Interesting NFL Draft stat on "player development"

[DMoney]

The first seven programs on this list are exactly who you would expect. Those programs are known for developing players.

Miami's presence is an outlier. My guess is this has more to do with Miami's prospects being underrated as recruits than player development. Any theories?

 

[Cuban-Cane]

The first seven programs on this list are exactly who you would expect. Those programs are known for developing players.

Miami's presence is an outlier. My guess is this has more to do with Miami's prospects being underrated as recruits than player development. Any theories?

I think it has to do with the fact that we recruit South Florida kids a lot. I think its safe to say that Florida runs football after seeing the state absolutely kill the draft. These kids dominate the NFL consistently and although we havent won a lot of games recently we have had some great south florida guys on the roster.

 

[Artist Formerly Known As]

Our guys aren’t developed properly and are underdrafted because of that.

It’s surprising we’re on that list.

 

[DMoney]

I think it has to do with the fact that we recruit South Florida kids a lot. I think its safe to say that Florida runs football after seeing the state absolutely kill the draft. These kids dominate the NFL consistently and although we havent won a lot of games recently we have had some great south florida guys on the roster.

This is my working theory, although guys like Njoku and Michael Jackson were three-star out of state kids.

 

[Go Canes!!]

I disagree with the notion we haven't developed guys here. There have been very few players in the last 6-8 years who've underperformed here over four years then blown up in the league.

Most of our guys play well here and get drafted more or less where they should. Imo our issues have been more troublesome from a schematic standpoint. Getting all that individual talent to play well together on Saturdays has been by far our biggest problem.

 

[DMoney]

I disagree with the notion we haven't developed guys here. There have been very few players in the last 6-8 years who've underperformed here over four years then blown up in the league.

Most of our guys play well here and get drafted more or less where they should. Imo our issues have been more troublesome from a schematic standpoint. Getting all that individual talent to play well together on Saturdays has been by far our biggest problem.

I think Richt's staff did a nice job developing guys. Golden, not as much.

 

[Coach Macho]

Truthfully I don't think we've developed worth a ****.

The nack on a lot of our players is technique.

Who went higher in the draft than they should've?

Redwine has elite measurables. He couldn't have been developed to go before the 4th?

Michael Jackson couldn't have gone higher with his measurables?

Joe Jackson was here for 3 years and never learned a counter-move to his bullrush?

Chad Thomas was a 5-star. Not only did he fail to dominate on the field but he left here with so-so measurables.

I think from an S&C standpoint and a coaching standpoint, we've sucked at turning kids into next level football players.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Truthfully I don't think we've developed worth a ****.

The nack on a lot of our players is technique.

Who went higher in the draft than they should've?

Redwine has elite measurables. He couldn't have been developed to go before the 4th?

Michael Jackson couldn't have gone higher with his measurables?

Joe Jackson was here for 3 years and never learned a counter-move to his bullrush?

Chad Thomas was a 5-star. Not only did he fail to dominate on the field but he left here with so-so measurables.

I think from an S&C standpoint and a coaching standpoint, we've sucked at turning kids into next level football players.

Yeah, coach, but apparently, we didn't suck as much as UF, FSU, or Slippery Rock!

 

[Cookie917]

This is my working theory, although guys like Njoku and Michael Jackson were three-star out of state kids.

Would those even be included in the above? from the tweet it said 4/5*commits vs NFL draft picks so all the under the radar or diamond in the rough types would be excluded no?

 

[The U Code]

Truthfully I don't think we've developed worth a ****.

The nack on a lot of our players is technique.

Who went higher in the draft than they should've?

Redwine has elite measurables. He couldn't have been developed to go before the 4th?

Michael Jackson couldn't have gone higher with his measurables?

Joe Jackson was here for 3 years and never learned a counter-move to his bullrush?

Chad Thomas was a 5-star. Not only did he fail to dominate on the field but he left here with so-so measurables.

I think from an S&C standpoint and a coaching standpoint, we've sucked at turning kids into next level football players.

Redwine and M.Jackson improved leaps and bounds during their time at Miami, I think the coaches did what they could with those guys. Thomas is not dedicated to football enough to dominate on the DL, as for Joe Jackson, I think u might have a point, he didn’t improve much after his freshman year but typically the players that want to improve do, so I’d question his commitment to being great too.

 

[tuckg305]

Truthfully I don't think we've developed worth a ****.

The nack on a lot of our players is technique.

Who went higher in the draft than they should've?

Redwine has elite measurables. He couldn't have been developed to go before the 4th?

Michael Jackson couldn't have gone higher with his measurables?

Joe Jackson was here for 3 years and never learned a counter-move to his bullrush?

Chad Thomas was a 5-star. Not only did he fail to dominate on the field but he left here with so-so measurables.

I think from an S&C standpoint and a coaching standpoint, we've sucked at turning kids into next level football players.

Agree 100% this been happening since the Coker days

 

[miamian01]

Joe Jack played hurt all last year.

 

[theuksu]

Truthfully I don't think we've developed worth a ****.

The nack on a lot of our players is technique.

Who went higher in the draft than they should've?

Redwine has elite measurables. He couldn't have been developed to go before the 4th?

Michael Jackson couldn't have gone higher with his measurables?

Joe Jackson was here for 3 years and never learned a counter-move to his bullrush?

Chad Thomas was a 5-star. Not only did he fail to dominate on the field but he left here with so-so measurables.

I think from an S&C standpoint and a coaching standpoint, we've sucked at turning kids into next level football players.

