Insight into $EC bag system

So the FBI has college basketball coaches, AAU coaches, Adidas, and Nike personnel on trial for millions of dollars, with discussions of 100k plus for Nassir Little, but it just isn't the same in football? Is that what is being implied here?

Patrick Peterson's whole family got dropped cash, jobs, home, cars...is that being doubted?
 
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That's not entirely accurate. The IRS will commit it's resources to whatever "cause" the GS15s deem worthy. It's more of a political thing than a money recuperation effort when it comes to large bodies as opposed to individual taxpayers.

And isn't the NCAA a billion dollar operation?

What is the alleged amount of the fraud? Outside of the top 50, maybe 100 players, who's getting paid, and how much? The numbers we're talking about is in the millions, the low millions at that. And, then, the next question is what's the actual crime? Undeclared gifts and income from families who didn't carry much if any tax liability to begin with? It's not an issue the IRS will ever spend any time on, and I reality, neither will any criminal enforcement agency. The FBI only cared about basketball because Adidas got involved.
 
What is the alleged amount of the fraud? Outside of the top 50, maybe 100 players, who's getting paid, and how much? The numbers we're talking about is in the millions, the low millions at that. And, then, the next question is what's the actual crime? Undeclared gifts and income from families who didn't carry much if any tax liability to begin with? It's not an issue the IRS will ever spend any time on, and I reality, neither will any criminal enforcement agency. The FBI only cared about basketball because Adidas got involved.
If the money is being funneled through the various foundations then .....
 
If the money is being funneled through the various foundations then .....

I highly doubt multi-millionaire boosters are taking that much risk. These are just a few more sets of hands in the long line of people asking then for money every day. It's probably peanuts for them anyway.

Look, I get it. We're at a big disadvantage and we're all looking for a white knight to level the playing field, but it's not happening. The IRS stepping in is on the same list as " UM hiring Kendall Briles." It's not going to happen.
 
Remember Stanley Mcglover (dillard high school) and company dropping a dime on Auburn a few years back in a epsn or HBO piece cant rememeber with NOTHING that came of it.
 
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I bought into that sec bag crap for years, last year sans a few top level guys we got who we wanted, we win this year like we were supposed to and we get who we want. Kids want to get to the league. Are we loosing kids to ole miss Mississippi state no we loosing them to the winning big time programs that put a premium on getting kids to the league and winning.

Our loosing kids to sec top tier falls at the feet of the coach and administration.
 
Remember Stanley Mcglover (dillard high school) and company dropping a dime on Auburn a few years back in a epsn or HBO piece cant rememeber with NOTHING that came of it.

Was given five figures and a car up front, plus performance bonuses.

The whole squad of jobbers narc'd Auburn out and they weren't even their best players. Just randoms that played at Auburn at the time.
 
What is the alleged amount of the fraud? Outside of the top 50, maybe 100 players, who's getting paid, and how much? The numbers we're talking about is in the millions, the low millions at that. And, then, the next question is what's the actual crime? Undeclared gifts and income from families who didn't carry much if any tax liability to begin with? It's not an issue the IRS will ever spend any time on, and I reality, neither will any criminal enforcement agency. The FBI only cared about basketball because Adidas got involved.

I highly doubt multi-millionaire boosters are taking that much risk. These are just a few more sets of hands in the long line of people asking then for money every day. It's probably peanuts for them anyway.

Look, I get it. We're at a big disadvantage and we're all looking for a white knight to level the playing field, but it's not happening. The IRS stepping in is on the same list as " UM hiring Kendall Briles." It's not going to happen.

I totally agree with you. You may have misinterpreted my meaning.

But I was saying that the IRS has gone after smaller fish because that's what someone in the GS-15 range wanted to do for whatever reason they had. It happens in all of the federal alphabet soup. I'm trying to say that they could go investigate these parties if they wanted to, there is enough reasonable suspicion to begin an investigation. I agree that it won't happen because no one wants to mess with it right now. And it would not surprise me if some of these boosters, and foundations, have their fingers/money on some elected officials (not necessarily over football), who in turn have their fingers on the civilian higher ups in the IRS. It happens all the time, throughout the government. No secret there.
 
So the FBI has college basketball coaches, AAU coaches, Adidas, and Nike personnel on trial for millions of dollars, with discussions of 100k plus for Nassir Little, but it just isn't the same in football? Is that what is being implied here?

Patrick Peterson's whole family got dropped cash, jobs, home, cars...is that being doubted?

No but what is different are the players. Adidas funneling money to certain recruits to play for schools sponsored by them in an attempt to procure that person signing with said company down the line. The IRS doesn't care if Nassir Little goes to Miami or UNC, they care about the bottom line and Adidas is a big payday for them.

Where in College you have a booster (or potentially a "network" of boosters), maybe worth a few million, giving a few k to a select # of recruits a year. Instead of the IRS suing one huge billion dollar company in Adidas and claiming conspiracy, they would have to sue each and every booster claiming some type of tax issue and the costs would likely outweigh the returns. You could try to drag the schools into it but unless you can show some type of connection (high burden), it will just be a "rogue booster" and I cant say I disagree. If I decide to go drop a bag for a 2020 5* kid today with Miami having no knowledge and whether or not that kid goes to Miami, how can Miami be liable?

