Hazing and Bullying

[dycane]

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Watch the TMZ video of that f*cking idiot at Blondies. That's very representative of who he is and how he acts regularly when he goes out. I don't give a sh*t what a few Dolphins say publicly; privately they know he's a raging, bipolar psychopath. He needs to be medicated and in intensive therapy rather than on the f*cking leadership council of that abomination of an organization. The fact that he and Pouncey somehow became leaders in that locker room is all you need to know about the character of that team.

Seems to me like you're making a lot of assumptions about him considering a few of his teammates have come out in support of him.
Granted he's got some issues, but I think you could say that about a good number of guys in the NFL. Let's see how this thing plays out.

I'm not assuming anything. I've seen his behavior first hand several times. I am not saying that some Fins' players don't support Icognito. I know that Pouncy and Odrick love him. And I also know that both think he's a raging lunatic -- from Pouncey's own mouth. What I am saying is that guys like you have no idea how truly unstable this guy is. If you did, then you might understand why Martin was hesitant to stand up to this guy, especially since he had the locker room behind him. Let's see if his exploits in NY this summer come to life. I am not disappointed in Ignognito -- I think the guy has a mental disease and absent real intervention is a lost cause. I honestly don't think he can control his actions absent medication and continued therapy. What really ****es me off is that no one in that locker room had the character to put that guy in his place; not a single veteran even objected to other veterans repeatedly fleecing rookies for their own personal binges and parties. That's really f*cking pathetic.

You seem to be pretty emotional about this, how do you supposedly know so much about Incognito?[/QUOTE]

I don't. Made it all up. It's a byproduct of my uncontrollable imagination.

 

[DreCooL]

I hate the word bully...dude is a 300 pound grown *** mam. If you can't tell somebody you're not gonna do something then walk away your soft. Plain and simple. Incognito is a **** yes, bit Martin let incognito get in his head. Weak minded individual right there.

Not all people have strong minds and tough skins. That just the way it is. The role of civilized society is to somehow protect the softer minds like we protect other members of society with weaker traits. To somehow look at Martin as a weirdo and call him other names shows that some people, even here on this message board, will not come to defend their own relatives and family members if they are weak. Mentally or physically. Sad.

It's been said before in the thread; maybe playing in the nfl isn't his calling. He's going to get eaten alive when he comes back, is he gonna run away then?

 

[DreCooL]

Again, Icognito is a psychopath. And not just in terms of his rage. The guy is super weird and bipolar. He's got substance abuse issues, which magnify his imbalance. I wish I could elaborate on a few stories, but they implicate friends, so I won't. Sufficed to say, no one on here should even remotely support him. He's not a good guy and I can only imagine how bad he stalked and harassed Martin. He's the type of guy I despise most in this world -- dumb, juiced out bully who draws his self worth from intimidating and embarrassing weaker people. And not just players. When he's out, he tries to intimidate smaller, weaker people but then proceeds, like a b@tch, to kiss the *** of the guys who roll with hot chicks or own the bars/clubs. He treats support staff like sh@t, too, which is one of my biggest pet peaves. And no one is talking about the obvious -- what type of loser repeatedly milks others to cover his tabs, trips, and binges? Talk about a complete lack of self respect. You're a god **** millionaire and you're willingly taking $$$ from a rookie for a trip when the guy isn't even joining you? F@ck that guy. He'll be two bit bouncer within 3 years.

But somehow every player they've interviewed that has played with him defends him

Watch the TMZ video of that f*cking idiot at Blondies. That's very representative of who he is and how he acts regularly when he goes out. I don't give a sh*t what a few Dolphins say publicly; privately they know he's a raging, bipolar psychopath. He needs to be medicated and in intensive therapy rather than on the f*cking leadership council of that abomination of an organization. The fact that he and Pouncey somehow became leaders in that locker room is all you need to know about the character of that team.

They are the two best blockers on the team, probably have the most leadership qualities. I can completely see why they were. You talk as if you know the man. He called Pouncey a "n*gga", did he run away?

 

[dycane]

I hate the word bully...dude is a 300 pound grown *** mam. If you can't tell somebody you're not gonna do something then walk away your soft. Plain and simple. Incognito is a **** yes, bit Martin let incognito get in his head. Weak minded individual right there.

Not all people have strong minds and tough skins. That just the way it is. The role of civilized society is to somehow protect the softer minds like we protect other members of society with weaker traits. To somehow look at Martin as a weirdo and call him other names shows that some people, even here on this message board, will not come to defend their own relatives and family members if they are weak. Mentally or physically. Sad.

