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MedleyCane said:
They have zero recruiting juice in the DMV, Baltimore and Tidewater areas. Beamer had coaches in his staff who had deep ties to those areas, which was important because the school is in the middle of nowhere. It is Kansas State with mountains. Talent from those aforementioned areas are headed to Big Ten schools if not neighboring SEC and Carolina schools. And this Pry head coach, what was the rationale for hiring him? I know he played and coached under Beamer many years ago but what else?
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IndayBuffsHauz said:
Nail on the head. VT needs a great staff and for that you have to pay. You can’t just roll the ball out and lunch pail your way to wins. I don’t remember the last VT player I thought was halfway decent, I assume their NIL game is nonexistent as well.

VT is about to lost in the wash of realignment. They have to find a group of people who care about their program in the next few years or they won’t exist in any meaningful way. Sad honestly.
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It certainly goes to show just how good of a coach and program manager Frank Beamer was. First ballot hall of famer. Of course, an under-reported element of his success was being able to keep Bud Foster on as D- coordinator for so many years.

As for Va Tech getting lost in the realignment shuffle, if Im not mistaken, Va Tech was about to get lost in the Big East exodus shuffle 20 years ago but it was the Governor of Virginia that forced UVA's hand in convincing the ACC to take Va Tech along with Miami & others. I'm working from memory on that but I believe that's how it went down.
 
hoops156 said:
in true VT fashion, they'll prolly win 4 straight in the middle of the year and give us fits for no apparent reason other than being VT
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Naw, I don't think so! we are passed playing down to competition! We are leveling up coming off a bye week and hopefully stomping gtech!
 
Could have told them that. Some of these hires you just know aren't going to work as soon as they're confirmed.
 
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Brent Pry is terrible. Virginia also made an awful hire in Tony Elliott in the same off-season.

I can't see Pry making it past this year. They're going to have to pivot to someone that can recruit the DMV, someone that is going to build a culture and stay there forever, or a hot name coordinator that's likely going to use them as a stepping stone but gives them a schematic advantage.

Personally, if I had to give them a list of guys it would probably be
1. Ryan Grubb (schematic advantage and he can build an OL)
2. Glenn Schumann (schematic advantage and a good recruiter - likely brings Fran Brown as DC and he would be an elite DMV recruiter)
3. Dan Mullen (would stay long term and do what he did at Miss State, elite schematic advantage)
4. Jamey Chadwell (could be another VT lifer. Cultural fit. Good scheme)
5. Alex Atkins (good DMV recruiter, can solidify their OL)

Honorable mention: Curt Cignetti and Willie Fritz - both may be too old to take that job from where it is now and build it.
 
SFbayCane said:
It certainly goes to show just how good of a coach and program manager Frank Beamer was. First ballot hall of famer. Of course, an under-reported element of his success was being able to keep Bud Foster on as D- coordinator for so many years.

As for Va Tech getting lost in the realignment shuffle, if Im not mistaken, Va Tech was about to get lost in the Big East exodus shuffle 20 years ago but it was the Governor of Virginia that forced UVA's hand in convincing the ACC to take Va Tech along with Miami & others. I'm working from memory on that but I believe that's how it went down.
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You're correct on the politics that got VT into the ACC thanks to then Governor Mark Warner.
 
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MedleyCane said:
They have zero recruiting juice in the DMV, Baltimore and Tidewater areas. Beamer had coaches in his staff who had deep ties to those areas, which was important because the school is in the middle of nowhere. It is Kansas State with mountains. Talent from those aforementioned areas are headed to Big Ten schools if not neighboring SEC and Carolina schools. And this Pry head coach, what was the rationale for hiring him? I know he played and coached under Beamer many years ago but what else?
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JayCane20 said:
Brent Pry is terrible. Virginia also made an awful hire in Tony Elliott in the same off-season.

I can't see Pry making it past this year. They're going to have to pivot to someone that can recruit the DMV, someone that is going to build a culture and stay there forever, or a hot name coordinator that's likely going to use them as a stepping stone but gives them a schematic advantage.

Personally, if I had to give them a list of guys it would probably be
1. Ryan Grubb (schematic advantage and he can build an OL)
2. Glenn Schumann (schematic advantage and a good recruiter - likely brings Fran Brown as DC and he would be an elite DMV recruiter)
3. Dan Mullen (would stay long term and do what he did at Miss State, elite schematic advantage)
4. Jamey Chadwell (could be another VT lifer. Cultural fit. Good scheme)
5. Alex Atkins (good DMV recruiter, can solidify their OL)

Honorable mention: Curt Cignetti and Willie Fritz - both may be too old to take that job from where it is now and build it.
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The guy at Marshall may be worth a look as he ties to Maryland and Virginia and worked under Saban.
 
L A M P said:
You never really know. Thought Elko was a lazy hire for Duke. Wrong!

Crazy how terrible Elliott/Scott ended up as HC.

Elite players >>> everything else.
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I always thought Elko was a good hire. Idk how he'll be long term though - a lot like Aranda at Baylor he can scheme it up with anyone but he's never been a recruiter and won't be able to do a lot at Duke anyway. He also brought in a good OC in Kevin Johns and his protege as DC in Tyler Santucci.. and a good overall staff with Jess Simpson, Ish Aristide, and Lyle Hemphill.