I also don't agree that paying players would result in bags not being thrown around.... Think of it in a real life scenario, would I take 100k to work in miami and be close to my family for 3-4 years, or would I take the same 100k salary, with a 100k "bonus" and live in bama for 3-4 years?

My only suggestion to fix it would be to tweak the finance laws so if these boosters or "foundations" get caught the punishment is severe and would hopefully deter them from continuing the practice.
 
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No but what is different are the players. Adidas funneling money to certain recruits to play for schools sponsored by them in an attempt to procure that person signing with said company down the line. The IRS doesn't care if Nassir Little goes to Miami or UNC, they care about the bottom line and Adidas is a big payday for them.

Where in College you have a booster (or potentially a "network" of boosters), maybe worth a few million, giving a few k to a select # of recruits a year. Instead of the IRS suing one huge billion dollar company in Adidas and claiming conspiracy, they would have to sue each and every booster claiming some type of tax issue and the costs would likely outweigh the returns. You could try to drag the schools into it but unless you can show some type of connection (high burden), it will just be a "rogue booster" and I cant say I disagree. If I decide to go drop a bag for a 2020 5* kid today with Miami having no knowledge and whether or not that kid goes to Miami, how can Miami be liable?

I also don't agree that paying players would result in bags not being thrown around.... Think of it in a real life scenario, would I take 100k to work in miami and be close to my family for 3-4 years, or would I take the same 100k salary, with a 100k "bonus" and live in bama for 3-4 years?

My only suggestion to fix it would be to tweak the finance laws so if these boosters or "foundations" get caught the punishment is severe and would hopefully deter them from continuing the practice.
I agree with everything you said, but the IRS will most likely get involved when it comes down to the 7v7 teams and their Adidas, UA, Nike sponsorships like they did with basketball if anything is going to happen. I don't think they are going to waste their time on single athlete or booster types unless they are using businesses and such to do the transactions.
 
Was given five figures and a car up front, plus performance bonuses.

The whole squad of jobbers narc'd Auburn out and they weren't even their best players. Just randoms that played at Auburn at the time.


Yup he literally spoke of cash hand shakes as a player. I dont always believe in bags. I believe it does happen though and im kinda confused on Andrew's head in the sand on this...he been holding the fort on that financial aid money/tuition moeny gig for a few years now.
 
I guess cam newton getting 200 k was over exaggerated ?

It was just “ handled “ using his fathers church.

These amounts are very common.

Hilarious how blind some folks are , but whatever. Believe what you will.

How many games did Cam miss?

What were the sanctions against Miss State? Why didn’t Auburn have to pay? What were their sanctions?
 
How many games did Cam miss?

What were the sanctions against Miss State? Why didn’t Auburn have to pay? What were their sanctions?

I think the bigger issue is NCAA looks past ALoT of the Good Ole Boys who are making them money. Not saying they don’t ever get in trouble but why would you ruin a school that generates a ton of cash for you, the answer is you don’t
 
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How many games did Cam miss?

What were the sanctions against Miss State? Why didn’t Auburn have to pay? What were their sanctions?

They played the card that cam didn’t know about the payment to his fathers church.

Cams dad literally fell on the sword.
 
They played the card that cam didn’t know about the payment to his fathers church.

Cams dad literally fell on the sword.

Like I said between charities , foundations , churches etc there’s ways around this. You’ll only get caught if you’re sloppy or somebody is scorned.

Reggie Bush got hundreds of thousands , from cars, a home for his family and cash.

Are we really debating this? Lol.
 
Yup he literally spoke of cash hand shakes as a player. I dont always believe in bags. I believe it does happen though and im kinda confused on Andrew's head in the sand on this...he been holding the fort on that financial aid money/tuition moeny gig for a few years now.

Not every player gets bags but elite / really good recruits are getting stupid money. Just visiting alone gets a lot of them paid.
 
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Yup he literally spoke of cash hand shakes as a player. I dont always believe in bags. I believe it does happen though and im kinda confused on Andrew's head in the sand on this...he been holding the fort on that financial aid money/tuition moeny gig for a few years now.

Yeah, not only getting cash handshakes and legitimate "bags" (it was a bookbag lol)...he was getting cash from other schools just to get their attention. At Auburn, would get weekly cash stipends from different reps from the University.

To be fair, I think some of the numbers in this thread are skewing high or are really for only like elite QBs, but big money is thrown around. Not sure why you would say otherwise.

NOW...how much that effects a student-athlete and where they really want to go. Well, that depends on the kid.

And how much it directly effects Miami is a big question. Miami stinks, so its very difficult to say how much Miami is effected by a kid having a bag dropped on his doorstep. My guess is very little. Being trash doesn't help Miami's case at all with 99% of the kids we are after on the high end.
 
Like I said between charities , foundations , churches etc there’s ways around this. You’ll only get caught if you’re sloppy or somebody is scorned.

Reggie Bush got hundreds of thousands , from cars, a home for his family and cash.

Are we really debating this? Lol.

Reggie Bush vacated his Heisman because it was proven he took money from an agent. His issues had nothing to do with his high school recruitment.

The guys in college with the most cash are the guys who are getting it from agents.

Y’all are merging the 2. It’s not the same.
 
Reggie Bush vacated his Heisman because it was proven he took money from an agent. His issues had nothing to do with his high school recruitment.

The guys in college with the most cash are the guys who are getting it from agents.

Y’all are merging the 2. It’s not the same.
I was using bush as an example of being sloppy or somebody being scorned.
 
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