It's been said before in the thread; maybe playing in the nfl isn't his calling. He's going to get eaten alive when he comes back, is he gonna run away then?

So, you think Martin's the outlier here as opposed to the guy who: (1) got kicked off two college teams; (2) flipped over his college coach's desk in a fit of rage; (3) was blacklisted by several NFL teams before the draft; (4) has admitted to having substance abuse issues; (5) is considered by a wide margin the dirtiest player in the league; (6) has called Martin and Sapp n*ggers; (7) thinks it's appropriate to leverage his position of seniority to make rookies subsidize his lifestyle; and (7) admitted that he needed to get on Paxil and into therapy in order to keep himself under control. Yeah, that 30 year old man half naked raging like a douche at Blondies definitely is what the NFL is or should be about. Nothing weird about that. Give me a break. Guys like Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, Michael Strahan, Jason Taylor would never have tolerated this nonsense. Respect earns respect.

 

[L A M P]

Respect earns respect.

Dear Diary,

Today everyone was mean.. again. SAD FACE.

Love, Jonathan

 

[AUcane]

dycane, share some specific stories with us that won't implicate your crew.

 

[dycane]

dycane, share some specific stories with us that won't implicate your crew.

I'll shoot you a PM. Don't trust the trolls on this board and the way in which things tend to migrate into other forums. I don't need to justify my position to these dolts who think that forcing your teammates to pay for your personal life, or parading around a local bar in a drunken rage, or belittling a teammate with racial epithets constitute leadership qualities.

 

[DreCooL]

I hate the word bully...dude is a 300 pound grown *** mam. If you can't tell somebody you're not gonna do something then walk away your soft. Plain and simple. Incognito is a **** yes, bit Martin let incognito get in his head. Weak minded individual right there.

Not all people have strong minds and tough skins. That just the way it is. The role of civilized society is to somehow protect the softer minds like we protect other members of society with weaker traits. To somehow look at Martin as a weirdo and call him other names shows that some people, even here on this message board, will not come to defend their own relatives and family members if they are weak. Mentally or physically. Sad.

It's been said before in the thread; maybe playing in the nfl isn't his calling. He's going to get eaten alive when he comes back, is he gonna run away then?

So, you think Martin's the outlier here as opposed to the guy who: (1) got kicked off two college teams; (2) flipped over his college coach's desk in a fit of rage; (3) was blacklisted by several NFL teams before the draft; (4) has admitted to having substance abuse issues; (5) is considered by a wide margin the dirtiest player in the league; (6) has called Martin and Sapp n*ggers; (7) thinks it's appropriate to leverage his position of seniority to make rookies subsidize his lifestyle; and (7) admitted that he needed to get on Paxil and into therapy in order to keep himself under control. Yeah, that 30 year old man half naked raging like a douche at Blondies definitely is what the NFL is or should be about. Nothing weird about that. Give me a break. Guys like Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, Michael Strahan, Jason Taylor would never have tolerated this nonsense. Respect earns respect.

Everything in the novel you typed is irrelevant. He was dirtiest player in 09', since he's been with the find have you heard ANYTHING bad coming from him/the organization. Cool, he's a hot head but he's a ******* lineman. If you want the people protecting your qb soft, then you're out you're mind. He called Pouncey a *****, what's the difference?? We all know he's a ****, and I'm not saying incognito is the good guy but this happens EVERYWHERE IN SPORTS, especially the nfl. What I'm saying, which I probably should have indicated, is that Martin shouldn't have even had to do this. He should've stood up for himself, like a MAN, and not run away like a little *****. If incognito kept going then get in his face or some ****. The man Jon jones, he's a regular dude. ****, Martin is bigger than him. Don't run away, it didn't even have to come to this.

 

[canesman]

Aaron Hernandez has been on a murderous rampage for two years. Hernandez is tight with Mike Pouncey. Mike Pouncey is tight with Richie Incognito. Ritchie Incognito has a diagnosed mental disorder which caused him to start taking paxil to control himself.

Jovon Belcher drove to the Chiefs training facility and killed himself after killing his girlfriend. Paul Oliver shot himself in front of his family. Junior Seau...etc.

It is conceivable that Martin feared for his life. It is fair to say that most players in the NFL own guns. It is a matter of time before a teammate kills another teammate over a card game or something less.

