I'm Torn

[Cane Dynasty]

We still cant win a LOS battle. Thats what bothers me the most.

Golden is a used car salesman. And I like him. He weathered the storm, fine thanks for your service. Miami has be a fraud for quite some time.

Donnugh will never let Butch coach here again. Call Schiano ASAP

Source?

 

[hoover437]

I'm torn between Radio's first four years, and what Golden's first four years will be. To date, it's looking like they're neck and neck, but I'm giving the win to Radio since he at least had a hint of a defense.

On game day - Randy had the thousand yard stare, and Golden while not staring, seems unable to catch up to the game.

Recruiting is tanking, as these young guys aren't stupid, and can see what's going on. We're losing all the top recruits to other 'winning' programs. How many four stars does Bama have? 12? 14?

Where as this coaching staff has some deficiencies, it is as a whole a superior coaching staff and operation compared to Randy's tenure here. We've moved the program forward facilities wise, the talent level here is by far superior now than it was when Randy left. The 2009, 2010 classes were an embarassment. Remember Randy played in this weak *** coastal too and didn't do ****... I fault Golden for many things like playing guys such as AJ Highsmith, Jimmy Gaines & KC Rodgers over others who were young but physically more capable of doing what was asked. I blame him for Dorito & Jethro. I blame him for being stubborn & not providing a defensive scheme which is suitable for our local talent base. Where I blame Randy, he took the already crashed ferrari, turned it into Geo Prism & set that **** on fire while on cruise control. Donna is as much to blame for allowing it to happen.

In a head 2 head comparison though, Golden is by far a superior coach & administrator over Randy.

Good comments. I agree he's a far superior administrator than Randy, but Randy never. Ever. Had such a crappy defensive scheme.

I still can't decide.

You talking the randy that got throttle 480-0 to a mediocre Virginia game in the last EVER in the Orange bowl. That right there is the equivalent of finish with the bad ranking this administration has had to deal with, defection by starters and key back-up without any notice. The NCAA holding the team hostage for 3 flipping YEARS. If you all can't see that, not sure what to say. I was all for Randy even after that abortion until the Virginia game, where Stephen's red-shirt was burned. He would not have flown back with the team, if I was AD.

 

[poncho0091]

I'm torn between Radio's first four years, and what Golden's first four years will be. To date, it's looking like they're neck and neck, but I'm giving the win to Radio since he at least had a hint of a defense.

On game day - Randy had the thousand yard stare, and Golden while not staring, seems unable to catch up to the game.

Recruiting is tanking, as these young guys aren't stupid, and can see what's going on. We're losing all the top recruits to other 'winning' programs. How many four stars does Bama have? 12? 14?

Where as this coaching staff has some deficiencies, it is as a whole a superior coaching staff and operation compared to Randy's tenure here. We've moved the program forward facilities wise, the talent level here is by far superior now than it was when Randy left. The 2009, 2010 classes were an embarassment. Remember Randy played in this weak *** coastal too and didn't do ****... I fault Golden for many things like playing guys such as AJ Highsmith, Jimmy Gaines & KC Rodgers over others who were young but physically more capable of doing what was asked. I blame him for Dorito & Jethro. I blame him for being stubborn & not providing a defensive scheme which is suitable for our local talent base. Where I blame Randy, he took the already crashed ferrari, turned it into Geo Prism & set that **** on fire while on cruise control. Donna is as much to blame for allowing it to happen.

In a head 2 head comparison though, Golden is by far a superior coach & administrator over Randy.

Good comments. I agree he's a far superior administrator than Randy, but Randy never. Ever. Had such a crappy defensive scheme.

I still can't decide.

You talking the randy that got throttle 480-0 to a mediocre Virginia game in the last EVER in the Orange bowl. That right there is the equivalent of finish with the bad ranking this administration has had to deal with, defection by starters and key back-up without any notice. The NCAA holding the team hostage for 3 flipping YEARS. If you all can't see that, not sure what to say. I was all for Randy even after that abortion until the Virginia game, where Stephen's red-shirt was burned. He would not have flown back with the team, if I was AD.

