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Interesting NFL Draft stat on "player development"

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DMoney said:


The first seven programs on this list are exactly who you would expect. Those programs are known for developing players.

Miami's presence is an outlier. My guess is this has more to do with Miami's prospects being underrated as recruits than player development. Any theories?
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I want to be in the stat category with Bama and Clemson. Not that list of over achievers.
 
The U Code said:
Neither are elite athletes, that was obvious. They were not NFL players before Rumph and Banda started working with them..not even close and now they both have a good chance to make an NFL roster...these were not 4/5 star guys who came in ready to play, they were developed. Not sure why u feel they weren’t.
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Guys with their size and speed weren't destined to be NFL players? LOL what?

You're right, they weren't 4/5 star players, they were quality 3-star kids with great measurables...and they got drafted as such.

You're saying a couple 6'1" DB's who run 4.4's wouldn't have gotten drafted without our coaches?!

Man c'mon.
 
KrazyCane said:
I knew Redwine possibly had 4.4 speed when I saw him make a break on a ball across the field for an interception like he was Sean Taylor. You wouldn’t have seen that bc you watch UM football games with your head up ur *** so you can continue to believe our players aren’t good and are under developed.

Mike Jack and Redwine were clearly developed under this staff.... Jackson could’ve easily been another Randy Phillips someone that looks the part but never makes a name for himself. Redwine could’ve been another Ryan Mayes but he ended up being one of the best safeties in the ACC.

So again I 1000% disagree with this guys opinion being stated as facts 🗣
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Bro you're dumb as a MF'er.
Jackson and Redwine have far superior physical traits to Mayes and Phillips, you dunce.

those guys didn't make it because they were bad athletes and shouldn't have been offered by Miami in the first place.
 
Like...
Are we for real right now?

Are y'all really saying that two 6'1" 200lb DB's who run 4.4 couldn't have gone higher in the draft if they were developed differently?

My god. LOL
 
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Coach Macho said:
Guys with their size and speed weren't destined to be NFL players? LOL what?

You're right, they weren't 4/5 star players, they were quality 3-star kids with great measurables...and they got drafted as such.

You're saying a couple 6'1" DB's who run 4.4's wouldn't have gotten drafted without our coaches?!

Man c'mon.
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I love Most of your takes man but these kids definitely got developed on the field and off; they weren’t anywhere near those #s athletically when they left Miami compared to when they arrived. Redwine and Jackson were undervalued this draft imo which can happen. But it doesn’t mean they weren’t developed either because of that. They had solid film but just didn’t generate the hype for whatever reason their talent warranted imo.
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brock said:
I love Most of your takes man but these kids definitely got developed; they weren’t anywhere near those #s athletically when they left Miami compared to when they arrived. Redwine and Jackson were undervalued this draft imo which can happen. But it doesn’t mean they weren’t developed either because of that. They had solid film but just generate the hype for whatever reason their talent warranted imo.
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This happens at every school, bud.
I've had DB's who improved their numbers like that at Syracuse and UCLA.
 
Coach Macho said:
This happens at every school, bud.
I've had DB's who improved their numbers like that at Syracuse and UCLA.
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All it tells me is Our perception was bad in the draft community this cycle. Both of those kids had elite testing numbers and led the #1 passing defense in the country but couldn’t be higher than a 4th or 5th round pick? Their play was great, testing elite what gives other than the perception that Miami was trash last year? Got to start winning more consistently so the guys can get more notarized for the work they’ve done. No reason why either of those 2 shouldn’t at least be picked by the 3rd round
 
I think people are under estimating how abysmal this program has been. You don't go 7-6 at Miami, and lose to teams like Duke and Virginia, if you are developing players.

Unless you're saying that our recruiting was so bad that we're out there with a bunch of scrubs who were destined to be undrafted players.

Even sub-par teams who don't recruit at a high level are developing a few 1st/2nd round draft picks.
 
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Coach Macho said:
Truthfully I don't think we've developed worth a ****.

The nack on a lot of our players is technique.

Who went higher in the draft than they should've?

Redwine has elite measurables. He couldn't have been developed to go before the 4th?

Michael Jackson couldn't have gone higher with his measurables?

