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Interesting NFL Draft stat on "player development"

DMoney said:
Those other schools are all known as the best development schools. Great strength and conditioning and excellent coaching. Utah, Wisconsin and Iowa are perfect examples.

My guess is that Miami and Florida are the two teams who made the list because of underrated talent, which makes sense considering they are in the state that produced the most three-star NFL players.
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I dont disagree but there’s some basic math to this list. The top ten recruiting schools effectively can not make the list. The next 15 schools are well represented. Makes sense also. It’s a 3 year cohort which means a couple extra kids in that window and you’ll be on the list. The real outlier is Utah, IMO. Not surprised by the Iowa/BC/Wisconsin group. Nor CO/Wash. Utah is clearly getting underrated kids, and also looks to be developing them well.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
I dont disagree but there’s some basic math to this list. The top ten recruiting schools effectively can not make the list. The next 15 schools are well represented. Makes sense also. It’s a 3 year cohort which means a couple extra kids in that window and you’ll be on the list. The real outlier is Utah, IMO. Not surprised by the Iowa/BC/Wisconsin group. Nor CO/Wash. Utah is clearly getting underrated kids, and also looks to be developing them well.
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Utah has a really good staff and program. My big concern with Stubblefield is that Utah let him go.
 
Miami is on the list because the guys who have been drafted the last few years. They have had 9 3 stars drafted between 2017-2019.
 
It's only counting 4 & 5 stars so it would make sense that schools that get less of those would enable them to be featured more and get drafted. Bama and some of the other bag droppers have 4 and sometimes even 5 stars on the bench who don't get noticed due to the ridiculous depth. Having said that these schools aren't complete **** either. If you're a 4 or 5 star kid surrounded by a horrible team you'll probably look bad too. Seems like decent to good teams might give these guys the best spotlight and opportunity to get noticed and, therefore, drafted
 
Coach Macho said:
Truthfully I don't think we've developed worth a ****.

The nack on a lot of our players is technique.

Who went higher in the draft than they should've?

Redwine has elite measurables. He couldn't have been developed to go before the 4th?

Michael Jackson couldn't have gone higher with his measurables?

Joe Jackson was here for 3 years and never learned a counter-move to his bullrush?

Chad Thomas was a 5-star. Not only did he fail to dominate on the field but he left here with so-so measurables.

I think from an S&C standpoint and a coaching standpoint, we've sucked at turning kids into next level football players.
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I agree w this completely.
 
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DMoney said:
Those other schools are all known as the best development schools. Great strength and conditioning and excellent coaching. Utah, Wisconsin and Iowa are perfect examples.

My guess is that Miami and Florida are the two teams who made the list because of underrated talent, which makes sense considering they are in the state that produced the most three-star NFL players.
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So, then why has Miami been cheeks for 15 years now? You're going to say Coaching...but part of coaching is development. They can't be trash coaches, but they develop pro-viable players, too. It can't be both.
 
BoxingRobes said:
So, then why has Miami been cheeks for 15 years now? You're going to say Coaching...but part of coaching is development. They can't be trash coaches, but they develop pro-viable players, too. It can't be both.
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That's the point. We rank high on this list because we have an inordinate amount of underrated three-star players. Their talent gets them to the NFL, not the development.
 
DMoney said:
That's the point. We rank high on this list because we have an inordinate amount of underrated three-star players. Their talent gets them to the NFL, not the development.
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Thats long been my belief.

We're on the same page.

I tend to side with @Ethnicsands too...I would wager we have a lot of high three star caliber players that are generally indiscernible from a four star. Also, would wager, by this point, Miami players don't get the benefit of the doubt from the services in their grading like say, Bama would for their commitments...and I don't blame them...never a good look to have a team in the Top 10 that is always eating **** with other middling ACC ham'n'egger squads.
 
BoxingRobes said:
Thats long been my belief.

We're on the same page.

I tend to side with @Ethnicsands too...I would wager we have a lot of high three star caliber players that are generally indiscernible from a four star. Also, would wager, by this point, Miami players don't get the benefit of the doubt from the services in their grading like say, Bama would for their commitments...and I don't blame them...never a good look to have a team in the Top 10 that is always eating **** with other middling ACC ham'n'egger squads.
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There are 450 3* players per Rivals, and ~170 4* kids. A ‘high 3*’ kid - say, top third of three star kids is close to a 4* kid. We surely get a lot of them. A low 3* kid is a different proposition entirely. It’s not just speculation. Kids are ranked more finely than just 3* or 4*. It would be worth looking at how schools product within the 3* grouping. I’d guess we do well with high 3* kids and are not notable with lower rated kids.
 