The 48-0 thing, while not acceptable, was also in Randy's first year as HC. That team was lacking talent and depth just like the team Golden inherited (except there was some talent, just no depth). Even with that, Randy's defense as a whole was still better than Golden's. While looking like crap is not acceptable, it happens sometimes. It's less acceptable when we look like crap every game.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Give me the used car salesman over the lot porter

 

[bransuperpower]

I take golden at HC & randy at DC then EVERYONE will be happy

 

[gfer1988]

but we were completely offensively challenged under shannon.

I'm torn between Radio's first four years, and what Golden's first four years will be. To date, it's looking like they're neck and neck, but I'm giving the win to Radio since he at least had a hint of a defense.

On game day - Randy had the thousand yard stare, and Golden while not staring, seems unable to catch up to the game.

Recruiting is tanking, as these young guys aren't stupid, and can see what's going on. We're losing all the top recruits to other 'winning' programs. How many four stars does Bama have? 12? 14?

Where as this coaching staff has some deficiencies, it is as a whole a superior coaching staff and operation compared to Randy's tenure here. We've moved the program forward facilities wise, the talent level here is by far superior now than it was when Randy left. The 2009, 2010 classes were an embarassment. Remember Randy played in this weak *** coastal too and didn't do ****... I fault Golden for many things like playing guys such as AJ Highsmith, Jimmy Gaines & KC Rodgers over others who were young but physically more capable of doing what was asked. I blame him for Dorito & Jethro. I blame him for being stubborn & not providing a defensive scheme which is suitable for our local talent base. Where I blame Randy, he took the already crashed ferrari, turned it into Geo Prism & set that **** on fire while on cruise control. Donna is as much to blame for allowing it to happen.

In a head 2 head comparison though, Golden is by far a superior coach & administrator over Randy.

Good comments. I agree he's a far superior administrator than Randy, but Randy never. Ever. Had such a crappy defensive scheme.

I still can't decide.

 

[lauderdaleballer]

I'm torn between Radio's first four years, and what Golden's first four years will be. To date, it's looking like they're neck and neck, but I'm giving the win to Radio since he at least had a hint of a defense.

On game day - Randy had the thousand yard stare, and Golden while not staring, seems unable to catch up to the game.

Recruiting is tanking, as these young guys aren't stupid, and can see what's going on. We're losing all the top recruits to other 'winning' programs. How many four stars does Bama have? 12? 14?

Where as this coaching staff has some deficiencies, it is as a whole a superior coaching staff and operation compared to Randy's tenure here. We've moved the program forward facilities wise, the talent level here is by far superior now than it was when Randy left. The 2009, 2010 classes were an embarassment. Remember Randy played in this weak *** coastal too and didn't do ****... I fault Golden for many things like playing guys such as AJ Highsmith, Jimmy Gaines & KC Rodgers over others who were young but physically more capable of doing what was asked. I blame him for Dorito & Jethro. I blame him for being stubborn & not providing a defensive scheme which is suitable for our local talent base. Where I blame Randy, he took the already crashed ferrari, turned it into Geo Prism & set that **** on fire while on cruise control. Donna is as much to blame for allowing it to happen.

In a head 2 head comparison though, Golden is by far a superior coach & administrator over Randy.

Good comments. I agree he's a far superior administrator than Randy, but Randy never. Ever. Had such a crappy defensive scheme.

I still can't decide.

You talking the randy that got throttle 480-0 to a mediocre Virginia game in the last EVER in the Orange bowl. That right there is the equivalent of finish with the bad ranking this administration has had to deal with, defection by starters and key back-up without any notice. The NCAA holding the team hostage for 3 flipping YEARS. If you all can't see that, not sure what to say. I was all for Randy even after that abortion until the Virginia game, where Stephen's red-shirt was burned. He would not have flown back with the team, if I was AD.

That was a horrible game... I remember an interview with Benny Blades that night... He looked like he wanted to fight that night... He was restraining himself from going off due to the embarrassment... That being said, that wasnt a mediocre UVA squad... They were in contention for the ACC game until the last 2 games... I believe they won like 9 games and like I said earlier the coastal was a lot tougher... And that 07 team was worse than 2011 squad... We had a qb who went 1-14 in a game and another qb who finally matured only to be injured all year and despite a few beat downs to good squads were still better defensively... Terez McCray was like a 280 lb DT and was light-years better than what we have witnessed the past 4 years...

