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How many elite players are really on this team?

You don't need elite talent all over the field to win games. The talent isn't there to compete for a NC probably but plenty to beat VT, Duke, and not get embarrassed by Louisville.

Honestly the Ds scheme and philosophy is the worst I've ever seen. A defensive player is never going to look good in it. If things don't change we are going to make AQM look like a mediocre player
 
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I'll just keep repeating myself: Once again, not saying that you can't win with decent players because schools like UCF, Auburn and Louisville have, but the reality is there are a lot of players who wouldn't see the field at other schools who are starting here. The coaching is another issue that I feel does play a big part in the performances, but I just wanted to gage the responses for how good this team really is
 
Tito Benach said:
I'll say it again just to clarify, I think the poor performances are due to: lack of elite talent and poor coaching on some ends.
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You clowns crack me up. You don't need elite talent to beat teams that don't have elite talent. And you certainly don't need elite talent to avoid being humiliated by teams that don't have elite talent.

Quit trying to appear smart and reasonable by doing the "it's the players and coaches" dance. Charlie Strong annihilated Al and Company yesterday.
 
CaneCounty said:
Better question is how many elite players does it take to win the coastal?

How many elite players does DUKE have? How many elite players does VT have?
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We have more overall talent then both.

Luckily for us I guess, we should be more talented next year then this year. We are never going to out coach anyone so we better out class them in talent.
 
Yesterday's game was not a talent issue. It was Teddy Bridgewater, who is an elite quarterback, exposing our clueless defense. And our offense has not been able to establish its identity post Duke Johnson injury.
 
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AG is gonna get 2 more years no matter how you spin it, unless he leaves for State penn!!! He needs to replace some coaches now to setup 2015!! 2015 with aggressive D coor. and depth should bear more fruit.
 
The Franchise said:
Tito Benach said:
I'll say it again just to clarify, I think the poor performances are due to: lack of elite talent and poor coaching on some ends.
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You clowns crack me up. You don't need elite talent to beat teams that don't have elite talent. And you certainly don't need elite talent to avoid being humiliated by teams that don't have elite talent.

Quit trying to appear smart and reasonable by doing the "it's the players and coaches" dance. Charlie Strong annihilated Al and Company yesterday.
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It is the UM administration in their ears. Guaranteed.

As everyone else said, we had enough talent on the roster to beat every team on our schedule except FSU. Like I said, this thread is ******* stupid.
 
Tito Benach said:
I'll just keep repeating myself: Once again, not saying that you can't win with decent players because schools like UCF, Auburn and Louisville have, but the reality is there are a lot of players who wouldn't see the field at other schools who are starting here. The coaching is another issue that I feel does play a big part in the performances, but I just wanted to gage the responses for how good this team really is
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Next year that shouldn't be an issue (Goldens 4th year). If things don't change schematically we are going to see the same things as this year.

IMO it's hard to judge talent when guys aren't put in position to succeed. Perryman in Louisville D would be a terror, here he looks average. Louisville would love to have our CBs. And so on.
 
Tito Benach said:
I'll just keep repeating myself: Once again, not saying that you can't win with decent players because schools like UCF, Auburn and Louisville have, but the reality is there are a lot of players who wouldn't see the field at other schools who are starting here. The coaching is another issue that I feel does play a big part in the performances, but I just wanted to gage the responses for how good this team really is
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Alpo has had 3 years to replace Highsmith and Rodgers. That's on him.
 
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BoxingRobes said:
The team has a few studs on it...you'd be hard pressed to find many college football teams that didn't have a few studs on them though, especially at the high end FBS level. This team lacks anything after the few studs though. Its a team of a few studs (most of which are very young and make their fair share of mistakes) and 70 other JAGS. You also have a coaching staff that don't know how to use the talent they do have so it makes the JAGS look worse than they are.
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Biggest load of bull****.

McCord
AQM
Bush
Burns
Howard
Grace
Duke
Coley
Flowers
Jenkins
Chick

Thats off the top of my head of players Saban, Meyer, Strong, Jimbo and other top coaches wanted. Thats plenty of talent to not look like **** against WF, UNC, VT, Duke and UL. Just because Golden and staff don't know how to develop players or put them in a position to succeed doesn't mean we don't have elite players or difference makers.

You had AQM covering the ******* slot receiver. GTFO if you think talent is the problem
 
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NVA CANE said:
BoxingRobes said:
The team has a few studs on it...you'd be hard pressed to find many college football teams that didn't have a few studs on them though, especially at the high end FBS level. This team lacks anything after the few studs though. Its a team of a few studs (most of which are very young and make their fair share of mistakes) and 70 other JAGS. You also have a coaching staff that don't know how to use the talent they do have so it makes the JAGS look worse than they are.
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Biggest load of bull****.

McCord
AQM
Bush
Burns
Howard
Grace
Duke
Coley
Flowers
Jenkins
Chick

Thats off the top of my head of players Saban, Meyer, Strong, Jimbo and other top coaches wanted. Thats plenty of talent to not look like **** against WF, UNC, VT, Duke and UL.
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MOAR EXCUSES
 
elite talent is kinda subjective , with our schedule we had 11-1 talent but through coaching we sit at 9-4
 
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The Franchise said:
Tito Benach said:
I'll say it again just to clarify, I think the poor performances are due to: lack of elite talent and poor coaching on some ends.
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You clowns crack me up. You don't need elite talent to beat teams that don't have elite talent. And you certainly don't need elite talent to avoid being humiliated by teams that don't have elite talent.

Quit trying to appear smart and reasonable by doing the "it's the players and coaches" dance. Charlie Strong annihilated Al and Company yesterday.
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This.
 
What I don't understand is that 80-85% of our players were wanted by othr major programs including FSU, Bama, OSU, UF. How come only a handful at best have progressed or shown signs of development? I understand not every kid pans out but we have an awful lot of JAGS or guys who stay the same or go backwards. That is coaching/development and that is our biggest problem. Do we have a roser like Bama/FSU rght now? No! But we he have players others coveted.
 
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Tito Benach said:
So than let me ask this, is it the scheme defensively that's the issue? or the coaching?
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We have hired essentially the same coach three straight times. I would say we have issues as a program that run deeper than defensive coaching or talent.

As to yesterday specifically, the head man in charge failed hard to get his entire team ready for the first bowl game in 2 years. You can infer from that what the problem there is.
 
kendallcanes said:
Yesterday's game was not a talent issue. It was Teddy Bridgewater, who is an elite quarterback, exposing our clueless defense. And our offense has not been able to establish its identity post Duke Johnson injury.
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Identity is a football guru term. Meaningless. We couldn't block Loserville yesterday because we had no answers for their stand-up pressure attack on 3rd down and we gave much less effort than Loserville, which is an indictment of Corch Alpo. Alpo didn't have his team ready, and his OC had no answers for the confusion Strong created defensively. Our defense is a hopeless toilet.
 
Tito Benach said:
So than let me ask this, is it the scheme defensively that's the issue? or the coaching?
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Both IMO.

The scheme is way too passive. Also doesn't allow some of our most explosive players to be on the field. That's scheme.

Coaching. After 3 years we still have guys blowing assignment constantly. They don't tackle all that well. Take poor angles. That is poor coaching.

The fact that we continue to blow assignments and constantly give up 500 yards of offense every game and have not adjusted anything is also poor coaching.

Complete failure in all aspects on that side of the ball.
 
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