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Alex_Dynamix said:
Running the ball is the better answer when your QB keeps throwing it to the other team the hoping he’ll figure it out a couple INTs later
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Or, just hear me out, coach your quarterback. Just hoping he’d figure it out is EXACTLY what he did.
 
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"This seems the most likely early scenario, from what I've been told as well. I think Hartline will at least get to decide if he thinks he's ready to handle all that comes with being OC."

"If Hartline is the sole OC and fails, he is going to get fired. Hiring a co-OC at least gives you cover."

"We’ll see what Day eventually decides but if this is the choice it’s a huge step back in the experience of the coaching staff. This would definitely be the riskiest of options for Day."
 
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DTP said:
Or, just hear me out, coach your quarterback. Just hoping he’d figure it out is EXACTLY what he did.
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Or they coached him n he jus didn’t have it, unless you were at practice wit em we’ll never know what coaching he received. im just going off results, he went elsewhere to prove himself n still ended up on the bench @ SMU.
 
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theribdoctor said:
to be fair, Marvins Sophomore season and Smiths Freshman season were pretty similar.

Marvin:
77 catches 1263 yard, 16.4 clip, 14TDs in 13 games

Smith:

76 catches 1315 yards, 17.3 clip, 15TDs in 16 games

Marvin did it in 3 less games.
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For further comparison, it's important to state that MHJ was 20.06 years old while Jeremiah Smith was 18.75 Years old in this comparison as well.

Games against B10 and SEC:
MHJ: 59 catches, 921 yards (15.6 Y/C), 9 TDs. 2 carries 32 yards
Smith: 57 catches, 946 yards (16.6 Y/C), 10 TDs. 5 carries 52 yards, 1 TD

In Wins:
MHJ: 65 catches, 1,037 yards (15.95 Y/C), 11TDs, 2 carries 32 yards
Smith: 62 catches, 1,180 yards (19.03 Y/C), 13 TDs, 6 carries 47 yards, 1 TD
*Smith has a significantly worse statline in his losses. Could signify that he was a larger contributor to his team winning in losing...?
 
Alex_Dynamix said:
Or they coached him n he jus didn’t have it, unless you were at practice wit em we’ll never know what coaching he received. im just going off results, he went elsewhere to prove himself n still ended up on the bench @ SMU.
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If you look at his career (64% 7900 yards 55/23 ratio) it’s obvious that there was at least some reasonable talent there. You don’t throw for 8000 yards as a fluke. Wisconsin also fired their offensive coordinator last year and their head coach will likely get canned this year. I’m going to assume Dawson is better than the guy they had.

My point isn’t that Van Dyke was a great player, he’s not, he’s clearly flawed. It’s that he wasn’t some hopeless failure that no coach could help. I do have a feeling that injuries had something to do with it though. The three game stretch of Virginia, NC state and FSU we were particularly pathetic offensively and he threw half of his season total of interceptions in those three games. Then he miraculously played well again the last two games of the season.

Carson Beck had a tendency to throw interceptions in bunches last year. We’ll see how Dawson handles that if it happens again this year.
 
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DTP said:
Also, it’s not that TVD was/is a great quarterback it’s that he was struggling with something and our QB coach’s answer to it was…. Run the ball? Worst case scenario you bench him for the backup but we saw that and the backup was even worse. So we’ve had three guys start games for us at quarterback. One guy was a finished product and he was incredible. The other guys needed coaching and were mediocre at best. It’s a good thing we’ve got another finished product coming in next year.
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You can be the greatest coach in the world, if the player doesn't put the work in, then it doesn't matter

You can also have the worst coach, but if a player wants it, then they will do the work to improve themselves

Who's to say TVD wasn't checked out a bit knowing his job is safe because he knew Emory was hot garbage? That's on Mario for not having a competent backup to push TVD
 
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TrumpyCane said:
You can be the greatest coach in the world, if the player doesn't put the work in, then it doesn't matter

You can also have the worst coach, but if a player wants it, then they will do the work to improve themselves

Who's to say TVD wasn't checked out a bit knowing his job is safe because he knew Emory was hot garbage? That's on Mario for not having a competent backup to push TVD
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That’s possible. Maybe Van Dyke just phoned it in and gave up on a pro career.

We fired our DC because our defense sucked. We fired our DB coach because our DBs sucked. We fired the old QB coach because the QBs didn’t perform. Now with this particular coach, why was it not his fault if the QBs underperformed? That’s really my whole point. I’m not just going to give Dawson a free pass because Cam Ward was great. If Luke Nickel or Emory Williams or Judd Anderson develop into good players, I’ll give him credit.
 
DTP said:
That’s possible. Maybe Van Dyke just phoned it in and gave up on a pro career.

We fired our DC because our defense sucked. We fired our DB coach because our DBs sucked. We fired the old QB coach because the QBs didn’t perform. Now with this particular coach, why was it not his fault if the QBs underperformed? That’s really my whole point. I’m not just going to give Dawson a free pass because Cam Ward was great. If Luke Nickel or Emory Williams or Judd Anderson develop into good players, I’ll give him credit.
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Because Dawson has a track record

He has multiple QBs who started in the NFL, he turned Clayton Tune, a lowly prospect into a NFL draft pick who started a NFL game. Cam Ward went from a Day 3 pick to the #1 pick.

TVD's track record is a couple good games as a RSFreshman, an awful sophomore year, a handful of good games as a junior, and 2 mediocre at best games for Wisconsin. TVD is who he is, a ok college QB, nothing wrong with that in TrumpyCane's opinion.

BTW we didn't fire our DB coach, last QB coach, both left because we fired the coordinators
 
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