This has nothing to do with bullying. This has to do with money, drugs, booze, anger, depression, pain, etc.

Martin is a high IQ kid who probably felt obligated to play football because of his physical ability. He probably hated football. I lasted one day at football practice in HS, but would have continued if I thought I could play in the NFL and make 10 mil a year. He was not cut out to deal with a guy like Incognito.

Open your eyes.

 

[dycane]

I hate the word bully...dude is a 300 pound grown *** mam. If you can't tell somebody you're not gonna do something then walk away your soft. Plain and simple. Incognito is a **** yes, bit Martin let incognito get in his head. Weak minded individual right there.

Not all people have strong minds and tough skins. That just the way it is. The role of civilized society is to somehow protect the softer minds like we protect other members of society with weaker traits. To somehow look at Martin as a weirdo and call him other names shows that some people, even here on this message board, will not come to defend their own relatives and family members if they are weak. Mentally or physically. Sad.

It's been said before in the thread; maybe playing in the nfl isn't his calling. He's going to get eaten alive when he comes back, is he gonna run away then?

So, you think Martin's the outlier here as opposed to the guy who: (1) got kicked off two college teams; (2) flipped over his college coach's desk in a fit of rage; (3) was blacklisted by several NFL teams before the draft; (4) has admitted to having substance abuse issues; (5) is considered by a wide margin the dirtiest player in the league; (6) has called Martin and Sapp n*ggers; (7) thinks it's appropriate to leverage his position of seniority to make rookies subsidize his lifestyle; and (7) admitted that he needed to get on Paxil and into therapy in order to keep himself under control. Yeah, that 30 year old man half naked raging like a douche at Blondies definitely is what the NFL is or should be about. Nothing weird about that. Give me a break. Guys like Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, Michael Strahan, Jason Taylor would never have tolerated this nonsense. Respect earns respect.

Everything in the novel you typed is irrelevant. He was dirtiest player in 09', since he's been with the find have you heard ANYTHING bad coming from him/the organization. Cool, he's a hot head but he's a ****ing lineman. If you want the people protecting your qb soft, then you're out you're mind. He called Pouncey a ****, what's the difference?? We all know he's a ****, and I'm not saying incognito is the good guy but this happens EVERYWHERE IN SPORTS, especially the nfl. What I'm saying, which I probably should have indicated, is that Martin shouldn't have even had to do this. He should've stood up for himself, like a MAN, and not run away like a little ****. If incognito kept going then get in his face or some ****. The man Jon jones, he's a regular dude. ****, Martin is bigger than him. Don't run away, it didn't even have to come to this.

Listen, man, you can either take me at my word or think that I enjoy wasting my time coming up with fanciful stories about some fat f*ck lineman. I've seen first hand how the man acts outside the locker room. And that tells me all I need to know about what Martin was up against.

This doesn't happen everywhere in sports. Where do you get this from? If he's so talented (as you say) and this stuff is commonplace, then why is it that he was kicked off both his college teams and blacklisted by a host of NFL teams who decided before the draft they wouldn't take him in any round, period? You think that what you see in that TMZ video is acceptable for a 30 year old man who is part of your organization's leadership council? You think it's normal for a 30 year old multimillionaire to continue to force guys 10 years younger than him to pay for his booze, drugs, and hookers? You see, it's not so easy to say Martin "should have" stepped up to Cognito given the fact that the Dolphins set him up as a leader and the locker room was full of idiots like Pouncey who thought it was cool that Incognito -- like his boy Hernandez -- was a raging psychopath.

 

[nystateofmind]

dycane, share some specific stories with us that won't implicate your crew.

I'll shoot you a PM. Don't trust the trolls on this board and the way in which things tend to migrate into other forums. I don't need to justify my position to these dolts who think that forcing your teammates to pay for your personal life, or parading around a local bar in a drunken rage, or belittling a teammate with racial epithets constitute leadership qualities.

I'd like a PM as well.

 

[chipbrierre]

Everyone at Dolphins now is saying Incognito and Martin were friends, tight, best friends, brothers, etc. Who's buying who's selling?

 

[DreCooL]

Not all people have strong minds and tough skins. That just the way it is. The role of civilized society is to somehow protect the softer minds like we protect other members of society with weaker traits. To somehow look at Martin as a weirdo and call him other names shows that some people, even here on this message board, will not come to defend their own relatives and family members if they are weak. Mentally or physically. Sad.

It's been said before in the thread; maybe playing in the nfl isn't his calling. He's going to get eaten alive when he comes back, is he gonna run away then?

