"How can we compete with Clemson?"

[John77]

Clemson is the only team in the past twenty years that has won a championship without two top ten classes in the previous four years. Holding up a clear outlier as an example is a bad way to go about this.

Yes I know we have a top ten class this year, it’s an excellent class overall and we need another one with the talent disparity reversed to the defensive side to compete for titles.

 

[STG]

This thread really didnt age well. Clemson just passed us so I guess we can lock this fail of a thread.
https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

They won a championship with those classes in the OP.

And again, your rankings are misleading. I already broke it down on the page before, Clemson's classes the past 4 years based on quality of players is superior to that of this current class. A difference of more than 3 points per player per average. That is a substantial difference. It's the difference between NC caliber and a team that is 10th -15th best in the country.

Here are Clemson's averages per player for the four years before they actually won the National Championship:

88.46 (2013)
88.09 (2014)
89.12 (2015)
90.30 (2016).

All lower than what Miami did today. A class this good gives you a chance to win championships. The rest is up to development and execution.

Yet those 4 classes still average out to be better than what Miami's last 4 average. And 1 class doesn't get you in the discussion of having enough talent. Especially when you look at this class and see how unbalanced it is offensively versus defensively. And let's not even discuss coachng staff's either. Which Clemson's is far superiors to ours. We are nowhere near talented enough on the field and with our staff to even be discussing NCs.

Richt averaged the #6 recruiting class over his 15 years at Georgia and never even played for a title. He had a sub 500 record against ranked opponents. Yet you want to talk about this class being good enough to give you a chance to win a title? Not even close.

This class is very good, just inside top 10. But if you are lacking with your staff, which we are, you better be recruiting at the level of Bama, Ohio State, Clemson for years to have a chabce to compete with them.

 

[ShadowSpring]

We are doomed. Fire everyone.

 

[Tony Perps]

This thread really didnt age well. Clemson just passed us so I guess we can lock this fail of a thread.
https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

They won a championship with those classes in the OP.

And again, your rankings are misleading. I already broke it down on the page before, Clemson's classes the past 4 years based on quality of players is superior to that of this current class. A difference of more than 3 points per player per average. That is a substantial difference. It's the difference between NC caliber and a team that is 10th -15th best in the country.

Here are Clemson's averages per player for the four years before they actually won the National Championship:

88.46 (2013)
88.09 (2014)
89.12 (2015)
90.30 (2016).

All lower than what Miami did today. A class this good gives you a chance to win championships. The rest is up to development and execution.

DMoney bringing facts to the table.

 

[Tony Perps]

This thread really didnt age well. Clemson just passed us so I guess we can lock this fail of a thread.
https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

They won a championship with those classes in the OP.

And again, your rankings are misleading. I already broke it down on the page before, Clemson's classes the past 4 years based on quality of players is superior to that of this current class. A difference of more than 3 points per player per average. That is a substantial difference. It's the difference between NC caliber and a team that is 10th -15th best in the country.

Here are Clemson's averages per player for the four years before they actually won the National Championship:

88.46 (2013)
88.09 (2014)
89.12 (2015)
90.30 (2016).

All lower than what Miami did today. A class this good gives you a chance to win championships. The rest is up to development and execution.

Yet those 4 classes still average out to be better than what Miami's last 4 average. And 1 class doesn't get you in the discussion of having enough talent. Especially when you look at this class and see how unbalanced it is offensively versus defensively. And let's not even discuss coachng staff's either. Which Clemson's is far superiors to ours. We are nowhere near talented enough on the field and with our staff to even be discussing NCs.

Richt averaged the #6 recruiting class over his 15 years at Georgia and never even played for a title. He had a sub 500 record against ranked opponents. Yet you want to talk about this class being good enough to give you a chance to win a title? Not even close.

This class is very good, just inside top 10. But if you are lacking with your staff, which we are, you better be recruiting at the level of Bama, Ohio State, Clemson for years to have a chabce to compete with them.

Talk about missing the point.

Richt had a better record at UGA thru two years than kirby. They both finished #3 in their second year..only difference was that there is a playoff this year. I also dont think your stat about ranked teams is accurate.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

How can they always sign small classes? That makes no sense.

That would mean they always have a roster with fewer players. They’re not growing players or adding walkons. Over time, added up, classes should be roughly the same over several years, like 4-5 years, unless you’re on probation with limited schollies.

 

[STG]

Yeah, the only "facts" you care to see.