Joe Jackson was here for 3 years and never learned a counter-move to his bullrush?

Chad Thomas was a 5-star. Not only did he fail to dominate on the field but he left here with so-so measurables.

I think from an S&C standpoint and a coaching standpoint, we've sucked at turning kids into next level football players.
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I agree to a point red wine only had 2 years of safety film and his junior year was ok. Mike jack fell off from his junior year he probably would have been drafted higher if he declared early. Joe jack I agree with but he is the one who chose what move he used on a particular play. Chad was golden era for 2 years and he is 275 but very lean
 
A1cane said:
I agree to a point red wine only had 2 years of safety film and his junior year was ok. Mike jack fell off from his junior year he probably would have been drafted higher if he declared early. Joe jack I agree with but he is the one who chose what move he used on a particular play. Chad was golden era for 2 years and he is 275 but very lean
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People keep saying jackson fell off and I dont See it, he didn’t have the int numbers but how often did he get beat? Not often and he gave up less than 300 yards once again in a 13 game season. Shut his side down vs LSU too outside of a 9 yard catch. Outside of Toledo(If you are paying attention the receiver he was going against Deionte Johnson was drafted top of the 3rd round was literally the only receiver the last 2 years that was able to beat Jackson like that) and when he played pitt in 2017. Other than that Jackson barely got beat really.
 
Coach Macho said:
Redwine and M. Jackson improved leaps and bounds while they were here?
Were they crippled when we signed them? Cause they ended up being nothing more than decent late-round players while they were here.
Are you telling me that they were complete scrubs coming out of high school and our coaches turned them into 4th/5th round players?


Both of those guys have elite measureables.

The whole reason everybody on this board was surprised by Redwine's measureables was because he didn't play like that on the field. So how did we utilize him properly? (not a single Miami fan knew that we had a 6'1" Safety with 4.4 speed in our secondary)
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Mike Jackson has good size and good speed, that’s it. He’s grabby, awful in off coverage and he’s stiff as ****. He was taken exactly where he should have been.

I don’t disagree that our development has been **** but Rumph does a pretty good job of teaching his guys how to play
 
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I think it has a lot to do with geographical location as well, outside from Colorado (weed) most of those places are a lot slower paced then Miami is which leaves more down time to just work on football related things. Just a guess.
 
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DMoney said:
I thought Michael Jackson got better, especially as a tackler. He wasn't that physical when he came in.
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He wasn’t very good at all when he came in. Anyone saying he wasn’t developed is just taking a stance to prop up their own agenda or are expecting coaches to develop 1st rounders out of every big and fast kid they can find. Just because a kid came here with “elite” measurable doesn’t mean that they are bound for the 1st round. **** look at Choc Gray, was he underdeveloped?
 
kutz said:
I think it has a lot to do with geographical location as well, outside from Colorado (weed) most of those places are a lot slower paced then Miami is which leaves more down time to just work on football related things. Just a guess.
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There also colder which leads to kids not wanting to go outside to train. It’s neither an advantage or disadvantage.
 
Coach Macho said:
Guys with their size and speed weren't destined to be NFL players? LOL what?

You're right, they weren't 4/5 star players, they were quality 3-star kids with great measurables...and they got drafted as such.

You're saying a couple 6'1" DB's who run 4.4's wouldn't have gotten drafted without our coaches?!

Man c'mon.
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If every 6’1, 4.4 guy out there was automatically an NFL db the football world would be a better place...unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. I know U know it’s not all about combine measurements as I’ve seen your Lingard-Harris comparison etc...
 
brock said:
People keep saying jackson fell off and I dont See it, he didn’t have the int numbers but how often did he get beat? Not often and he gave up less than 300 yards once again in a 13 game season. Shut his side down vs LSU too outside of a 9 yard catch. Outside of Toledo(If you are paying attention the receiver he was going against Deionte Johnson was drafted top of the 3rd round was literally the only receiver the last 2 years that was able to beat Jackson like that) and when he played pitt in 2017. Other than that Jackson barely got beat really.
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I agree he didn't fall off but he was expected to have a whole bunch of ints after having I think 3 or 4 junior season. It's a numbers game and he didn't get more ints this past year
 
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