I'm Torn

[TreOFive]

All I gotta say is, we're not going to be losing to USF any time soon. Al has done some good things since he's been here, I just don't see him winning any crystal balls in his career.

USF..USF..???????I would take a loss to USF before taking a loss to fuggin DUKE

not sure why it would matter. a loss is a loss. All I know is that DUKE would have destroyed that USF team that SHannon lost to.

No way to really tell...but to a certain degree I agree that a loss is a loss. But its hard for me to accept that losing to FSU is the same as losing to Duke. We are a shadow of our former selves.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

Does golden get a pass for running off some of the talent that could have helped us win? Safety's Jamal Reid, Latwan Anderson who were both all Americans. Just two name a few.

No Anderson quit on RS and Reid was flunking... Not Golden's fault...

Da_U_85 has been wrong a lot in this thread.

Haha not as much as you... However, at the end of the day we all are canes (although I questioned your fan hood earlier) and learn from one another... I disagree with you quite often but you still bring insight to the board...

 

[lauderdaleballer]

All I gotta say is, we're not going to be losing to USF any time soon. Al has done some good things since he's been here, I just don't see him winning any crystal balls in his career.

USF..USF..???????I would take a loss to USF before taking a loss to fuggin DUKE

not sure why it would matter. a loss is a loss. All I know is that DUKE would have destroyed that USF team that SHannon lost to.

No way to really tell...but to a certain degree I agree that a loss is a loss. But its hard for me to accept that losing to FSU is the same as losing to Duke. We are a shadow of our former selves.

+1000
We are a shadow of ourselves we're comparing an experience HC to his predecessor; a fired HC who was a novice to the position... If we are debating that then something is wrong... We can't even debate if Al is on Coker's level... Because he's not as of now...

In regards to USF, that game was a bad loss but they weren't a scrub team... They were an 8-9 win team from 07-10... They also had a really good defense but our talent should have smashed them as we did in 09... They also started a walk-on which was pathetic on our part to have lost that game... That being said, we shouldn't point to losing to an 8 win team when we lost to a putrid Maryland, BC, and UVA squad...

 

[UMFarArcher]

Except the 4 that we signed this year. Don't let pesky facts get in the way of your agenda.

We're relying on Corey King and Earl Moore to carry the load next year at that position next year.

We sign three 3* DT's last year and one 4* and suddenly he's absolved for previously failing to recruit this position?

A big reason our defense has been shredded throughout the Golden era (and why we have huge concerns at the position for next year) is that we've failed to recruit difference makers at DT.

Don't let your agenda of slurping anything Golden get in the way of the harsh reality that failing to recruit (and develop) the position for that matter has been a big reason our defense has struggled.

Golden just signed the best DT class on paper ever and Chicagnego says DT's don't want to play for Golden and has the gall to say others have an agenda.

Yeah makes total sense buddy.

Stopped reading after "Golden just signed the best DT class on paper ever." Golden could have signed a blow-up doll to play DT in last year's class and it would have been his best haul DT in his tenure at Miami.

Don't let your agenda of hating on Golden get in the way of understanding that most rational, normal people are waiting to give him a chance to prove himself.

Three full seasons and zero improvement on defense tells me all I need to know about Al Golden. I'd love to be wrong, but evidence he is in over his head is overwhelming.

Seriously, how many years do you want to give this guy? If we'd shown improvement along the way I'd be plenty more patient. But the idea that we're trending upward is a joke.

But there have been trends under Al:

You call people who want to give him a chance to prove himself rational. I look at the complete lack of improvement and call those same fans neutered.

Signing Moten and Wyche was a pretty good haul. I'm putting my money on Pierre and either Wyche or Heurtelou to be the starters. We still need drastic improvement at the position, but Moten and Wyche were a **** fine start.

You're right, except it wasn't a start. This was his fourth recruiting class (third if you discount 2011). To say signing a Michael Wyche or Anthony Moten is long overdue is the understatement of the century.

What's absolutely terrifying is that we need Michael Wyche to come in and make a big difference or we are ****ed. That's the position Golden has put this team in.

Win trend under Al Golden:

6 to 7 to 9.

To me -- and this is just to me -- this is TREMENDOUSLY more important than any defensive statistic you put up.

What's truly hilarious about your's and the mope squad's view, is that you want to fire Al Golden after 3 years where his win total has increased every year. Thank god you guys aren't running the show, we'd have turnover every 2-3 years.