Funny how he never addressed us only signing 1 kid ranked in the top 10 in the state over the last 3 years. 1-30, that is a great success!

Or how we have gone 0-9 in Dade & Broward the last 3 years for the top ranked kids.

Or how he keeps pointing to Miami somehow recruiting on Clemson's level with this years class yet Clemson's average ranking of player from the last 4 years is 3 points higher than Miami's average over the same period of time. That is a difference between a 4 star and 3 star average.

Yup, those facts don't matter. Man some of you dudes are sheep. No one ever, not me at least said this class wasn't good, it is, its very good. But it's not elite, nowhere near elite. Elite is top 5 and addressing both sides of the ball. We did neither of the two.

 

[Meat]

Yeah, the only "facts" you care to see.

Funny how he never addressed us only signing 1 kid ranked in the top 10 in the state over the last 3 years. 1-30, that is a great success!

Or how we have gone 0-9 in Dade & Broward the last 3 years for the top ranked kids.

Or how he keeps pointing to Miami somehow recruiting on Clemson's level with this years class yet Clemson's average ranking of player from the last 4 years is 3 points higher than Miami's average over the same period of time. That is a difference between a 4 star and 3 star average.

Yup, those facts don't matter. Man some of you dudes are sheep. No one ever, not me at least said this class wasn't good, it is, its very good. But it's not elite, nowhere near elite. Elite is top 5 and addressing both sides of the ball. We did neither of the two.

This is exactly right.

Plus, it doesn't hurt Clemson that they have the best coordinator in football in Brent Venables. That team is so far ahead of us, it's sad.

 

[TriStarCane]

Yeah, the only "facts" you care to see.

Funny how he never addressed us only signing 1 kid ranked in the top 10 in the state over the last 3 years. 1-30, that is a great success!

Or how we have gone 0-9 in Dade & Broward the last 3 years for the top ranked kids.

Or how he keeps pointing to Miami somehow recruiting on Clemson's level with this years class yet Clemson's average ranking of player from the last 4 years is 3 points higher than Miami's average over the same period of time. That is a difference between a 4 star and 3 star average.

Yup, those facts don't matter. Man some of you dudes are sheep. No one ever, not me at least said this class wasn't good, it is, its very good. But it's not elite, nowhere near elite. Elite is top 5 and addressing both sides of the ball. We did neither of the two.

1/3 of their class was 5 stars this year. one ******* third!!

 

[STG]

Mark Richt is 12-18 against teams ranked in the top 10 over his entire career. I stand corrected about UGA, he went an astonishing 39-37 against ranked opponents. 14-24 in his last 8 seasons at Georgia.

 

[OriginalGatorHater]

How can they always sign small classes? That makes no sense.

That would mean they always have a roster with fewer players. They’re not growing players or adding walkons. Over time, added up, classes should be roughly the same over several years, like 4-5 years, unless you’re on probation with limited schollies.

Thats what happens when you have a lot of redshirts and 5th year seniors.

 

[CanesNation26]

This thread really didnt age well. Clemson just passed us so I guess we can lock this fail of a thread.
https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

They won a championship with those classes in the OP.

And again, your rankings are misleading. I already broke it down on the page before, Clemson's classes the past 4 years based on quality of players is superior to that of this current class. A difference of more than 3 points per player per average. That is a substantial difference. It's the difference between NC caliber and a team that is 10th -15th best in the country.

Here are Clemson's averages per player for the four years before they actually won the National Championship:

88.46 (2013)
88.09 (2014)
89.12 (2015)
90.30 (2016).

All lower than what Miami did today. A class this good gives you a chance to win championships. The rest is up to development and execution.

You miss 2017 and 2018, in which they cleared out-recruited us from a player avg. perspective. So if that is your barometer, the talent gap is only getting/going to get bigger. The main problem with your simple comparison is that it glosses over the fact that they sign elite, high-end 5 star and 4 star players. Players with a composite of 97+. Dudes like Watson, Wilkins, Dexter Lawrence, etc. that are game-changers, 1st rounders, and extremely disruptive on the field.

Here is a better comparison (link below): According to 247 (Composite), Clemson had the 9th most talented team in 2017 and Miami had the 20th most talented team in 2017. This talent gap will continue to grow because (1) they're recruiting better than us overall, and (2) they're recruiting better than us at the most important positions (QB, dline).

https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite

 

[STG]

Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing, but you are making my point. The quality of there classes overall are superior to ours this year. We are NOT recruiting on Clemson's level. I think we have signed five 5 stars combined over the last 5 years.

