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All the backups across the country couldn't beat out the starters last year. If you believe that a guy who was a backup last year can't be any good this year because he didn't beat out the under-performing starter last year, then college football would be a worse product year by year.

But, that isn't true, is it? Guys improve. Most of them perform better later in their college careers.
 
Here's the thing....none of our Sr's last yr were going to loose out on their jobs on either side of the ball. Golden felt like he owed the Sr's something for hanging in here w/ the whole NCAA debacle. Do you really think Cornelius was better than Kirby or Shayon was better than McCord or AQM? Hightower better than Carter or Bush? Of course not...w/ Morris, he came in as a preseason Heisman Candidate. He was supposed to be the "next great" here at UM; couple that with the fact that he was a Sr and there was no way he was losing his job.
Williams could've been lights out in practice and he would not have sniffed the field. We don't need a gun slinger on this team; Morris had all of the abilities in the world, but upstairs he just didn't get it. If Williams provided us w/ 2800 yards passing w/ 20Tds and 3ints, I'm good w/ those numbers. If he provides us w/ a 50% conversion rating on 3rd downs and 80% scoring pct in the redzone, I'm good w/ those numbers. If he keeps the O on the field for 35-38mins of the game, I'm good w/ that. What I don't want to see is 3500yrds, 25TDs w/ 20ints, 36% 3rd conversions, 60% Redzone scoring and our D on the field 35-38mins of the game.
 
Rellyrell said:
Here's the thing....none of our Sr's last yr were going to loose out on their jobs on either side of the ball. Golden felt like he owed the Sr's something for hanging in here w/ the whole NCAA debacle. Do you really think Cornelius was better than Kirby or Shayon was better than McCord or AQM? Hightower better than Carter or Bush? Of course not...w/ Morris, he came in as a preseason Heisman Candidate. He was supposed to be the "next great" here at UM; couple that with the fact that he was a Sr and there was no way he was losing his job.
Williams could've been lights out in practice and he would not have sniffed the field. We don't need a gun slinger on this team; Morris had all of the abilities in the world, but upstairs he just didn't get it. If Williams provided us w/ 2800 yards passing w/ 20Tds and 3ints, I'm good w/ those numbers. If he provides us w/ a 50% conversion rating on 3rd downs and 80% scoring pct in the redzone, I'm good w/ those numbers. If he keeps the O on the field for 35-38mins of the game, I'm good w/ that. What I don't want to see is 3500yrds, 25TDs w/ 20ints, 36% 3rd conversions, 60% Redzone scoring and our D on the field 35-38mins of the game.
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welcome to CIS...well done!!
 
Gamineal said:
Rellyrell said:
Here's the thing....none of our Sr's last yr were going to loose out on their jobs on either side of the ball. Golden felt like he owed the Sr's something for hanging in here w/ the whole NCAA debacle. Do you really think Cornelius was better than Kirby or Shayon was better than McCord or AQM? Hightower better than Carter or Bush? Of course not...w/ Morris, he came in as a preseason Heisman Candidate. He was supposed to be the "next great" here at UM; couple that with the fact that he was a Sr and there was no way he was losing his job.
Williams could've been lights out in practice and he would not have sniffed the field. We don't need a gun slinger on this team; Morris had all of the abilities in the world, but upstairs he just didn't get it. If Williams provided us w/ 2800 yards passing w/ 20Tds and 3ints, I'm good w/ those numbers. If he provides us w/ a 50% conversion rating on 3rd downs and 80% scoring pct in the redzone, I'm good w/ those numbers. If he keeps the O on the field for 35-38mins of the game, I'm good w/ that. What I don't want to see is 3500yrds, 25TDs w/ 20ints, 36% 3rd conversions, 60% Redzone scoring and our D on the field 35-38mins of the game.
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welcome to CIS...well done!!
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Thank you sir....this is my favorite Canes sight by far. Thee most informative and I really appreciate the feedback by a lot of guys/gals on here.
 
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I refused to believe that Golden were loyal to the seniors because of the NCAA situation... Just about all of the reserves we are clamouring for played but showed little consistency to be starters... Yes Cornelious was better than Kirby at the moment(kid hasn't done anything yet)... AQM and McCord are talented players but they are still raw... You knew what you were getting with both players as far as consistency... That being said, that doesn't mean that this year there wouldn't be a progression... It just means they weren't ready at the moment...

If Golden did what many of you all are asserting then it's an indictment on him as a coach... If you have the opportunity to be better you don't stagnate your organization with favoritism in order to appease a few members because there are more negatives than positives...

Favoritism contradicts the entire premise of competition... If the players feel they are not getting a shot then the morale of the team suffers and division arises... Golden is not promoting favoritism. He played the most "ready" players he had a available.