You're still not paying attention. Last year's wins were against really ****poor teams, our weakest schedule ever. How else can I determine this? Golden had 4 weeks to get ready for UL.

Thank God Al wasn't given 6 weeks to prepare for UL.

Our UL performance is a good indicator of Al Golden. Didn't you think the UL game looked just like his first game against Maryland?

And if I were in charge, he's have NEVER been hired, so there goes your turnover every three years claim.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

We're relying on Corey King and Earl Moore to carry the load next year at that position next year.

We sign three 3* DT's last year and one 4* and suddenly he's absolved for previously failing to recruit this position?

A big reason our defense has been shredded throughout the Golden era (and why we have huge concerns at the position for next year) is that we've failed to recruit difference makers at DT.

Don't let your agenda of slurping anything Golden get in the way of the harsh reality that failing to recruit (and develop) the position for that matter has been a big reason our defense has struggled.

Golden just signed the best DT class on paper ever and Chicagnego says DT's don't want to play for Golden and has the gall to say others have an agenda.

Yeah makes total sense buddy.

Stopped reading after "Golden just signed the best DT class on paper ever." Golden could have signed a blow-up doll to play DT in last year's class and it would have been his best haul DT in his tenure at Miami.

Don't let your agenda of hating on Golden get in the way of understanding that most rational, normal people are waiting to give him a chance to prove himself.

Three full seasons and zero improvement on defense tells me all I need to know about Al Golden. I'd love to be wrong, but evidence he is in over his head is overwhelming.

Seriously, how many years do you want to give this guy? If we'd shown improvement along the way I'd be plenty more patient. But the idea that we're trending upward is a joke.

But there have been trends under Al:

You call people who want to give him a chance to prove himself rational. I look at the complete lack of improvement and call those same fans neutered.

Signing Moten and Wyche was a pretty good haul. I'm putting my money on Pierre and either Wyche or Heurtelou to be the starters. We still need drastic improvement at the position, but Moten and Wyche were a **** fine start.

You're right, except it wasn't a start. This was his fourth recruiting class (third if you discount 2011). To say signing a Michael Wyche or Anthony Moten is long overdue is the understatement of the century.

What's absolutely terrifying is that we need Michael Wyche to come in and make a big difference or we are ****ed. That's the position Golden has put this team in.

Win trend under Al Golden:

6 to 7 to 9.

To me -- and this is just to me -- this is TREMENDOUSLY more important than any defensive statistic you put up.

What's truly hilarious about your's and the mope squad's view, is that you want to fire Al Golden after 3 years where his win total has increased every year. Thank god you guys aren't running the show, we'd have turnover every 2-3 years.

You're still not paying attention. Last year's wins were against really ****poor teams, our weakest schedule ever. How else can I determine this? Golden had 4 weeks to get ready for UL.

Thank God Al wasn't given 6 weeks to prepare for UL.

Our UL performance is a good indicator of Al Golden. Didn't you think the UL game looked just like his first game against Maryland?

And if I were in charge, he's have NEVER been hired, so there goes your turnover every three years claim.

You guys crack me up, assuming you're thinking of something that no one else has ever thought of. I'm not going to argue strength of schedule for the millionth time to only hear back "ur der those teams ****** sucked bra".

Who would you have hired 3 years ago?

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Golden just signed the best DT class on paper ever and Chicagnego says DT's don't want to play for Golden and has the gall to say others have an agenda.

Yeah makes total sense buddy.

Stopped reading after "Golden just signed the best DT class on paper ever." Golden could have signed a blow-up doll to play DT in last year's class and it would have been his best haul DT in his tenure at Miami.



Three full seasons and zero improvement on defense tells me all I need to know about Al Golden. I'd love to be wrong, but evidence he is in over his head is overwhelming.

Seriously, how many years do you want to give this guy? If we'd shown improvement along the way I'd be plenty more patient. But the idea that we're trending upward is a joke.

But there have been trends under Al:

You call people who want to give him a chance to prove himself rational. I look at the complete lack of improvement and call those same fans neutered.

Signing Moten and Wyche was a pretty good haul. I'm putting my money on Pierre and either Wyche or Heurtelou to be the starters. We still need drastic improvement at the position, but Moten and Wyche were a **** fine start.

You're right, except it wasn't a start. This was his fourth recruiting class (third if you discount 2011). To say signing a Michael Wyche or Anthony Moten is long overdue is the understatement of the century.

What's absolutely terrifying is that we need Michael Wyche to come in and make a big difference or we are ****ed. That's the position Golden has put this team in.