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The U Code said:
Redwine and M.Jackson improved leaps and bounds during their time at Miami, I think the coaches did what they could with those guys. Thomas is not dedicated to football enough to dominate on the DL, as for Joe Jackson, I think u might have a point, he didn’t improve much after his freshman year but typically the players that want to improve do, so I’d question his commitment to being great too.
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Redwine and M. Jackson improved leaps and bounds while they were here?
Were they crippled when we signed them? Cause they ended up being nothing more than decent late-round players while they were here.
Are you telling me that they were complete scrubs coming out of high school and our coaches turned them into 4th/5th round players?


Both of those guys have elite measureables.

The whole reason everybody on this board was surprised by Redwine's measureables was because he didn't play like that on the field. So how did we utilize him properly? (not a single Miami fan knew that we had a 6'1" Safety with 4.4 speed in our secondary)
 
Coach Macho said:
Truthfully I don't think we've developed worth a ****.

The nack on a lot of our players is technique.

Who went higher in the draft than they should've?

Redwine has elite measurables. He couldn't have been developed to go before the 4th?

Michael Jackson couldn't have gone higher with his measurables?

Joe Jackson was here for 3 years and never learned a counter-move to his bullrush?

Chad Thomas was a 5-star. Not only did he fail to dominate on the field but he left here with so-so measurables.

I think from an S&C standpoint and a coaching standpoint, we've sucked at turning kids into next level football players.
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I mean we could be Marshall. Top CUSA recruiting classes year in and out but haven't had a played drafted since 2015 and it was a late 7th rounder.
 
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DMoney said:
Those other schools are all known as the best development schools. Great strength and conditioning and excellent coaching. Utah, Wisconsin and Iowa are perfect examples.

My guess is that Miami and Florida are the two teams who made the list because of underrated talent, which makes sense considering they are in the state that produced the most three-star NFL players.
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A staff full of autistic coaches could send kids to the NFL from Miami/UF/FSU.
 
Coach Macho said:
Redwine and M. Jackson improved leaps and bounds while they were here?
Were they crippled when we signed them? Cause they ended up being nothing more than decent late-round players while they were here.
Are you telling me that they were complete scrubs coming out of high school and our coaches turned them into 4th/5th round players?


Both of those guys have elite measureables.

The whole reason everybody on this board was surprised by Redwine's measureables was because he didn't play like that on the field. So how did we utilize him properly? (not a single Miami fan knew that we had a 6'1" Safety with 4.4 speed in our secondary)
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Neither are elite athletes, that was obvious. They were not NFL players before Rumph and Banda started working with them..not even close and now they both have a good chance to make an NFL roster...these were not 4/5 star guys who came in ready to play, they were developed. Not sure why u feel they weren’t.
 
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Artist Formerly Known As said:
Our guys aren’t developed properly and are underdrafted because of that.

It’s surprising we’re on that list.
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I don’t think our guys not being developed properly is always the reason.

Last years defense was ranked #4 in the country, regardless of what ppl say about the schedule. We’ve always had a easy schedule for the most part and still was trash on defense.

I don’t see how ppl can say players like Joe Jackson, Gerald Willis, Mike Jackson, and Sheldrick Redwine were not developed properly. Aside from Redwine, who was drafted higher than 90% would’ve expected, the NFL Draft completely missed on our defensive players that entered the draft.
 
Coach Macho said:
Redwine and M. Jackson improved leaps and bounds while they were here?
Were they crippled when we signed them? Cause they ended up being nothing more than decent late-round players while they were here.
Are you telling me that they were complete scrubs coming out of high school and our coaches turned them into 4th/5th round players?


Both of those guys have elite measureables.

The whole reason everybody on this board was surprised by Redwine's measureables was because he didn't play like that on the field. So how did we utilize him properly? (not a single Miami fan knew that we had a 6'1" Safety with 4.4 speed in our secondary)
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I knew Redwine possibly had 4.4 speed when I saw him make a break on a ball across the field for an interception like he was Sean Taylor. You wouldn’t have seen that bc you watch UM football games with your head up ur *** so you can continue to believe our players aren’t good and are under developed.

Mike Jack and Redwine were clearly developed under this staff.... Jackson could’ve easily been another Randy Phillips someone that looks the part but never makes a name for himself. Redwine could’ve been another Ryan Mayes but he ended up being one of the best safeties in the ACC.

So again I 1000% disagree with this guys opinion being stated as facts 🗣
 
I find humor in those who rip our player development yet don't state examples of a player who "underachieved" here because of sub-par development then took off with proper coaching at the next level.

Last time I checked just about every kid mentioned here had plenty of time to receive world class coaching and S&C in the NFL. Can't really think of anyone in recent memory who shed the handicap that this program was to them then blossomed into an All-Pro as soon as they were liberated. Interested to hear who they see as examples to back their position.

And anyone who gives the "What about Chik" response should self ban themselves for being so lazy.
 
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