I don't think Williams is better... I don't think he's this ultimate game manager. I think he's an average qb... He has been here for 4 years and hasn't been mentioned by anyone as the best qb on the team during his tenure. It has all been assumptions and a bit of wishful thinking regarding his performance... That being said, anything can happen this upcoming year... Whatever happened in the past is irrelevant if he balls out this year.. I just don't think Golden was loyal to anyone, I think he played who he felt was more efficient... He found a way to relegate Henderson and he relegated Duke in practice for fumbling... If the back ups were better they would have started... Al's actions totally contradict the popular assessment of our coaching staff by our fanbase... I mean, why didn't Cain get any burn... I mean that did show glimpses of talent at times throughout his tenure... Wheeler wasn't a starter either...
 
lauderdaleballer said:
I refused to believe that Golden were loyal to the seniors because of the NCAA situation... Just about all of the reserves we are clamouring for played but showed little consistency to be starters... Yes Cornelious was better than Kirby at the moment(kid hasn't done anything yet)... AQM and McCord are talented players but they are still raw... You knew what you were getting with both players as far as consistency... That being said, that doesn't mean that this year there wouldn't be a progression... It just means they weren't ready at the moment...

If Golden did what many of you all are asserting then it's an indictment on him as a coach... If you have the opportunity to be better you don't stagnate your organization with favoritism in order to appease a few members because there are more negatives than positives...

Favoritism contradicts the entire premise of competition... If the players feel they are not getting a shot then the morale of the team suffers and division arises... Golden is not promoting favoritism. He played the most "ready" players he had a available.

I don't think Williams is better... I don't think he's this ultimate game manager. I think he's an average qb... He has been here for 4 years and hasn't been mentioned by anyone as the best qb on the team during his tenure. It has all been assumptions and a bit of wishful thinking regarding his performance... That being said, anything can happen this upcoming year... Whatever happened in the past is irrelevant if he balls out this year.. I just don't think Golden was loyal to anyone, I think he played who he felt was more efficient... He found a way to relegate Henderson and he relegated Duke in practice for fumbling... If the back ups were better they would have started... Al's actions totally contradict the popular assessment of our coaching staff by our fanbase... I mean, why didn't Cain get any burn... I mean that did show glimpses of talent at times throughout his tenure... Wheeler wasn't a starter either...
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if 5% of what you said is true we are ****ed.....we all had our hopes on Golden playing all ****** players why the better ones sat on the bench waiting for this year....
 
Gamineal, I don't know if you'll being sarcastic or not haha... However, I do think my assessment may be more logical... It's not a good sign for any coach to play an inferior player for any reason... I would hope my opinion is right because it'll just state that the players on the bench were not ready... If its the popular assessment of seniority then we are in for some trouble... No good will ever come from that... It's contradicts the team's hard work model and "trust the process" mantra...
 
Rellyrell said:
Here's the thing....none of our Sr's last yr were going to loose out on their jobs on either side of the ball. Golden felt like he owed the Sr's something for hanging in here w/ the whole NCAA debacle. Do you really think Cornelius was better than Kirby or Shayon was better than McCord or AQM? Hightower better than Carter or Bush? Of course not...w/ Morris, he came in as a preseason Heisman Candidate. He was supposed to be the "next great" here at UM; couple that with the fact that he was a Sr and there was no way he was losing his job.
Williams could've been lights out in practice and he would not have sniffed the field. We don't need a gun slinger on this team; Morris had all of the abilities in the world, but upstairs he just didn't get it. If Williams provided us w/ 2800 yards passing w/ 20Tds and 3ints, I'm good w/ those numbers. If he provides us w/ a 50% conversion rating on 3rd downs and 80% scoring pct in the redzone, I'm good w/ those numbers. If he keeps the O on the field for 35-38mins of the game, I'm good w/ that. What I don't want to see is 3500yrds, 25TDs w/ 20ints, 36% 3rd conversions, 60% Redzone scoring and our D on the field 35-38mins of the game.
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You think Golden is dumb enough to leave his better players on the bench? No coach does that.
 
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Some of his teammates have called him sloth Williams......that was awhile back, but lol. Dudes not very good compared to Other above average/elite quarterbacks at high level d-1 schools. Morris was/is better than him. There's a reason why Diabeetus gut and James cole world had Morris starting even though he could barely put pressure. Are people using blind faith/optimism to justify why Ryan MUST be better than stemo800? Olsen or Kaaya will eventually start next season, and not because of an injury to Williams........
 