Win trend under Al Golden:

6 to 7 to 9.

To me -- and this is just to me -- this is TREMENDOUSLY more important than any defensive statistic you put up.

What's truly hilarious about your's and the mope squad's view, is that you want to fire Al Golden after 3 years where his win total has increased every year. Thank god you guys aren't running the show, we'd have turnover every 2-3 years.

You're still not paying attention. Last year's wins were against really ****poor teams, our weakest schedule ever. How else can I determine this? Golden had 4 weeks to get ready for UL.

Thank God Al wasn't given 6 weeks to prepare for UL.

Our UL performance is a good indicator of Al Golden. Didn't you think the UL game looked just like his first game against Maryland?

And if I were in charge, he's have NEVER been hired, so there goes your turnover every three years claim.

You guys crack me up, assuming you're thinking of something that no one else has ever thought of. I'm not going to argue strength of schedule for the millionth time to only hear back "ur der those teams ****** sucked bra".

Who would you have hired 3 years ago?

Those teams that were mentioned in the other thread did suck *** tho. You know they did.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Stopped reading after "Golden just signed the best DT class on paper ever." Golden could have signed a blow-up doll to play DT in last year's class and it would have been his best haul DT in his tenure at Miami.



Three full seasons and zero improvement on defense tells me all I need to know about Al Golden. I'd love to be wrong, but evidence he is in over his head is overwhelming.

Seriously, how many years do you want to give this guy? If we'd shown improvement along the way I'd be plenty more patient. But the idea that we're trending upward is a joke.

But there have been trends under Al:

You call people who want to give him a chance to prove himself rational. I look at the complete lack of improvement and call those same fans neutered.



You're right, except it wasn't a start. This was his fourth recruiting class (third if you discount 2011). To say signing a Michael Wyche or Anthony Moten is long overdue is the understatement of the century.

What's absolutely terrifying is that we need Michael Wyche to come in and make a big difference or we are ****ed. That's the position Golden has put this team in.

Win trend under Al Golden:

6 to 7 to 9.

To me -- and this is just to me -- this is TREMENDOUSLY more important than any defensive statistic you put up.

What's truly hilarious about your's and the mope squad's view, is that you want to fire Al Golden after 3 years where his win total has increased every year. Thank god you guys aren't running the show, we'd have turnover every 2-3 years.

You're still not paying attention. Last year's wins were against really ****poor teams, our weakest schedule ever. How else can I determine this? Golden had 4 weeks to get ready for UL.

Thank God Al wasn't given 6 weeks to prepare for UL.

Our UL performance is a good indicator of Al Golden. Didn't you think the UL game looked just like his first game against Maryland?

And if I were in charge, he's have NEVER been hired, so there goes your turnover every three years claim.

You guys crack me up, assuming you're thinking of something that no one else has ever thought of. I'm not going to argue strength of schedule for the millionth time to only hear back "ur der those teams ****** sucked bra".

Who would you have hired 3 years ago?

Those teams that were mentioned in the other thread did suck *** tho. You know they did.

Yes, you've changed my opinion by sharing yours. Works every time.

 

[luke137]

This thread is freaking hilarious! The red baboon asses just put it over the top!

You're easily entertained.

Your dog still teach you tricks?

Yes your mom does. Thanks for asking!

Unlike your mom, who practiced birth control by leaving the lights on. Ever figure out which of the carnival workers was your dad?

Apparently he was the man with the world's biggest *******, because his son is gifted! Your mom can testify!

 

[DirtyShirt]

Brought to U buy... Zig Zag ultra thin B.C Bud and Molson's malt liquor 40 oz wife slappa drank. ( IT GOOD)

Correct my ignorrance, not my spelling.

Coker won with Butch's talent? Survay says YES
Coker forgot about the 305 kids? Survay says Yes

COKER FIRED, Fans rejoice and say Radio gonna bring back the glory days. 08 class eryone like ya boy stay out da 305
and when Teddy left we like betta run to Arkansas busta

Then Fat Al comes in sells us on he knows better. Fine PROVE IT. Al aint done SHHIITT and if Miami looses Sept 1 where do I send my FIRE golden banner cake too?

SCHIANO is my pick. AND GO.....

 

[Gamineal]

yea its like felling bad for hitler after a few years...he did fix the roads built schools etc....