That being said his failures during his 4th year is what did him in, such UVA game(you referenced earlier), FSU, USF, VT, and OSU game... However, in their first 3 years on the job AG hasn't done much better than RS... The NCAA was a cloud but it had no affect on our on field production... I mean RS had his clouds and obstacles... The media perceived violence at the U was a cloud... The brawl, Pata's murder, ST's murder, and Willie Cooper being shot and Merriweather shooting back in defense... Those issues scared parents... However none of that contributed to his on field failures...

 

[Spookcane]

+ 1 for Randy for taking the time to recruit Miami Central High. Oh wait...

+1 for Golden for taking the time to recruit DT's. Oh wait...

/Oh, he recruits them and nobody wants to play for him.

I actually totally agree with you...he has whiffed at DT. Sux for us. But at the very least...I'm talking very very very least, a UM coach has at least been seen on Central's campus the past few years.

A coach has been on their campus the past few years, and fsu got the best last year, and will get the best this year. almost seems like a wash.

west,
What players are you referring we are getting from Central this year bra?
Brewton and Phillips are both FSu locks.
Is it Silva? or some hidden gems?
Im curious to know my ninja!

 

[BWCD]

I take golden at HC & randy at DC then EVERYONE will be happy

This. Randy's a good DC, but a sh1tty HC. Golden's married to keeping NoDFrio as DC, but if he were to have to make a change at DC to keep his HC job--and that change was Randy Shannon--it wouldn't be bad at all.

You've got to realize that it's a give and take though--under Randy, we couldn't cover running QB's. We stayed in man all the time, and never kept a spy on a mobile running QB. I think we all complained about that on more than one occasion, and it cost us ballgames when he was both DC and HC. One mutual problem that NoD and Randy's defenses have are covering the TE...it's an Achilles heel for both of them.

 

[niner]

The butt hurt crew out in full force.. Only thing Archer has torn is his asss.

 

[FG305]

+ 1 for Randy for taking the time to recruit Miami Central High. Oh wait...

+1 for Golden for taking the time to recruit DT's. Oh wait...

/Oh, he recruits them and nobody wants to play for him.

I actually totally agree with you...he has whiffed at DT. Sux for us. But at the very least...I'm talking very very very least, a UM coach has at least been seen on Central's campus the past few years.

A coach has been on their campus the past few years, and fsu got the best last year, and will get the best this year. almost seems like a wash.

west,
What players are you referring we are getting from Central this year bra?
Brewton and Phillips are both FSu locks.
Is it Silva? or some hidden gems?
Im curious to know my ninja!

+1 I'm curious about who he's specifically talking about. Brewton is already committed to FSU and Phillips is committed to Cook

 

[poncho0091]

I'm torn between Radio's first four years, and what Golden's first four years will be. To date, it's looking like they're neck and neck, but I'm giving the win to Radio since he at least had a hint of a defense.

On game day - Randy had the thousand yard stare, and Golden while not staring, seems unable to catch up to the game.

Recruiting is tanking, as these young guys aren't stupid, and can see what's going on. We're losing all the top recruits to other 'winning' programs. How many four stars does Bama have? 12? 14?

Where as this coaching staff has some deficiencies, it is as a whole a superior coaching staff and operation compared to Randy's tenure here. We've moved the program forward facilities wise, the talent level here is by far superior now than it was when Randy left. The 2009, 2010 classes were an embarassment. Remember Randy played in this weak *** coastal too and didn't do ****... I fault Golden for many things like playing guys such as AJ Highsmith, Jimmy Gaines & KC Rodgers over others who were young but physically more capable of doing what was asked. I blame him for Dorito & Jethro. I blame him for being stubborn & not providing a defensive scheme which is suitable for our local talent base. Where I blame Randy, he took the already crashed ferrari, turned it into Geo Prism & set that **** on fire while on cruise control. Donna is as much to blame for allowing it to happen.

In a head 2 head comparison though, Golden is by far a superior coach & administrator over Randy.

Good comments. I agree he's a far superior administrator than Randy, but Randy never. Ever. Had such a crappy defensive scheme.

I still can't decide.