LEmeyers said:
Rellyrell said:
Here's the thing....none of our Sr's last yr were going to loose out on their jobs on either side of the ball. Golden felt like he owed the Sr's something for hanging in here w/ the whole NCAA debacle. Do you really think Cornelius was better than Kirby or Shayon was better than McCord or AQM? Hightower better than Carter or Bush? Of course not...w/ Morris, he came in as a preseason Heisman Candidate. He was supposed to be the "next great" here at UM; couple that with the fact that he was a Sr and there was no way he was losing his job.
Williams could've been lights out in practice and he would not have sniffed the field. We don't need a gun slinger on this team; Morris had all of the abilities in the world, but upstairs he just didn't get it. If Williams provided us w/ 2800 yards passing w/ 20Tds and 3ints, I'm good w/ those numbers. If he provides us w/ a 50% conversion rating on 3rd downs and 80% scoring pct in the redzone, I'm good w/ those numbers. If he keeps the O on the field for 35-38mins of the game, I'm good w/ that. What I don't want to see is 3500yrds, 25TDs w/ 20ints, 36% 3rd conversions, 60% Redzone scoring and our D on the field 35-38mins of the game.
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You think Golden is dumb enough to leave his better players on the bench? No coach does that.
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UMMM, I guess you're not that die hard of a Cane's fan, b/c if you were, you would know that Golden admitted HIMSELF that he felt like he owed that Sr class something since they had been here since day 1 and they sacrificed to stay here w/ the U. That's the ONLY reason why the upper classmen got the nod. Golden tried to be a fair guy, but now, everyone on this roster are his products. I firmly believe the best players, period will play regardless of class status.
 
lauderdaleballer said:
I refused to believe that Golden were loyal to the seniors because of the NCAA situation... Just about all of the reserves we are clamouring for played but showed little consistency to be starters... Yes Cornelious was better than Kirby at the moment(kid hasn't done anything yet)... AQM and McCord are talented players but they are still raw... You knew what you were getting with both players as far as consistency... That being said, that doesn't mean that this year there wouldn't be a progression... It just means they weren't ready at the moment...

If Golden did what many of you all are asserting then it's an indictment on him as a coach... If you have the opportunity to be better you don't stagnate your organization with favoritism in order to appease a few members because there are more negatives than positives...

Favoritism contradicts the entire premise of competition... If the players feel they are not getting a shot then the morale of the team suffers and division arises... Golden is not promoting favoritism. He played the most "ready" players he had a available.

I don't think Williams is better... I don't think he's this ultimate game manager. I think he's an average qb... He has been here for 4 years and hasn't been mentioned by anyone as the best qb on the team during his tenure. It has all been assumptions and a bit of wishful thinking regarding his performance... That being said, anything can happen this upcoming year... Whatever happened in the past is irrelevant if he balls out this year.. I just don't think Golden was loyal to anyone, I think he played who he felt was more efficient... He found a way to relegate Henderson and he relegated Duke in practice for fumbling... If the back ups were better they would have started... Al's actions totally contradict the popular assessment of our coaching staff by our fanbase... I mean, why didn't Cain get any burn... I mean that did show glimpses of talent at times throughout his tenure... Wheeler wasn't a starter either...
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who cares what you "refuse" to believe, the fact is Golden on several channels admitted he felt like he owed this Senior Class. Plain and simple, he was doing them bums a favor for sticking with us. Those guys weren't his guys. the 12, 13, and 14 guys are all his and I firmly believe that crap won't happen this year. Bank on it. The best will play....
 
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Rellyrell said:
LEmeyers said:
Rellyrell said:
Here's the thing....none of our Sr's last yr were going to loose out on their jobs on either side of the ball. Golden felt like he owed the Sr's something for hanging in here w/ the whole NCAA debacle. Do you really think Cornelius was better than Kirby or Shayon was better than McCord or AQM? Hightower better than Carter or Bush? Of course not...w/ Morris, he came in as a preseason Heisman Candidate. He was supposed to be the "next great" here at UM; couple that with the fact that he was a Sr and there was no way he was losing his job.
Williams could've been lights out in practice and he would not have sniffed the field. We don't need a gun slinger on this team; Morris had all of the abilities in the world, but upstairs he just didn't get it. If Williams provided us w/ 2800 yards passing w/ 20Tds and 3ints, I'm good w/ those numbers. If he provides us w/ a 50% conversion rating on 3rd downs and 80% scoring pct in the redzone, I'm good w/ those numbers. If he keeps the O on the field for 35-38mins of the game, I'm good w/ that. What I don't want to see is 3500yrds, 25TDs w/ 20ints, 36% 3rd conversions, 60% Redzone scoring and our D on the field 35-38mins of the game.
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You think Golden is dumb enough to leave his better players on the bench? No coach does that.
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UMMM, I guess you're not that die hard of a Cane's fan, b/c if you were, you would know that Golden admitted HIMSELF that he felt like he owed that Sr class something since they had been here since day 1 and they sacrificed to stay here w/ the U. That's the ONLY reason why the upper classmen got the nod. Golden tried to be a fair guy, but now, everyone on this roster are his products. I firmly believe the best players, period will play regardless of class status.
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Is there a chance diabeetus gut is full of **** among other things......
 