Randy FOOKed up this program for years.....YEARS

 

[pyhooya]

Golden just signed the best DT class on paper ever and Chicagnego says DT's don't want to play for Golden and has the gall to say others have an agenda.

Yeah makes total sense buddy.

Stopped reading after "Golden just signed the best DT class on paper ever." Golden could have signed a blow-up doll to play DT in last year's class and it would have been his best haul DT in his tenure at Miami.



Three full seasons and zero improvement on defense tells me all I need to know about Al Golden. I'd love to be wrong, but evidence he is in over his head is overwhelming.

Seriously, how many years do you want to give this guy? If we'd shown improvement along the way I'd be plenty more patient. But the idea that we're trending upward is a joke.

But there have been trends under Al:

You call people who want to give him a chance to prove himself rational. I look at the complete lack of improvement and call those same fans neutered.

Signing Moten and Wyche was a pretty good haul. I'm putting my money on Pierre and either Wyche or Heurtelou to be the starters. We still need drastic improvement at the position, but Moten and Wyche were a **** fine start.

You're right, except it wasn't a start. This was his fourth recruiting class (third if you discount 2011). To say signing a Michael Wyche or Anthony Moten is long overdue is the understatement of the century.

What's absolutely terrifying is that we need Michael Wyche to come in and make a big difference or we are ****ed. That's the position Golden has put this team in.

Win trend under Al Golden:

6 to 7 to 9.

To me -- and this is just to me -- this is TREMENDOUSLY more important than any defensive statistic you put up.

What's truly hilarious about your's and the mope squad's view, is that you want to fire Al Golden after 3 years where his win total has increased every year. Thank god you guys aren't running the show, we'd have turnover every 2-3 years.

You're still not paying attention. Last year's wins were against really ****poor teams, our weakest schedule ever. How else can I determine this? Golden had 4 weeks to get ready for UL.

Thank God Al wasn't given 6 weeks to prepare for UL.

Our UL performance is a good indicator of Al Golden. Didn't you think the UL game looked just like his first game against Maryland?

And if I were in charge, he's have NEVER been hired, so there goes your turnover every three years claim.

You guys crack me up, assuming you're thinking of something that no one else has ever thought of. I'm not going to argue strength of schedule for the millionth time to only hear back "ur der those teams ****** sucked bra".

Who would you have hired 3 years ago?

He wouldnt have ever fired Radio. We would still be stuck with Radio on the sideline looking lost.

 

[BWCD]

He wouldnt have ever fired Radio. We would still be stuck with Radio on the sideline looking lost.

No...Butch. Everyone wants to hire Butch. That's always the answer by anyone wanting to toss Golden off the train these days. That, or Schiano.

 

[chicanego]

Except the 4 that we signed this year. Don't let pesky facts get in the way of your agenda.

We're relying on Corey King and Earl Moore to carry the load next year at that position next year.

We sign three 3* DT's last year and one 4* and suddenly he's absolved for previously failing to recruit this position?

A big reason our defense has been shredded throughout the Golden era (and why we have huge concerns at the position for next year) is that we've failed to recruit difference makers at DT.

Don't let your agenda of slurping anything Golden get in the way of the harsh reality that failing to recruit (and develop) the position for that matter has been a big reason our defense has struggled.

Golden just signed the best DT class on paper ever and Chicagnego says DT's don't want to play for Golden and has the gall to say others have an agenda.

Yeah makes total sense buddy.

Stopped reading after "Golden just signed the best DT class on paper ever." Golden could have signed a blow-up doll to play DT in last year's class and it would have been his best haul DT in his tenure at Miami.

Don't let your agenda of hating on Golden get in the way of understanding that most rational, normal people are waiting to give him a chance to prove himself.

Three full seasons and zero improvement on defense tells me all I need to know about Al Golden. I'd love to be wrong, but evidence he is in over his head is overwhelming.

Seriously, how many years do you want to give this guy? If we'd shown improvement along the way I'd be plenty more patient. But the idea that we're trending upward is a joke.

But there have been trends under Al:

You call people who want to give him a chance to prove himself rational. I look at the complete lack of improvement and call those same fans neutered.

Signing Moten and Wyche was a pretty good haul. I'm putting my money on Pierre and either Wyche or Heurtelou to be the starters. We still need drastic improvement at the position, but Moten and Wyche were a **** fine start.

You're right, except it wasn't a start. This was his fourth recruiting class (third if you discount 2011). To say signing a Michael Wyche or Anthony Moten is long overdue is the understatement of the century.