 

[Tony Perps]

Yeah, the only "facts" you care to see.

Funny how he never addressed us only signing 1 kid ranked in the top 10 in the state over the last 3 years. 1-30, that is a great success!

Or how we have gone 0-9 in Dade & Broward the last 3 years for the top ranked kids.

Or how he keeps pointing to Miami somehow recruiting on Clemson's level with this years class yet Clemson's average ranking of player from the last 4 years is 3 points higher than Miami's average over the same period of time. That is a difference between a 4 star and 3 star average.

Yup, those facts don't matter. Man some of you dudes are sheep. No one ever, not me at least said this class wasn't good, it is, its very good. But it's not elite, nowhere near elite. Elite is top 5 and addressing both sides of the ball. We did neither of the two.

Were talking about the class rankings between Clemson and Miami. Stay focused. It’s incredible that you still can’t grasp the point of bis post.

 

[tcgrad1014]

D$ being taken to the woodshed.

 

[CanesNation26]

Not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing, but you are making my point. The quality of there classes overall are superior to ours this year. We are NOT recruiting on Clemson's level. I think we have signed five 5 stars combined over the last 5 years.

I'm disagreeing with Money and agreeing with you. Anyone who think we're recruiting at Clemson's level is delusional. And that doesn't even factor in that they have way less attrition and better overall coaching.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

How can they always sign small classes? That makes no sense.

That would mean they always have a roster with fewer players. They’re not growing players or adding walkons. Over time, added up, classes should be roughly the same over several years, like 4-5 years, unless you’re on probation with limited schollies.

Thats what happens when you have a lot of redshirts and 5th year seniors.

You’re saying they have more redshirts and 5th year seniors than everybody else over a period of several years?

They would have to have significantly more of one or the other or both, pretty much every year, for that to be true. It’s possible, but I’m a data guy, I’ll believe it when I actually see it.

 

[STG]

Yeah, the only "facts" you care to see.

Funny how he never addressed us only signing 1 kid ranked in the top 10 in the state over the last 3 years. 1-30, that is a great success!

Or how we have gone 0-9 in Dade & Broward the last 3 years for the top ranked kids.

Or how he keeps pointing to Miami somehow recruiting on Clemson's level with this years class yet Clemson's average ranking of player from the last 4 years is 3 points higher than Miami's average over the same period of time. That is a difference between a 4 star and 3 star average.

Yup, those facts don't matter. Man some of you dudes are sheep. No one ever, not me at least said this class wasn't good, it is, its very good. But it's not elite, nowhere near elite. Elite is top 5 and addressing both sides of the ball. We did neither of the two.

Were talking about the class rankings between Clemson and Miami. Stay focused. It’s incredible that you still can’t grasp the point of bis post.

And we are talking about the quality of said classes, which is what matters, focus, take your ritalin if necessary. I know you don't like the facts, but they are indisputable. Clemson ***** on our recruiting. They have signed more 5 star players the past 4 years than we have in the last 12 years.

 

[cane since birth]

Bruh those are top heavy classes they get alteast 5-8 elite kids a class, some ranking systems are flawed because of averages and numbers

 

[CanesNation26]

Yeah, the only "facts" you care to see.

Funny how he never addressed us only signing 1 kid ranked in the top 10 in the state over the last 3 years. 1-30, that is a great success!

Or how we have gone 0-9 in Dade & Broward the last 3 years for the top ranked kids.

Or how he keeps pointing to Miami somehow recruiting on Clemson's level with this years class yet Clemson's average ranking of player from the last 4 years is 3 points higher than Miami's average over the same period of time. That is a difference between a 4 star and 3 star average.

Yup, those facts don't matter. Man some of you dudes are sheep. No one ever, not me at least said this class wasn't good, it is, its very good. But it's not elite, nowhere near elite. Elite is top 5 and addressing both sides of the ball. We did neither of the two.

Were talking about the class rankings between Clemson and Miami. Stay focused. It’s incredible that you still can’t grasp the point of bis post.

And we are talking about the quality of said classes, which is whwt matters, focus, take your ritalin if necessary. I know you don't like the facts, but they are indisputable. Clemson ****s our recruiting.

This guy Perps is a legit ******, I wouldn't waste your time.