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Interesting stat on Florida QBs

TheSwagger1 said:
You might be onto something with the baseball stuff. Kyler and Baker were both very good baseball players. Stafford was too. I'm sure a bunch of em were.
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Mahomes, Colt McCoy & Andy Dalton all played baseball growing up & in HS.

I think Andrew Luck did too & I believe Nick Foles as well, but he also was a really good Basketball player in HS.
 
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TpaBayFlyFisher said:
And not one of the Florida guys played for Miami.....
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Miami only consider
TheSwagger1 said:
Kyler, Baker, and Brees are midgets out there. Shouldn't factor into Miami's recruiting decisions at all if the kids are good enough.
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I agree. We have this conversation every time a QB from FL ends up in the league. While the ones that we actually try to pursue (Jacoby, Teddy) head elsewhere. Jacory, Stephen Morris and Ryan Williams (when he got a shot) all gave us some a glimpse of what could happen when they’re leading the offense
 
DMoney said:
Even if you limit it to South Florida, you have three guys who started NFL games last year (Lamar, Bridgewater and Brissett) and three guys who finished Top 5 nationally in passing (Smith, White and Doughty).
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We tried as hard as possible to get Turdy ****water and Brissett. Is Smith you mention Geno Smith? I think we recruited him pretty hard too. It's not like we ignored them.

As for the G5 guys, I'm not sure their game translates here with what we were doing. Didn't White start out at USF? He looked like **** there if it's the same guy I'm thinking. Did he play from Brohm at WKU? Pretty hard not to excel under Brohm as a QB.
 
RattlerCane305 said:
It seems to me that that holds fairly true at **** near every other position when it comes to Texas kids, but not the QB's. Those guys normally progress well in CFB and beyond. They're kinda the middle ground between our QB's & the Cali dudes. Definitely not pampered & coddled but not raw like the Floridians. Texas guys(at most other positions)might max out but rarely are they *****, so they're highly competitive. They've got the right formula out there. Not burned out or babied but given a good foundation to build in college from. Lots of Heismans, #1 picks, All-Pros and MVPs to prove that...
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Texas QBs who are successful are always dirt tough and usually coaches' sons.
 
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TheSwagger1 said:
Kyler, Baker, and Brees are midgets out there. Shouldn't factor into Miami's recruiting decisions at all if the kids are good enough.
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OUR SHORT QBS DONT EVEN GET RECRUITED AT QB.

SINCE THEY ARE FROM FLORIDA THEY ARE AUTOMATICALLY PIDGEON TO SWITCH POSITIONS OR END UP AT AN HBCU OR SOMETHING.

ADD TO IT THE OFFENSES IN TX AND OUT WEST WERE MORE ADVANCED TO FIT THE SHORT GUYS....

IN THIS SIDE OF THE COUNTRY ITS FAIRLY NEW.
 
Liberty City El said:
The smaller QB's need to have exceptional arm talent & ability to make all the throws.

In South Fla the small QB's can be natural playmakers but they lack pure arm talent & are usually limited as passers. Quinton Flowers might be the exception to the rule because he had a nice arm, but otherworldly athleticism to go with it.

Kyler Murray is short as ****, but has a big power arm & can hit every part of the field combined his natural ability to run & pickup chunk yards with his feet.

Lamar Jackson fits that same grouping but he's a legit 6'2 & actually has a strong lower body build, he's also improved his passing quite a bit & is a multiple platform thrower who is even more accurate throwing side arm in the intermediate routes than he is throwing to the outside hashes.

I honestly think Baseball has something to do with it from an arm strength perspective with TX QB's, because a lot of them play baseball pretty young & while that throwing motion isn't ideal for a QB, I think just the process of muscle activation in the shoulder & arm from early on & having those muscles naturally regrow & get stronger over time makes the TX's QB's have such velocity & ability to throw the deep ball without much strain.
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Nope...

its the weightroom.

thats where there higher level/college level coaching, weightroom and strength and conditioning work kicks in.

Majority of our guys dont even really lift....honestly and that is scary. My high school rb had weight training with me...and would never lift/hated weights... kid was 5'10 205- 215 pds of all muscle without. If kid actually lifted i would be scared for other teams.
 