What's absolutely terrifying is that we need Michael Wyche to come in and make a big difference or we are ****ed. That's the position Golden has put this team in.

Win trend under Al Golden:

6 to 7 to 9.

To me -- and this is just to me -- this is TREMENDOUSLY more important than any defensive statistic you put up.

What's truly hilarious about your's and the mope squad's view, is that you want to fire Al Golden after 3 years where his win total has increased every year. Thank god you guys aren't running the show, we'd have turnover every 2-3 years.

Ah, the 6, 7, 9-win argument. Straight from the KlanAlmighty school of football "analysis."

Completely superficial; only examining the surface of this team's performance under Al Golden.

Nevermind taking strength of schedule or more advanced metrics into account.

Funny how the "mopes" you speak of have at least presented sophisticated and tangible data to present evidence improvement, particularly on the defensive side of the ball, has been non-existent.

You don't even need data to understand this; watch the tape critically and it's obvious.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree on what's constitutes as indicative of Miami's performance.

What I do know is that next season's schedule is tougher. I also know we'll be breaking in a new QB and still have glaring holes at DT (thanks to Golden's inability to recruit the position throughout his first three recruiting classes).

These questions, compounded by a tougher schedule and the fact we haven't improved by most advanced metrics only make using the 6, 7, 9-win rationale as a reason we'll continue that trend only more shallow.

 

[UMFarArcher]

This thread is freaking hilarious! The red baboon asses just put it over the top!

You're easily entertained.

Your dog still teach you tricks?

Yes your mom does. Thanks for asking!

Unlike your mom, who practiced birth control by leaving the lights on. Ever figure out which of the carnival workers was your dad?

Apparently he was the man with the world's biggest *******, because his son is gifted! Your mom can testify!

You want to take this to Moms?

When the artificial insemination clinic has a customer, and they just run down and swab your mother's mouth?

Who invited you in?

 

[UMFarArcher]

He wouldnt have ever fired Radio. We would still be stuck with Radio on the sideline looking lost.

No...Butch. Everyone wants to hire Butch. That's always the answer by anyone wanting to toss Golden off the train these days. That, or Schiano.

Never. Ever. Would have hired Golden. Wrong coaching tree.

Second. Never, EVER would have extended his contract. Until one of these coaches is playing in the NC game three consecutive years, winning two, I'd have a two-year, out-front, rolling contract.

 

[Canesfan1899]

Al is better on gameday than Corch Shannon, but that's not saying much.

Thus far our teams under Golden have shown little inovateness on offense or defense and always seem to be reacting to what the other team is doing. With the athletes available to Golden and company we should have a team built on speed at the skill position and DE and should be dictating what offenses and defenses do.

I'm not willing to wirte off Golden yet, I was done with Shannon much sooner. Golden needs a big year and to get some positive momentum going on the field. He's got all his pillars and what not, now he needs the victories.

 

[Waffle Honcho]

Ah, the 6, 7, 9-win argument. Straight from the KlanAlmighty school of football "analysis."

Completely superficial; only examining the surface of this team's performance under Al Golden.

Nevermind taking strength of schedule or more advanced metrics into account.

Funny how the "mopes" you speak of have at least presented sophisticated and tangible data to present evidence improvement, particularly on the defensive side of the ball, has been non-existent.

You don't even need data to understand this; watch the tape critically and it's obvious.

I guess we'll just agree to disagree on what's constitutes as indicative of Miami's performance.

What I do know is that next season's schedule is tougher. I also know we'll be breaking in a new QB and still have glaring holes at DT (thanks to Golden's inability to recruit the position throughout his first three recruiting classes).

These questions, compounded by a tougher schedule and the fact we haven't improved by most advanced metrics only make using the 6, 7, 9-win rationale as a reason we'll continue that trend only more shallow.

I agree that the defense is atrocious and needs drastic improvement. I think D'Onofrio should've been fired last year. But on the overall picture we are improving as a team. You say DT has glaring holes, what other position on the field can you say that about? He's stockpiled talent all over the field, and has struck out a few times at one position. Give the guy a f'ing break. If the defense is the same as it was last year, and we aren't taking that next step, I'll agree he should be fired. But if we have the last place defense but finish undefeated, I'm not going to care about your advanced metrics.

 

[BWCD]

He wouldnt have ever fired Radio. We would still be stuck with Radio on the sideline looking lost.

No...Butch. Everyone wants to hire Butch. That's always the answer by anyone wanting to toss Golden off the train these days. That, or Schiano.