Also helps to have a really good QB like Leonard. When he's gone, it'll be hard to duplicate.

Then again, what is the expectation at Duke.. he can easily get away with 7-5 on a regular basis and occasionally dipping sub .500.
 
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IndayBuffsHauz said:
Nail on the head. VT needs a great staff and for that you have to pay. You can’t just roll the ball out and lunch pail your way to wins. I don’t remember the last VT player I thought was halfway decent, I assume their NIL game is nonexistent as well.

VT is about to lost in the wash of realignment. They have to find a group of people who care about their program in the next few years or they won’t exist in any meaningful way. Sad honestly.
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only thing they have is a relatively good party scene and enter sandman. All of the good they had on the field and in the office is long gone.
 
Beamer became a Mormon and moved to Utah. Currently coaching the Utes. Kyle is the modern day Beamer. Utah will never win a national title but nobody wants to play them.

VT's success came when Penn State and Ohio State were down. Those schools are getting the best players out of Virginia now.
 
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JayCane20 said:
I always thought Elko was a good hire. Idk how he'll be long term though - a lot like Aranda at Baylor he can scheme it up with anyone but he's never been a recruiter and won't be able to do a lot at Duke anyway. He also brought in a good OC in Kevin Johns and his protege as DC in Tyler Santucci.. and a good overall staff with Jess Simpson, Ish Aristide, and Lyle Hemphill.

Also helps to have a really good QB like Leonard. When he's gone, it'll be hard to duplicate.

Then again, what is the expectation at Duke.. he can easily get away with 7-5 on a regular basis and occasionally dipping sub .500.
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Well said. Not sure why I thought it lazy at the time. (Todd Graham vibes). He ended up with a great staff.

Agree on QB.. Always minimizes any weaknesses.
 
MedleyCane said:
They have zero recruiting juice in the DMV, Baltimore and Tidewater areas. Beamer had coaches in his staff who had deep ties to those areas, which was important because the school is in the middle of nowhere. It is Kansas State with mountains. Talent from those aforementioned areas are headed to Big Ten schools if not neighboring SEC and Carolina schools. And this Pry head coach, what was the rationale for hiring him? I know he played and coached under Beamer many years ago but what else?
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I can't speak to current recruiting inroads, but absolutely in terms of location. Although the DMV was historically their recruiting ground, they really aren't very close to most of it. They are about just as close or closer to areas like Louisville, Cincinnati, Charlotte, etc.

I went to high school in MD and outside of the University of MD, the next most popular school kids went to was VT which was over 4 hours away. I would understand that more for Northern Virginia as they would get instate tuition, but there are several other large universities (besides MD) that are roughly the same distance or closer from where I was in MD including Pitt (4 hrs), Penn State (3 hrs), UVA (2.5 hrs), and the North Carolina schools (4.5 hrs). Now some of those schools are tougher to get into, so that could certainly play a factor (there are also a ton of good, but smaller schools that are much closer).

There are also no major airports close and only a few highways (luckily there is rarely traffic) so getting there is a pain. During the discussion of adding Stanford to the ACC, someone pointed out that for some schools in the ACC, flying across the country to San Francisco really wasnt much more difficult than getting to Blacksburg.

Now that JMU is in Division I and looking promising for football, I wonder if that will start pulling more students from the DMV area that would have gone to VT previously.

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MedleyCane said:
They have zero recruiting juice in the DMV, Baltimore and Tidewater areas. Beamer had coaches in his staff who had deep ties to those areas, which was important because the school is in the middle of nowhere. It is Kansas State with mountains. Talent from those aforementioned areas are headed to Big Ten schools if not neighboring SEC and Carolina schools. And this Pry head coach, what was the rationale for hiring him? I know he played and coached under Beamer many years ago but what else?
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You’re right. Virginia has a lot of football talent but Virginia is a bigger state than people probably realize. Where VT is is in the middle of nowhere, you blink and you miss the exit. It’s nowhere near Richmond, DC, or the beach etc

They would also be smart to dip into the Carolinas and Tennessee for recruiting, though I think Tennessee is where they pulled a couple of solid kids last year
 
JayCane20 said:
Brent Pry is terrible. Virginia also made an awful hire in Tony Elliott in the same off-season.

I can't see Pry making it past this year. They're going to have to pivot to someone that can recruit the DMV, someone that is going to build a culture and stay there forever, or a hot name coordinator that's likely going to use them as a stepping stone but gives them a schematic advantage.

Personally, if I had to give them a list of guys it would probably be
1. Ryan Grubb (schematic advantage and he can build an OL)
2. Glenn Schumann (schematic advantage and a good recruiter - likely brings Fran Brown as DC and he would be an elite DMV recruiter)
3. Dan Mullen (would stay long term and do what he did at Miss State, elite schematic advantage)
4. Jamey Chadwell (could be another VT lifer. Cultural fit. Good scheme)
5. Alex Atkins (good DMV recruiter, can solidify their OL)

Honorable mention: Curt Cignetti and Willie Fritz - both may be too old to take that job from where it is now and build it.
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Chadwell would be my guy. He might finish the regular season 12-0. That’s an easy, remaining schedule for them. Big time culture fit.
 
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