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Honest Thoughts on Mario as a Recruiter in the Age of NiL

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joshgattisburner said:
It seems as if he is losing his stride, last year we had 2 whales to finish the cycle in Justin Scott and Jordan Lyle. If Mario can't recruit Florida guys to stick in Florida, whats the use. I understand these kids get insane amount of bags, but if the guys OWN COUSIN is on the roster, how do we not land him???
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Money’s a massive equalizer. When all things are equal or close, then his relationship and recruiting skills can make the difference but a sound coach who’s a strong evaluator and developer of talent is more important at this moment in my opinion.
 
RVACane said:
Money’s a massive equalizer. When all things are equal or close, then his relationship and recruiting skills can make the difference but a sound coach who’s a strong evaluator and developer of talent is more important at this moment in my opinion.
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Who is the sound coach in the country?

Manny - 62% fired and replaced by Mario
Fran - 75%
Cignetti - 86%
Day who can't beat UM? 87%
DeBour - 79%
Kelly? 70%
Kirby? 85%
Riley- 77%
Sark 62%
Lanning 87%
Franklin 69%

Not going to go through every coach in the top 30 but you get the idea. Even those that look great have some bad losses and seasons. IMO, 2025 is the real year we see if Mario is the coach. 9-3 is the floor IMO but that will depend on the next month or so of recruiting.

Mario 53%- remove FIU years and he is 67%
 
90scane said:
Who is the sound coach in the country?

Manny - 62% fired and replaced by Mario
Fran - 75%
Cignetti - 86%
Day who can't beat UM? 87%
DeBour - 79%
Kelly? 70%
Kirby? 85%
Riley- 77%
Sark 62%
Lanning 87%
Franklin 69%

Not going to go through every coach in the top 30 but you get the idea. Even those that look great have some bad losses and seasons. IMO, 2025 is the real year we see if Mario is the coach. 9-3 is the floor IMO but that will depend on the next month or so of recruiting.

Mario 53%- remove FIU years and he is 67%
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Come on man. There’s a lot of guys who are better at in game management, talent identification and development. Manny at Duke, Fran Brown at Cuse, Cignetti at JMU and IU, and DeBoer at Fresno State just off your list have done more with less. We consistently rank at the top of recruiting rankings for the ACC yet we’ve only gotten to one ACCCG prior to Mario and none since while programs with inferior recruiting to ours have gotten in or won it.
 
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90scane said:
OSU - 2 losses
Bama - 3 losses
UGA - 2 losses with another coming
PSU - 1 loss with another coming
LSU - 4 losses
Michigan - 5 losses
Auburn - 7 losses
Tennessee- 2 losses
ATM - 4 losses
Florida - 5 losses

What I see is a ton of parity. Miami will have as good a chance of making the CFP every year as the next top 15 roster.

If Mario keeps landing top 10 classes, it increases the team's floor and gives him more room to Brostake a game.

I find it Ironic that 3 of the biggest negative plays against Syracuse were by Manny kids: X fumble, Rivers holding, George PF.
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Penn state lost to OSU
OSU lost to bad michigan and at Oregon by 1
UGA lost to Bama and OM
LSU stinks
Michigan stinks but theyre overpaying
AU sucks but freeze doesn't care about legalities
UT lost to bad Arky and UGA
ATM stinks but they got oil money
UF is overpaying the world and also has more ranked wins than we do right now.
 
STG said:
Out of his 4 full recruiting classes while at Oregon, 98 total high school recruits, 8 were drafted. That is a hit rate of 8.1%. Or on average of 2 players that are NFL talents on your starting 22 every year. Not sure how you compete for anything of real signifigance if you are fielding 2 NFL players on your starting 22, per year on average.
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I question your math, given multiple years of eligibility. They don't rotate in a new starting 22 each year.
How about comparing his hit rate to Alabama or Georgia over that same exact time frame? That would be a much more fair comparison. Also, are you accounting for his guys that got drafted after he left Oregon?

2024 - 8
2023 - 6

I don't know how many of the 14 players drafted after he left were recruited by Mario, but it was omitted from your post.
 
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RVACane said:
Come on man. There’s a lot of guys who are better at in game management, talent identification and development. Manny at Duke, Fran Brown at Cuse, Cignetti at JMU and IU, and DeBoer at Fresno State just off your list have done more with less. We consistently rank at the top of recruiting rankings for the ACC yet we’ve only gotten to one ACCCG prior to Mario and none since while programs with inferior recruiting to ours have gotten in or won it.
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After this quote you finally cannot be taken seriously. Manny with Elko players? We all know what happens 3 years from now. The guy couldn't recruit his own coaching position. Jury is still out on everyone else. Deboer was just handed the keys to a Porsche and went to Norman and threw up.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
I question your math, given multiple years of eligibility. They don't rotate in a new starting 22 each year.
How about comparing his hit rate to Alabama or Georgia over that same exact time frame? That would be a much more fair comparison. Also, are you accounting for his guys that got drafted after he left Oregon?