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Liberty City El said:
Cali QB's, especially Southern Cali, tend to have a high bust rate, they're over coached on the private QB circuit & a little too overly manicured, meaning they're too coddled & pampered from a young age they tend not face adversity well. They plateau early.

The best Florida QB's are pretty much the South Fla athletes, the QB's from Northern & Central Fla usually aren't that good. The South Fla boys are usually really good athletes that get put at QB from lil league ball, Bridgewater always excelled due to intelligence & IQ, but normally South Fla QB's are athletically advanced for the position & the ones who get upwards of 6'0ft & don't get switched to WR/RB or DB tend to do well because they face tough competition all throughout their upbringing & have a chip on their shoulder due to being doubted at every step. They respond well to adversity.

Texas produces the best QB's & it's not close IMO. No state has more annual naturally gifted passers than they do. Maybe it's the baseball culture that helps builds arm strength, or the immense pressure that comes from the HS football culture in TX which is similar to FL in terms of competitiveness, or maybe it's really the Varsity Blues style Dad's lol, whatever it is, them boys in Texas can sling it.
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The baseball culture in Florida is similar to Texas.....the issue is
1. Lack of quality private qb coaches in Florida, there are lots of them but not many good ones. In other states, young QBs are getting trained from 6 years old! That’s unheard of in Florida. There are highly successful FL HS QBs with horrible fundamentals and never really been taught properly.

2. Texas pays their HS coaches! When a Tx school has $200000 to spend on a coaching staff vs 20k in Florida you should have overall better coaching....this effects qb development in HS. Some of the HS OCs in Florida shouldn’t be coaching youth football!
 
canepb said:
The baseball culture in Florida is similar to Texas.....the issue is
1. Lack of quality private qb coaches in Florida, there are lots of them but not many good ones. In other states, young QBs are getting trained from 6 years old! That’s unheard of in Florida. There are highly successful FL HS QBs with horrible fundamentals and never really been taught properly.

2. Texas pays their HS coaches! When a Tx school has $200000 to spend on a coaching staff vs 20k in Florida you should have overall better coaching....this effects qb development in HS. Some of the HS OCs in Florida shouldn’t be coaching youth football!
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Majority of them are from youth football or still coach youth fball. They just road ont he coattails on their kids from the park to a gig at the high school
 
canepb said:
The baseball culture in Florida is similar to Texas.....the issue is
1. Lack of quality private qb coaches in Florida, there are lots of them but not many good ones. In other states, young QBs are getting trained from 6 years old! That’s unheard of in Florida. There are highly successful FL HS QBs with horrible fundamentals and never really been taught properly.

2. Texas pays their HS coaches! When a Tx school has $200000 to spend on a coaching staff vs 20k in Florida you should have overall better coaching....this effects qb development in HS. Some of the HS OCs in Florida shouldn’t be coaching youth football!
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In Central & Northern Fla probably, South Fla has a strong Baseball culture as well, but I don't know of many South Fla QB's in the recent years who played Baseball growing up or in HS, except for Bridgewater.

The only other sport they participate in is usually Track & field, but I can't remember too many South Fla QB's who also played Baseball. Teddy did in lil league, but I can't think of many others.

The QB's in South Fla mostly just play Football all their childhood. The Baseball players in the region don't really play anything else either, they pretty much just specialize, but there are some really good Baseball players in South Fla they just typically go to Private schools.
 
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gogeta4 said:
OUR SHORT QBS DONT EVEN GET RECRUITED AT QB.

SINCE THEY ARE FROM FLORIDA THEY ARE AUTOMATICALLY PIDGEON TO SWITCH POSITIONS OR END UP AT AN HBCU OR SOMETHING.

ADD TO IT THE OFFENSES IN TX AND OUT WEST WERE MORE ADVANCED TO FIT THE SHORT GUYS....

IN THIS SIDE OF THE COUNTRY ITS FAIRLY NEW.
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mad I said my kid plays qb and coach ran an old wing-t offense last night, we played a team from la at Disney in consolation game for national championship and they were airing it out like Oklahoma. I was like get my son in that offense. They start much earlier in Texas and Cali. But our athletes are bred differently, what I’m holding my hope on!!
 
