"How can we compete with Clemson?"

[Meat]

This thread really didnt age well. Clemson just passed us so I guess we can lock this fail of a thread.
https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

They won a championship with those classes in the OP.

And again, your rankings are misleading. I already broke it down on the page before, Clemson's classes the past 4 years based on quality of players is superior to that of this current class. A difference of more than 3 points per player per average. That is a substantial difference. It's the difference between NC caliber and a team that is 10th -15th best in the country.

Here are Clemson's averages per player for the four years before they actually won the National Championship:

88.46 (2013)
88.09 (2014)
89.12 (2015)
90.30 (2016).

All lower than what Miami did today. A class this good gives you a chance to win championships. The rest is up to development and execution.

Yet those 4 classes still average out to be better than what Miami's last 4 average. And 1 class doesn't get you in the discussion of having enough talent. Especially when you look at this class and see how unbalanced it is offensively versus defensively. And let's not even discuss coachng staff's either. Which Clemson's is far superiors to ours. We are nowhere near talented enough on the field and with our staff to even be discussing NCs.

Richt averaged the #6 recruiting class over his 15 years at Georgia and never even played for a title. He had a sub 500 record against ranked opponents. Yet you want to talk about this class being good enough to give you a chance to win a title? Not even close.

This class is very good, just inside top 10. But if you are lacking with your staff, which we are, you better be recruiting at the level of Bama, Ohio State, Clemson for years to have a chabce to compete with them.

If Richt really did average the #6 recruiting class at Georgia, then we should all be concerned. Why is it that he was able to recruit better at Georgia, when Miami's strength is supposedly that we're located in the middle of a hot recruiting bed?

 

[Meat]

Yeah, the only "facts" you care to see.

Funny how he never addressed us only signing 1 kid ranked in the top 10 in the state over the last 3 years. 1-30, that is a great success!

Or how we have gone 0-9 in Dade & Broward the last 3 years for the top ranked kids.

Or how he keeps pointing to Miami somehow recruiting on Clemson's level with this years class yet Clemson's average ranking of player from the last 4 years is 3 points higher than Miami's average over the same period of time. That is a difference between a 4 star and 3 star average.

Yup, those facts don't matter. Man some of you dudes are sheep. No one ever, not me at least said this class wasn't good, it is, its very good. But it's not elite, nowhere near elite. Elite is top 5 and addressing both sides of the ball. We did neither of the two.

Were talking about the class rankings between Clemson and Miami. Stay focused. It’s incredible that you still can’t grasp the point of bis post.

And we are talking about the quality of said classes, which is whwt matters, focus, take your ritalin if necessary. I know you don't like the facts, but they are indisputable. Clemson ****s our recruiting.

This guy Perps is a legit ******, I wouldn't waste your time.

I've had him on ignore for months, I would highly suggest it.

 

[Tony Perps]

Yeah, the only "facts" you care to see.

Funny how he never addressed us only signing 1 kid ranked in the top 10 in the state over the last 3 years. 1-30, that is a great success!

Or how we have gone 0-9 in Dade & Broward the last 3 years for the top ranked kids.

Or how he keeps pointing to Miami somehow recruiting on Clemson's level with this years class yet Clemson's average ranking of player from the last 4 years is 3 points higher than Miami's average over the same period of time. That is a difference between a 4 star and 3 star average.

Yup, those facts don't matter. Man some of you dudes are sheep. No one ever, not me at least said this class wasn't good, it is, its very good. But it's not elite, nowhere near elite. Elite is top 5 and addressing both sides of the ball. We did neither of the two.

Were talking about the class rankings between Clemson and Miami. Stay focused. It’s incredible that you still can’t grasp the point of bis post.

And we are talking about the quality of said classes, which is what matters, focus, take your ritalin if necessary. I know you don't like the facts, but they are indisputable. Clemson ****s on our recruiting. They have signed more 5 star players the past 4 years than we have in the last 12 years.

Lmao. Sticking your fingers in your ears like a child.

 

[DMoney]

Yet those 4 classes still average out to be better than what Miami's last 4 average.

Where in the OP does it say that we've been recruiting at that level over the last four years? We went through a coaching change during that time period.

The point is that this class compares very favorably to the classes Clemson signed to build a championship team.

 

[Tony Perps]

Yet those 4 classes still average out to be better than what Miami's last 4 average.

Where in the OP does it say that we've been recruiting at that level over the last four years? We went through a coaching change during that time period.

The point is that this class compares very favorably to the classes Clemson signed to build a championship team.

@STG isn’t capable of understanding that.

 

[BigJoeGrizzly]

Yet those 4 classes still average out to be better than what Miami's last 4 average.