Never. Ever. Would have hired Golden. Wrong coaching tree.

OK, that's reasonable. That's probably the best reason I've heard someone give for not hiring Golden to begin with, as I think coaching trees are indeed important. Learning defensive principles from Al Groh used to be a good thing in the late 90's/early 2000's, but now as time has gone on and the game has changed a bit--his system hasn't stood the test of time.

I've killed you for bad posts in the past, so here's me giving you credit for a good one. That makes sense.

Second. Never, EVER would have extended his contract. Until one of these coaches is playing in the NC game three consecutive years, winning two, I'd have a two-year, out-front, rolling contract.

I can agree with not extending Golden as far out as we did, but I think when the timing of when we gave him the extension was good. Along with "the cloud", there was tons of uncertainty affecting the recruiting class that season about whether or not Golden would stay...the extension helped land us some guys like Duke, Howard, Bush, Kirby, Malcolm Lewis, Ereck Flowers, Waters, McCord, etc...in that 2012 class. Without that extension, some of those guys wouldn't be on campus right now. Extending him out to 2020 was a bit much--2018 or 2019 would have made more sense with less cash committed.

I have to pick on you for the last part of your post though--if you offered any big-time collegiate coach worth his salt an initial contract of 3 years, then a rolling 2-year contract after that, they'd never take it. Not for all the tea in China. No way, no how. Even Golden, as bad as he's believed by most to be, would balk hard at signing a contract like that...even if he felt he had a bunch to prove. Head Coaches would turn over like hotcakes at IHOP in this program if we tried a stunt like that.

I'll give you credit for wanting to set the bar Saban-high, but until we have a guy that actually takes Miami back up to that echelon where Bama and Saban currently reside...we don't have the stick to swing to make your contract demands happen.

 

[Bigtip]

All I gotta say is, we're not going to be losing to USF any time soon. Al has done some good things since he's been here, I just don't see him winning any crystal balls in his career.

LMAO. yeah you're right. we wont be losing to USF cus we're not playing them anymore.

we'll be getting embarrassed by every decent team we face instead

 

[UMFarArcher]

He wouldnt have ever fired Radio. We would still be stuck with Radio on the sideline looking lost.

No...Butch. Everyone wants to hire Butch. That's always the answer by anyone wanting to toss Golden off the train these days. That, or Schiano.

Never. Ever. Would have hired Golden. Wrong coaching tree.

OK, that's reasonable. That's probably the best reason I've heard someone give for not hiring Golden to begin with, as I think coaching trees are indeed important. Learning defensive principles from Al Groh used to be a good thing in the late 90's/early 2000's, but now as time has gone on and the game has changed a bit--his system hasn't stood the test of time.

I've killed you for bad posts in the past, so here's me giving you credit for a good one. That makes sense.

Second. Never, EVER would have extended his contract. Until one of these coaches is playing in the NC game three consecutive years, winning two, I'd have a two-year, out-front, rolling contract.

I can agree with not extending Golden as far out as we did, but I think when the timing of when we gave him the extension was good. Along with "the cloud", there was tons of uncertainty affecting the recruiting class that season about whether or not Golden would stay...the extension helped land us some guys like Duke, Howard, Bush, Kirby, Malcolm Lewis, Ereck Flowers, Waters, McCord, etc...in that 2012 class. Without that extension, some of those guys wouldn't be on campus right now. Extending him out to 2020 was a bit much--2018 or 2019 would have made more sense with less cash committed.

I have to pick on you for the last part of your post though--if you offered any big-time collegiate coach worth his salt an initial contract of 3 years, then a rolling 2-year contract after that, they'd never take it. Not for all the tea in China. No way, no how. Even Golden, as bad as he's believed by most to be, would balk hard at signing a contract like that...even if he felt he had a bunch to prove. Head Coaches would turn over like hotcakes at IHOP in this program if we tried a stunt like that.

I'll give you credit for wanting to set the bar Saban-high, but until we have a guy that actually takes Miami back up to that echelon where Bama and Saban currently reside...we don't have the stick to swing to make your contract demands happen.

You have two years on a contract, and now you add a rolling two-year, and that's not too bad, but if you gotta get rid of a coach, you're not looking into the next century. And if one wishes, to sweeten the deal if he's planning on leaving, you do a bonus.

It's not like Golden isn't making any money, and it's not like Golden has a sihtload of top offers.

Sometimes, you bite the bullet, pony up the cash, and get a winning coach.