I'm looking forward to the day you're impressed by our coaching and S&C program! Because hopefully, that will mean the program has turned the corner.

 

[1mg of Epi]

I disagree with the notion we haven't developed guys here. There have been very few players in the last 6-8 years who've underperformed here over four years then blown up in the league.

Most of our guys play well here and get drafted more or less where they should. Imo our issues have been more troublesome from a schematic standpoint. Getting all that individual talent to play well together on Saturdays has been by far our biggest problem.

I disagree with the notion we haven't developed guys here. There have been very few players in the last 6-8 years who've underperformed here over four years then blown up in the league.

Most of our guys play well here and get drafted more or less where they should. Imo our issues have been more troublesome from a schematic standpoint. Getting all that individual talent to play well together on Saturdays has been by far our biggest problem.

I think Defensive players seem to have improved and developed while offense players have not... or at least not as much.

Player development is kind of a tale of 2 units.

 

[Ethnicsands]

The first seven programs on this list are exactly who you would expect. Those programs are known for developing players.

Miami's presence is an outlier. My guess is this has more to do with Miami's prospects being underrated as recruits than player development. Any theories?

Its a complicated analysis. It seems to be saying that the schools with the fewest 4/5* kids and most draft picks are the best developers. If thats the math its not a very useful measure. First, just having more 3* kids would increase your chances on this measure because 4/5* kids effectively count against you in the rankings. Second, 3* is a huge pool, and high 3* kids taken in enough numbers - and at the right positions, perhaps - can translate into NFL pick potential. (We do get a lot of ‘high’ 3* kids, IMO.) Lower 3* kids less likely. So average rivals ranking on their 6+ scale rather than just stars would be meaningful here. Or just show us what % of 3* kids become nfl picks by school. That itself would be a better metric, I think. It wouldn't really punish schools who take more higher rated kids.

All that said, I agree that some of our 3* kids are underrated.

I would also note that what we mean by development has always been a poorly articulated concept on these sites. We sent kids to the NFL at a pretty high rate even under awful staffs. Were they ‘developed’? Hard to say. Most people think development means some combination of S&C, technical training and putting kids in the place to show out. We have not done that stuff well for a long while. Certainly not consistently. But some kids have the ability and work hard enough.

 

[Ethnicsands]

I think Richt's staff did a nice job developing guys. Golden, not as much.

Golden was awful but I dont think the data supports him being materially worse than Richt at developing. The only first round picks of Richt's era were golden kids Njoku and Burns. No second round picks either. Not sure S&C was better under Gus. Manny got the D to perform better but did that translate to ‘development’? Not sure the nfl agrees.

 

[BoxingRobes]

The NFL Draft isn't a reward for collegiate production and development...its of a projection into the future with many variables - some having nothing to do with the school.

The only thing this kind of data supports, IMO, is we don't develop talent here. We have talent here, but we don't develop it...you can't otherwise explain our W-L record. I'd also say, that, while we have talent...there are a lot of bums on our roster, too. We are stars n scrubs...if the stars were like B+ players. I see too much ****ty Miami football to be convinced that we have players maximizing their ability on the field and a roster full of capable, justifiable scholarship athletes. I'd hypothesize that Miami has an abnormally high attrition rate as well, but don't have data to support that.

In sum. Miami has talent...but its top heavy and underdeveloped here. But the NFL recognizes talent and potential and drafts based on projection.

 

[hoover437]

I think it has to do with the fact that we recruit South Florida kids a lot. I think its safe to say that Florida runs football after seeing the state absolutely kill the draft. These kids dominate the NFL consistently and although we havent won a lot of games recently we have had some great south florida guys on the roster.

We have been almost laughable when it comes to player development! I love our program but we have not done a good job of that, we seem to be heading in that direct tho with manny

 

[Ethnicsands]

If you look at the list, it seems to me to be a list of schools whose recruits are underrated. There are different reasons:

Utah, it seems picks over overlooked West coast kids and does a good job of it. BC is a bit of an East Coast Utah.

Iowa and Wisconsin are getting more good players, especially on the line, than people realize.

Miami and Florida are getting more high 3* somewhat underrated kids than the ratings services realize.

Oklahoma, looks like generally good evals in an era where they pulled fewer top kids.

NC State takes chances on very athletic kids, imo, and that can pan out. Not sure it’s about development. TCU also.

Not sure on Colorado and Washington. Some mix of modestly underrated kids, west coast coverage, lots of high 3* kids and decent evals, I guess.

 

[DMoney]

If you look at the list, it seems to me to be a list of schools whose recruits are underrated. There are different reasons:

Utah, it seems picks over overlooked West coast kids and does a good job of it. BC is a bit of an East Coast Utah.

Iowa and Wisconsin are getting more good players, especially on the line, than people realize.

Miami and Florida are getting more high 3* somewhat underrated kids than the ratings services realize.

Oklahoma, looks like generally good evals in an era where they pulled fewer top kids.

NC State takes chances on very athletic kids, imo, and that can pan out. Not sure it’s about development. TCU also.

Not sure on Colorado and Washington. Some mix of modestly underrated kids, west coast coverage, lots of high 3* kids and decent evals, I guess.

Those other schools are all known as the best development schools. Great strength and conditioning and excellent coaching. Utah, Wisconsin and Iowa are perfect examples.

My guess is that Miami and Florida are the two teams who made the list because of underrated talent, which makes sense considering they are in the state that produced the most three-star NFL players.