2024 - 8
2023 - 6

I don't know how many of the 14 players drafted after he left were recruited by Mario, but it was omitted from your post.
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I question your reading comprehension, as I specifically stated this covered his HIGH SCHOOL RECRUITS. Not transfers or JUCO players.

But to answer your question from BAMA'S recruiting classes during the same time frame, they had 27 players drafted while Georgia had 28. Notice a slight difference?
 
TOcane said:
After this quote you finally cannot be taken seriously. Manny with Elko players? We all know what happens 3 years from now. The guy couldn't recruit his own coaching position. Jury is still out on everyone else. Deboer was just handed the keys to a Porsche and went to Norman and threw up.
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Deboer will be just fine , he won’t be Saban but nobody in history will do that again . He was also handled a much bigger mess inside the building than most know. But his record and resume is much better than 99 percent of coaches. Including taking Washington to a national title game. Mario isn’t in the same stratosphere of that guy as a HC.
 
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TOcane said:
After this quote you finally cannot be taken seriously. Manny with Elko players? We all know what happens 3 years from now. The guy couldn't recruit his own coaching position. Jury is still out on everyone else. Deboer was just handed the keys to a Porsche and went to Norman and threw up.
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DeBoer at Fresno State and Washington.

Fran Brown at Syracuse.

Lashlee at SMU.

Manny at Duke.

Mario took Manny’s 7-5 Miami team and went 5-7 the next year. See how that works?

Instead of jumping to tell me I shouldn’t be taken seriously, ask yourself why your brain still thinks Mario’s Return on Investment at UM is better than any of the aforementioned ROIs??? He’s out recruited the conference for 3 years now but guess who isn’t going to Charlotte???

And wait til the portal out hits. SMH
 
Cribby said:
Deboer will be just fine , he won’t be Saban but nobody in history will do that again . He was also handled a much bigger mess inside the building than most know. But his record and resume is much better than 99 percent of coaches. Including taking Washington to a national title game. Mario isn’t in the same stratosphere of that guy as a HC.
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Some of these guys still can’t let it go. They refuse to accept that our guy does less with more as a ball coach.
 
RVACane said:
DeBoer at Fresno State and Washington.

Fran Brown at Syracuse.

Lashlee at SMU.

Manny at Duke.

Mario took Manny’s 7-5 Miami team and went 5-7 the next year. See how that works?

Instead of jumping to tell me I shouldn’t be taken seriously, ask yourself why your brain still thinks Mario’s Return on Investment at UM is better than any of the aforementioned ROIs??? He’s out recruited the conference for 3 years now but guess who isn’t going to Charlotte???

And wait til the portal out hits. SMH
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They are all unknowns right now you are giving as usual too much credit for recent success. You didn't mention Rhett in your initial post and Deboer is the only one with a larger body of work.
 
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Cribby said:
Deboer will be just fine , he won’t be Saban but nobody in history will do that again . He was also handled a much bigger mess inside the building than most know. But his record and resume is much better than 99 percent of coaches. Including taking Washington to a national title game. Mario isn’t in the same stratosphere of that guy as a HC.
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Doesn't really matter no way at Alabama should you get ran out of a building. Our fans crap on our team every chance they get and crown everyone else. The truth is there aren't many really good coaches that have sustained success at this time. It's Dabo and Kirby and everyone else is trying to get in the boat.
 
TOcane said:
They are all unknowns right now you are giving as usual too much credit for recent success. You didn't mention Rhett in your initial post and Deboer is the only one with a larger body of work.
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I care about recent success not Mario at FIU or Saban at Michigan State 💁🏻‍♂️😂

Mario does less with more than these guys.
 
RVACane said:
I care about recent success not Mario at FIU or Saban at Michigan State 💁🏻‍♂️😂

Mario does less with more than these guys.
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Again it makes no sense I'm not talking about recent success as in these guys have been good the last few years. You are talking about guys who have been in a spot for 1 year. How did that work out for Mel Tucker? Nobody you mentioned outside of Deboer has done jack.
 
Torocane said:
Last two class were really good this one remains to be seem.
Not enough of a sample size to make a definitive assessment about this inability to recruit anymore. JMO
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Two issues here that might have gotten lost in all this....we have to keep the kids from those two classes, and they have to actually pan out.
 
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