Rellyrell said:
LEmeyers said:
Rellyrell said:
Here's the thing....none of our Sr's last yr were going to loose out on their jobs on either side of the ball. Golden felt like he owed the Sr's something for hanging in here w/ the whole NCAA debacle. Do you really think Cornelius was better than Kirby or Shayon was better than McCord or AQM? Hightower better than Carter or Bush? Of course not...w/ Morris, he came in as a preseason Heisman Candidate. He was supposed to be the "next great" here at UM; couple that with the fact that he was a Sr and there was no way he was losing his job.
Williams could've been lights out in practice and he would not have sniffed the field. We don't need a gun slinger on this team; Morris had all of the abilities in the world, but upstairs he just didn't get it. If Williams provided us w/ 2800 yards passing w/ 20Tds and 3ints, I'm good w/ those numbers. If he provides us w/ a 50% conversion rating on 3rd downs and 80% scoring pct in the redzone, I'm good w/ those numbers. If he keeps the O on the field for 35-38mins of the game, I'm good w/ that. What I don't want to see is 3500yrds, 25TDs w/ 20ints, 36% 3rd conversions, 60% Redzone scoring and our D on the field 35-38mins of the game.
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You think Golden is dumb enough to leave his better players on the bench? No coach does that.
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UMMM, I guess you're not that die hard of a Cane's fan, b/c if you were, you would know that Golden admitted HIMSELF that he felt like he owed that Sr class something since they had been here since day 1 and they sacrificed to stay here w/ the U. That's the ONLY reason why the upper classmen got the nod. Golden tried to be a fair guy, but now, everyone on this roster are his products. I firmly believe the best players, period will play regardless of class status.
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Golden is dumb then and so are your for believing that non sense if he in fact did say that crap.
 
Rellyrell, there is no way he did... If so why should we have faith in a coach who doesn't care about winning? No coach does that... It's one thing to play inferior players but to give them the majority of the snaps and allow them to start is another story... I heard him expressed his gratitude towards the seniors, however you're misinterpreting his statements... The best players played last year... The younger prospects wasn't ready... He has relegated starters and NFL prospects(Duke and Henderson) duties for on field performances before... Why would he change now?

Your assessment is ridiculous... No coach sacrifice wins to appease a group of players... If he had the talent and if they were ready, he played them... This blind faith and wishful thinking on your behalf... Do you see how ridiculous you sound? You just said Golden doesn't care about winning...
 
lauderdaleballer said:
I refused to believe that Golden were loyal to the seniors because of the NCAA situation... Just about all of the reserves we are clamouring for played but showed little consistency to be starters... Yes Cornelious was better than Kirby at the moment(kid hasn't done anything yet)... AQM and McCord are talented players but they are still raw... You knew what you were getting with both players as far as consistency... That being said, that doesn't mean that this year there wouldn't be a progression... It just means they weren't ready at the moment...

If Golden did what many of you all are asserting then it's an indictment on him as a coach... If you have the opportunity to be better you don't stagnate your organization with favoritism in order to appease a few members because there are more negatives than positives...

Favoritism contradicts the entire premise of competition... If the players feel they are not getting a shot then the morale of the team suffers and division arises... Golden is not promoting favoritism. He played the most "ready" players he had a available.

I don't think Williams is better... I don't think he's this ultimate game manager. I think he's an average qb... He has been here for 4 years and hasn't been mentioned by anyone as the best qb on the team during his tenure. It has all been assumptions and a bit of wishful thinking regarding his performance... That being said, anything can happen this upcoming year... Whatever happened in the past is irrelevant if he balls out this year.. I just don't think Golden was loyal to anyone, I think he played who he felt was more efficient... He found a way to relegate Henderson and he relegated Duke in practice for fumbling... If the back ups were better they would have started... Al's actions totally contradict the popular assessment of our coaching staff by our fanbase... I mean, why didn't Cain get any burn... I mean that did show glimpses of talent at times throughout his tenure... Wheeler wasn't a starter either...
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First let's establish that being loyal to the Senior class AND playing the best players are not mutually exclusive.
Hard to argue he didn't do this when the team won 9 games with the senior class getting as much playing time as they did.
And 2013 was all about the Senior class. You heard it referenced every time by everyone that this was for the seniors. The underclassmen were all on board for letting this senior class take the team as far as they can. It's like the team rallied around them.
More than anything the Senior class will be remembered for being the ones that stuck through with the coaching transition and their commitment and work ethic that laid the foundation for the culture that Golden wants to establish. To him early on, this was critical for the long term well being of the program.
 
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