You talking the randy that got throttle 480-0 to a mediocre Virginia game in the last EVER in the Orange bowl. That right there is the equivalent of finish with the bad ranking this administration has had to deal with, defection by starters and key back-up without any notice. The NCAA holding the team hostage for 3 flipping YEARS. If you all can't see that, not sure what to say. I was all for Randy even after that abortion until the Virginia game, where Stephen's red-shirt was burned. He would not have flown back with the team, if I was AD.

That was a horrible game... I remember an interview with Benny Blades that night... He looked like he wanted to fight that night... He was restraining himself from going off due to the embarrassment... That being said, that wasnt a mediocre UVA squad... They were in contention for the ACC game until the last 2 games... I believe they won like 9 games and like I said earlier the coastal was a lot tougher... And that 07 team was worse than 2011 squad... We had a qb who went 1-14 in a game and another qb who finally matured only to be injured all year and despite a few beat downs to good squads were still better defensively... Terez McCray was like a 280 lb DT and was light-years better than what we have witnessed the past 4 years...

That being said his failures during his 4th year is what did him in, such UVA game(you referenced earlier), FSU, USF, VT, and OSU game... However, in their first 3 years on the job AG hasn't done much better than RS... The NCAA was a cloud but it had no affect on our on field production... I mean RS had his clouds and obstacles... The media perceived violence at the U was a cloud... The brawl, Pata's murder, ST's murder, and Willie Cooper being shot and Merriweather shooting back in defense... Those issues scared parents... However none of that contributed to his on field failures...

**** you hit the nail on the head here. People seem to forget it wasn't all peaches and cream when Randy took over. The **** randy dealt with might not have been as bad as the cloud, but considering Randy's overall weaknesses in recruiting, he did a pretty good job of convincing parents that Miami was not Thug U.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

+1 for wandy giving us a 3 yr investigation and FSUs best teams ever. Oh wait. Regardless i cant wait to see a new HC next yr

lol@ This ******* douche bag what are you 15 years old? Randy one of the ONLY people who saw Shapiro for what he was and didnt want ANYONE having anything todo with him.....




Oh yea, and Randys teams ATLEAST beat FSU.....ALF is gonna be 0-4 this year vs our Rival

 

[ScubaCane]

The sad thing is and what should scare every Hurricane fan is that this is an actual debate. We hired a guy who may not be better than Randy Shannon, I didn't think that was possible.

 

[Gables Cane]

Shannon never lost to Duke

Nope. But, he did lose to South Florida. I'd take a coconut over Shannon.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

The NCAA was a cloud but it had no affect on our on field production..

How anyone can think that having players suspended( you know ACTUALLY MISSING GAMES), having bowl bans, threat of death penalty looming doesn't affect ON FIELD RESULTS is unimaginable and just plain dumb.

On top of all that, Golden was dealing with an as ***ed up roster with 2 duds at QB, no depth, no real high caliber talent except for 2-3 players and I'm being generous here, AND HE STILL HAS A BETTER OVER ALL RECORD than SHANNON during the same time span.
And save the coastal being better during Shannon's era and that Pata's murder or ST's murder was a cloud. That's straight up BS right there. Only cloud was SHannon himself.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

I take golden at HC & randy at DC then EVERYONE will be happy

Why would you want a guy that can't land a DC gig anywhere to be the DC at Miami?

 

[CaneAlmighty]

+1 for wandy giving us a 3 yr investigation and FSUs best teams ever. Oh wait. Regardless i cant wait to see a new HC next yr

lol@ This ****ing douche bag what are you 15 years old? Randy one of the ONLY people who saw Shapiro for what he was and didnt want ANYONE having anything todo with him.....




Oh yea, and Randys teams ATLEAST beat FSU.....ALF is gonna be 0-4 this year vs our Rival

So you saying no one paid attention to Randy?

Case Closed.

 

[DHucks]

 

[niner]

+1 for wandy giving us a 3 yr investigation and FSUs best teams ever. Oh wait. Regardless i cant wait to see a new HC next yr

lol@ This ****ing douche bag what are you 15 years old? Randy one of the ONLY people who saw Shapiro for what he was and didnt want ANYONE having anything todo with him.....




Oh yea, and Randys teams ATLEAST beat FSU.....ALF is gonna be 0-4 this year vs our Rival

So you saying no one paid attention to Randy?

Case Closed.

Did Shannon even fire Hurtt?