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Liberty City El said:
In Central & Northern Fla probably, South Fla has a strong Baseball culture as well, but I don't know of many South Fla QB's in the recent years who played Baseball growing up or in HS, except for Bridgewater.

The only other sport they participate in is usually Track & field, but I can't remember too many South Fla QB's who also played Baseball. Teddy did in lil league, but I can't think of many others.

The QB's in South Fla mostly just play Football all their childhood. The Baseball players in the region don't really play anything else either, they pretty much just specialize, but there are some really good Baseball players in South Fla they just typically go to Private schools.
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I’ve always wanted my son to play baseball, but he doesn’t want anything to do with it because our athletes in Florida don’t do it!! It seems to be a white privilege sport.
 
canepb said:
The baseball culture in Florida is similar to Texas.....the issue is
1. Lack of quality private qb coaches in Florida, there are lots of them but not many good ones. In other states, young QBs are getting trained from 6 years old! That’s unheard of in Florida. There are highly successful FL HS QBs with horrible fundamentals and never really been taught properly.

2. Texas pays their HS coaches! When a Tx school has $200000 to spend on a coaching staff vs 20k in Florida you should have overall better coaching....this effects qb development in HS. Some of the HS OCs in Florida shouldn’t be coaching youth football!
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agree with both points, my son has a private coach and I’m really worried about the coaching in another year when he gets to high school!! We need to stop short changing the coaches in high school.
 
hoover437 said:
mad I said my kid plays qb and coach ran an old wing-t offense last night, we played a team from la at Disney in consolation game for national championship and they were airing it out like Oklahoma. I was like get my son in that offense. They start much earlier in Texas and Cali. But our athletes are bred differently, what I’m holding my hope on!!
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What program does your son play for?
 
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Liberty City El said:
In Central & Northern Fla probably, South Fla has a strong Baseball culture as well, but I don't know of many South Fla QB's in the recent years who played Baseball growing up or in HS, except for Bridgewater.

The only other sport they participate in is usually Track & field, but I can't remember too many South Fla QB's who also played Baseball. Teddy did in lil league, but I can't think of many others.

The QB's in South Fla mostly just play Football all their childhood. The Baseball players in the region don't really play anything else either, they pretty much just specialize, but there are some really good Baseball players in South Fla they just typically go to Private schools.
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Miami produces more pro baseball players than any other city. But you are exactly right, they specialize.
 
The Franchise said:
We tried as hard as possible to get Turdy ****water and Brissett. Is Smith you mention Geno Smith? I think we recruited him pretty hard too. It's not like we ignored them.

As for the G5 guys, I'm not sure their game translates here with what we were doing. Didn't White start out at USF? He looked like **** there if it's the same guy I'm thinking. Did he play from Brohm at WKU? Pretty hard not to excel under Brohm as a QB.
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We got on Brissett and Geno Smith pretty late.

I don't remember the exact details, but thats how I remember those stories. Early offer...then lightly recruit...only to pick up at the end when we've struck out and missed on others.
 
DMoney said:
Florida
Tim Tebow, 2010 (25), Nease (Ponte Vedra)
Rusty Smith, 2010 (176), Sandalwood (Jacksonville)
Geno Smith, 2013 (39), Miramar
B.J. Daniels, 2013 (237), Lincoln (Tallahassee)
Blake Bortles, 2014 (3), Oviedo
Teddy Bridgewater, 2014 (32), Northwestern (Miami)
Aaron Murray, 2014 (163), Plant (Tampa)
Trevor Siemian, 2015 (250), Olympia (Orlando)
Paxton Lynch, 2016 (26), Trinity Christian Academy (Deltona)
Jacoby Brissett, 2016 (91), Dwyer (Palm Beach Gardens)
Jake Rudock, 2016 (191), St. Thomas Aquinas (Fort Lauderdale)
Jeff Driskel, 2016 (207), Hagerty (Oviedo)
Brandon Doughty, 2016 (223), North Broward Prep (Coconut Creek)
Nathan Peterman, 2017 (171), Bartram Trail (St. Johns)
Lamar Jackson, 2018 (32), Boynton Beach
Mike White, 2018 (171), University (Fort Lauderdale)
Alex McGough, 2018 (220), Gaither (Tampa)
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Stephen Morris.
 
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