anyone on that side of the ball keeping their jobs, but of course he's not going to fire every single defensive coach. But being THAT bad is absolutely a fireable offense, and Guidry will be packing his bags soon, along with at least 1-2 other coaches on defense.

- Special teams sucked ***, again. Borregales is a pure stud, but we have nobody to return kicks, nobody to return punts, and we can't cover a kickoff to save our lives. Totally unacceptable at a school like this with what should be a roster full of elite athletes. Hire a full-time special teams coach, yesterday.

- More on the defense, and as I lauded the offensive coaching above, I need to blast the defensive preparation. We looked like we didn't even practice on defense in the beginning of games. Way too often we heard "they did something they hadn't shown before". Bull****. How bout we show something we haven't ever shown? Why are we always the one on our heels to start games? Plus the communication in games was beyond dog ****, every single week. Multiple plays every single game where nobody has any idea what they're doing, and the offense has our kid's brains in a blender. Unacceptable.

- We continue to be a punching bag for other teams to do things they've never done in their history. GT has been playing football since the 1800s. They had the 2nd longest drive they've ever had in their history against us. Syracuse has never come from 21 points behind to win a game in their history. They did it to us.

- We went "all-in" on this season, with a multi-million dollar quarterback and a ~$20M roster, and still couldn't win the ACC. We expect to still be a big player in the NIL game, and I trust Mario and his staff to recruit, but this was Year 3, with your nuts on the table from a financial standpoint. And we still didn't get it done.

Overall, to me, all summer I said 10-2 or bust. I started to move really towards 11-1 once the roster finalized and I looked deeply at the schedule. But I had a few goals:

1. Win 10+ games.....check
2. Beat the gator and fsu.....check
3. Win the ACC......nope
4. Make the playoff......likely nope

So, all in all, when I step back and really digest this thing, I'm going to be somewhat torn, I think. I'm happy with the progress. I had a TON of fun the past 3 months. But, we wasted another opportunity, and I'm not entirely sure where we go from here. With recruiting the way it's been, we should have a really talented team next year, and we're going to be aggressive in the portal. But we're going to be hiring a new DC, and that will likely cost us some defensive recruits for this class.

What did I miss? Let me know what you guys think that are making you feel somewhat optimistic and/or pessimistic both about this season, and the future.
Enjoyed this. The useless but fun hypothetical is how the narrative would have changed if X had fumbled. We were driving to score on that possession and the momentum flipped on a dime. If we beat Syracuse and then lose to SMU and in the first round of the playoffs, are we still furious?

Although I don't trust Mario and am nervous as **** about next season, I tend to be glass half-full. We won 10 games and played meaningful football in November. It isn't the goal, but it is a good start.

If Haynes King doesn't fumble and the refs don't gift Georgia that game on Friday, Georgia would have three losses and our fans would be calling for Kirby Smart's head. Sustaining success in college football is harder than ever.

We are really going to tear down obvious progress so we can start all over with an unproven coach? No thanks. Let's see how things play out.
 
I always laugh when people say things in absolutes like "we will never".

98% of this board had never heard of Cam Ward a year ago today. Then we got the best QB in program history. So it's amusing when people say we'll never get a player like "insert player here" when we literally have that player today.
We will likely never have a QB that good again.
 
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ROi lol.

And pulling out… big time college football boosters and progrum backers are like K-fed they never pull out.

They just force the change they want.

This angle of calling buying rosters and paying for coaches RoI is comically inaccurate when it comes to CFB.
call it what you want, there is a reason for putting the money down in the first place that warrants a certain return.

Not to mention, I don’t think you have the first clue about the financial specifics.
 
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Likely, I can handle. We will likely never have a defense this bad again. When people start saying never, I tune out.
I’m not doom and gloom about next season either though. I think the overall product will be better. Even if we don’t win 10. The problem is that’s a step back in the eyes of the fans. And quite problematic for Mario. I don’t envy him. It’s playoffs or say goodnight if he’s not in next year.
 
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I think half-full. I'm also more concerned now that there are problems that can't be fixed with more money or better players and assistant coaches, than I was when coach took over.
 
This was the perfect storm and we choked it away

This was the softest schedule we will encounter with the best player and best QB in college football

We had the best receiving corps in the country this year. The most explosive offense

We will never have the best QB again the way we recruit the position out of high school with these 3 star QBs and our history the past 20 years

Ironic that you say we will NEVER have the best QB again recruting "high school with these 3 star QBs"....YET in the same post you reference Ward as the best QB in college football who had ZERO stars coming out of high school LOL
 
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I’m not doom and gloom about next season either though. I think the overall product is will be better. Even if we don’t win 10. The problem is that’s a step back in the eyes of the fans. And quite problematic for Mario. I don’t envy him. It’s playoffs or say goodnight if he’s not in next year.
This is where I am, progression must continue. It can’t stagnate or decrease.
 
Half empty when you were in total control with a **** unranked schedule and lose like that in Cuse after a 21- 0 lead. 10 wins so what. 6 wins would have gotten you a meaningless bowl anyway.
 
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