So, you think Martin's the outlier here as opposed to the guy who: (1) got kicked off two college teams; (2) flipped over his college coach's desk in a fit of rage; (3) was blacklisted by several NFL teams before the draft; (4) has admitted to having substance abuse issues; (5) is considered by a wide margin the dirtiest player in the league; (6) has called Martin and Sapp n*ggers; (7) thinks it's appropriate to leverage his position of seniority to make rookies subsidize his lifestyle; and (7) admitted that he needed to get on Paxil and into therapy in order to keep himself under control. Yeah, that 30 year old man half naked raging like a douche at Blondies definitely is what the NFL is or should be about. Nothing weird about that. Give me a break. Guys like Ray Lewis, Derrick Brooks, Michael Strahan, Jason Taylor would never have tolerated this nonsense. Respect earns respect.

Everything in the novel you typed is irrelevant. He was dirtiest player in 09', since he's been with the find have you heard ANYTHING bad coming from him/the organization. Cool, he's a hot head but he's a ****ing lineman. If you want the people protecting your qb soft, then you're out you're mind. He called Pouncey a ****, what's the difference?? We all know he's a ****, and I'm not saying incognito is the good guy but this happens EVERYWHERE IN SPORTS, especially the nfl. What I'm saying, which I probably should have indicated, is that Martin shouldn't have even had to do this. He should've stood up for himself, like a MAN, and not run away like a little ****. If incognito kept going then get in his face or some ****. The man Jon jones, he's a regular dude. ****, Martin is bigger than him. Don't run away, it didn't even have to come to this.

Listen, man, you can either take me at my word or think that I enjoy wasting my time coming up with fanciful stories about some fat f*ck lineman. I've seen first hand how the man acts outside the locker room. And that tells me all I need to know about what Martin was up against.

This doesn't happen everywhere in sports. Where do you get this from? If he's so talented (as you say) and this stuff is commonplace, then why is it that he was kicked off both his college teams and blacklisted by a host of NFL teams who decided before the draft they wouldn't take him in any round, period? You think that what you see in that TMZ video is acceptable for a 30 year old man who is part of your organization's leadership council? You think it's normal for a 30 year old multimillionaire to continue to force guys 10 years younger than him to pay for his booze, drugs, and hookers? You see, it's not so easy to say Martin "should have" stepped up to Cognito given the fact that the Dolphins set him up as a leader and the locker room was full of idiots like Pouncey who thought it was cool that Incognito -- like his boy Hernandez -- was a raging psychopath.

Never said he was "so talented" I said he is one of the best blockers on that line and has played great and under control with his stint with the phins. & are you kidding me man? Are you seriously going to sit here and say players in other sports don't do the same exact ****? Constantly harass and talk **** to each other? I mean ****, it happens in high school sports. You can't be that oblivious.

 

[Crazy4thecanes]

OMG. Stop, please. Society is soft because there is outrage over the unchecked over the line actions of a mentally disturbed NFL player? Seriously? If something like this isn't even mildly bothersome then what is?

"Some guys are wired different" = some guys are soft

If you're that soft, maybe you shouldn't play in the NFL

Our society has an entitlement complex that is out of control. Not everyone is cut out for pro football and men shouldn't have to change their culture just so you can fit in. Our society promotes a full out assault on men and aggressive behavior. Football is the latest item on the chopping block. Men are not allowed to be men anymore, and most of us are so conditioned by this society that we can't see it.

 

[DreCooL]

But all in all Martin is soft and it didn't have to come to this

 

[Crazy4thecanes]

Everyone at Dolphins now is saying Incognito and Martin were friends, tight, best friends, brothers, etc. Who's buying who's selling?

Did the team lawyers tell them to say that? Sounds like a pretty crafty way to diffuse the situation, no?

 

[4Canes]

Oh no, can't be dy says it so it must be. He's an insider, SMH.
So everybody's lying in favor of Incognito huh dy?

 

[Bryden1207]

There are 3 sides to every story.

 

[Stingarov]

Everyone's covering their own *** in the situation and ignoring the Dolphins counsel to keep quiet. It almost mirrors the plot of A Few Good Men, so I'm not exactly sure why anyone is surprised by the doubling down on the comments they've made; they signaled this was the road they were heading down by their silence earlier.

 

[TRock305]

Dolphins have a .500 record and the O-line isn't particularly great. Philbin should've focused on toughening up Incognito and Pouncy...