Where in the OP does it say that we've been recruiting at that level over the last four years? We went through a coaching change during that time period.

The point is that this class compares very favorably to the classes Clemson signed to build a championship team.

The point is we have Manolo Diaz and Mike Rumph. Clemson has Venebles and Mike Reed. Nuff said right there to possibly last a lifetime!

 

[wSmokin Sebastian]

How can they always sign small classes? That makes no sense.

That would mean they always have a roster with fewer players. They’re not growing players or adding walkons. Over time, added up, classes should be roughly the same over several years, like 4-5 years, unless you’re on probation with limited schollies.

Thats what happens when you have a lot of redshirts and 5th year seniors.

You’re saying they have more redshirts and 5th year seniors than everybody else over a period of several years?

They would have to have significantly more of one or the other or both, pretty much every year, for that to be true. It’s possible, but I’m a data guy, I’ll believe it when I actually see it.

85 scholarships allowed

If you are on a 5 year cycle 17 per year
If you are on a 4 year cycle 21 per year.

Those are averages. Then you get transfers in/out, walk ons get scholly, NFL draft entries.

There's the data. Signing 17-21 quality kids a year does it for them.

Now how many guys left Miami since the end of the season for whatever reason versus Clemson.....which means we need to bring in more guys


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[OriginalGatorHater]

How can they always sign small classes? That makes no sense.

That would mean they always have a roster with fewer players. They’re not growing players or adding walkons. Over time, added up, classes should be roughly the same over several years, like 4-5 years, unless you’re on probation with limited schollies.

Thats what happens when you have a lot of redshirts and 5th year seniors.

You’re saying they have more redshirts and 5th year seniors than everybody else over a period of several years?

They would have to have significantly more of one or the other or both, pretty much every year, for that to be true. It’s possible, but I’m a data guy, I’ll believe it when I actually see it.

For starters their recruiting classes aren't as tiny as people make them out to be. but signing 4-5 less kids then other schools really does drop you down significantly in the composite.
Their recruiting class numbers is as follows
2014: 21
2015: 24
2016: 21
2017: 15
2018: 17
https://247sports.com/college/clemson/Season/2018-Football/Commits
The amount of seniors/RSrs is as follows
2017-18: 14
2016-17: 15
2015-16: 20
2014-15:28
Football - Roster - Clemson Tigers Official Athletics Site
Compare that to miami
2017-18: 11
2016-17: 13
2015-16: 13
2014-15:17

University of Miami Hurricanes Official Athletic Site

 

[SayWhat]

Yet those 4 classes still average out to be better than what Miami's last 4 average.

Where in the OP does it say that we've been recruiting at that level over the last four years? We went through a coaching change during that time period.

The point is that this class compares very favorably to the classes Clemson signed to build a championship team.

Your original point suggests that we recruited better than Clemson did any year under Dabo.

You used class rankings which only tell part of the story and are weighted towards larger classes.

You then conveniently pull composite player ranking averages to distract from the original point.

Why the change up? Exposed much on your lack of thought in your original post?

The final dagger in your thoughtless OP, Clemson passed us in the team rankings that once again weights towards bigger classes.

Not only that, they did it with 6 less recruits (17 to our 23) and still they have a higher player at 2.46 (which is big) than ours. They got stud after stud.

We whiffed on some guys, but they held the high ground. I like who we have gotten the past two years with a full year to recruit under Richt. It still doesn't change that Clemson has been our daddy on the field and in recruiting. Gap should be closing a bit, but much more is needed. No need to spin it, it is what it is.

 

[DMoney]

Yet those 4 classes still average out to be better than what Miami's last 4 average.

Where in the OP does it say that we've been recruiting at that level over the last four years? We went through a coaching change during that time period.

The point is that this class compares very favorably to the classes Clemson signed to build a championship team.

Your original point suggests that we recruited better than Clemson did any year under Dabo.

You used class rankings which only tell part of the story and are weighted towards larger classes.

You then conveniently pull composite player ranking averages to distract from the original point.

Why the change up? Exposed much on your lack of thought in your original post?

The final dagger in your thoughtless OP, Clemson passed us in the team rankings that once again weights towards bigger classes.

Not only that, they did it with 6 less recruits (17 to our 23) and still they have a higher player at 2.46 (which is big) than ours. They got stud after stud.

We whiffed on some guys, but they held the high ground. I like who we have gotten the past two years with a full year to recruit under Richt. It still doesn't change that Clemson has been our daddy on the field and in recruiting. Gap should be closing a bit, but much more is needed. No need to spin it, it is what it is.

The OP used the industry standard team rankings.

When someone pointed to player ranking averages, I noted that Clemson built their championship team with classes that ranked lower than our '18 class by either measure.

This is a big time class. If we recruit like this every year, we will be able to play with anyone.

 

[eurocane]

Simple answer. Right now we can't. Their DTackles stayed for their senior seasons ours left.

 

[canespr]

Yet those 4 classes still average out to be better than what Miami's last 4 average.

Where in the OP does it say that we've been recruiting at that level over the last four years? We went through a coaching change during that time period.

The point is that this class compares very favorably to the classes Clemson signed to build a championship team.

Your original point suggests that we recruited better than Clemson did any year under Dabo.

You used class rankings which only tell part of the story and are weighted towards larger classes.

You then conveniently pull composite player ranking averages to distract from the original point.

Why the change up? Exposed much on your lack of thought in your original post?

The final dagger in your thoughtless OP, Clemson passed us in the team rankings that once again weights towards bigger classes.

Not only that, they did it with 6 less recruits (17 to our 23) and still they have a higher player at 2.46 (which is big) than ours. They got stud after stud.

We whiffed on some guys, but they held the high ground. I like who we have gotten the past two years with a full year to recruit under Richt. It still doesn't change that Clemson has been our daddy on the field and in recruiting. Gap should be closing a bit, but much more is needed. No need to spin it, it is what it is.

The OP used the industry standard team rankings.

When someone pointed to player ranking averages, I noted that Clemson built their championship team with classes that ranked lower than our '18 class by either measure.

This is a big time class. If we recruit like this every year, we will be able to play with anyone.

If we dont close with the 5 star studs we can maybe play on the same field as them lol. But do you really think if nothing changes we can compete with Georgia or Bama? I find that hard to believe

 

[CanesNation26]

Here's an interesting way to show just how ahead of us they are...

If you consider just the two most important positions on the field (QB + DL), Clemson's 2018 class is probably better than our past 3 classes combined.

/In fact, their 2015 class is probably better than our past 3 classes combined, too.

 

[PharmCane305]

While I tend to agree with these statements the simple fact that they had DeShawn Watson makes it difficult to.

With that they barely beat Bama the year they won the title. DeShawn was a once in a program player kinda deal.

Now in terms of acc success most definitely we are on the right track and will definitely contend against them in future acc title games. Against Bama and uga? We won't be favored I'd tell u that.

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[cane248]

Dude stop

They beat us by 30 points just a couple months ago

I don't post much but you have to look at the dynamics of this season if we would would have played Clemson say in late October or early November the score would have been a **** of a lot closer than playing them in December.When you lose key players and the drop off behind them is tremendous that is the recipe for disaster.Miami has to continue building depth in order to compete against the big boys.Also, it's a shame that players from Georgia value the U more than the elite South Florida kids.

 

[djrion]

Mark Richt is 12-18 against teams ranked in the top 10 over his entire career. I stand corrected about UGA, he went an astonishing 39-37 against ranked opponents. 14-24 in his last 8 seasons at Georgia.

Can someone decipher this for me? I'm not seeing how the math adds up. Not doubting it, just need further clarification.

Cheeseburger, Lineage 14.1

 

[BoxingRobes]

Dude stop

They beat us by 30 points just a couple months ago

I don't post much but you have to look at the dynamics of this season if we would would have played Clemson say in late October or early November the score would have been a **** of a lot closer than playing them in December.When you lose key players and the drop off behind them is tremendous that is the recipe for disaster.Miami has to continue building depth in order to compete against the big boys.Also, it's a shame that players from Georgia value the U more than the elite South Florida kids.

There is no game-to-game dynamic metric...market correction...adjustment...that compensates for 38-3. It is, what it is.

 

[blackvern]

#4 class

https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

proud of my team and proud to be a Miami Hurricane!!!

#7

Fake news

 

[bshaw28]

The Difference between Clemson & Miami as I see it is, According to 247:

5 Star players signed since 2009 - Clemson 16, Miami 5.
5 Star DL - Clemson 4, Miami 2
5 Star OL - Clemson 2, Miami 0

- We need to sign more top talent/playmakers. That's why losing Campbell & Surtain hurts so much. Lingard is the only 5 Star we've signed in the last 4 years. That just can't happen at Miami. There's too much talent in South Florida for this to happen.

- We need to address both lines. In the last 4 classes, we've signed 3 DL & 3 OL in the 247 Top 250. That can't happen. We've got to stockpile more talented players on the lines. That's what top teams do in recruiting. This was a weakness of Richt at Georgia, and he's got to identify and address this problem immediately.

 

[Artist Formerly Known As]

You’re better than this, @DMoney


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