Golden's First True Senior Class

[BigDikCane]

Don't forget Golden is a pzzy...

 

[rok]

When you look at the names on this senior class, they are much better than what we have had the last 2 years as seniors for sure.

But they are still nowhere near what a Miami senior class is supposed to look like... Specially on defense.

The junior class "looks" like a Miami class as do the sophomore and freshman classes.

I do not disagree with anything you said. However, we're not asking for a national championship. What we're asking for is simple: an outright Coastal Division title.

WTCOGOOMS

 

[moshated305]

This is the class Golden pieced together, his first "real" class will be Seniors next year.

This, it's unfair to call this his first senior class.

Its very fair. There have been other coaches that finished up much better than he did on the new job. ****, Shannon had a more impressive haul in 2007. Golden just isn't the big time recruiter people on here make him out to be which is evident by not only that year but every year after except 2012 where he got the new coach bump.

 

[moshated305]

And they weren't playing teams like Virginia and Pitt. Those Pac 12 offenses are no joke. Over half their teams are in the top 40 in total offense plus the meat grinders that are Stanford. Us? Nope. We give up 360 yards to Wake Forest, who averaged like 290 YPG and finished ranked 118 out of 123

Your post prompted me to throw this together. It's a chart that shows Miami's opponents offensive numbers vs what they did against us. I removed the FAU and Savannah State games. We only managed to hold 2 teams below their season average. And one of those two was against FSU who we still allowed 500+ yards against and only 2 yards below their season average.

but what was our offenses 3rd down coversion %? probably cut some of those yards if they coulda stayed on the field

Overplayed excuse. USC, TCU, USF and VT were all worse than us on 3rd down offensively but still managed to put up top 25 defenses last year. UF was also very bad on 3rd down but still finished 8th in total defense.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

And they weren't playing teams like Virginia and Pitt. Those Pac 12 offenses are no joke. Over half their teams are in the top 40 in total offense plus the meat grinders that are Stanford. Us? Nope. We give up 360 yards to Wake Forest, who averaged like 290 YPG and finished ranked 118 out of 123

Your post prompted me to throw this together. It's a chart that shows Miami's opponents offensive numbers vs what they did against us. I removed the FAU and Savannah State games. We only managed to hold 2 teams below their season average. And one of those two was against FSU who we still allowed 500+ yards against and only 2 yards below their season average.

but what was our offenses 3rd down coversion %? probably cut some of those yards if they coulda stayed on the field

Overplayed excuse. USC, TCU, USF and VT were all worse than us on 3rd down offensively but still managed to put up top 25 defenses last year. UF was also very bad on 3rd down but still finished 8th in total defense.

UF ranked 3rd in Time of Possession at 33:49 per game.
VT 8th @ 33:18
USC 10th @ 33:04
TCU 49th @ 30:23

and then us
Miami ranked 120th at 25:58.

Also for as bad as our defense was, they forced 27 turnovers good for 23rd nationally. More than any of the above teams mentioned except for TCU which forced 28. So they were taking the ball back and giving it the offense. Still our offense couldn't possess the football for at least equally to our opponents.

 

[MadCane]

This is the class Golden pieced together, his first "real" class will be Seniors next year.

This, it's unfair to call this his first senior class.

I'm being lenient by calling this his first true senior class. He had 3 years to get anything out of the 2013 seniors. Granted, he extracted an astonishing amount out of walking corpses like Shayon and Gaines and Rodgers, but enough of the ****ing hand holding.

Either he wins the Coastal in 2014 or get him the **** out of my sight.

Two different issues that you are confusing.

- He definitely should win the Coastal this year. He has enough on the roster to do it.
- This is NOT his first senior class. Anyone with any degree of fairness understands that.

 

[moshated305]

And they weren't playing teams like Virginia and Pitt. Those Pac 12 offenses are no joke. Over half their teams are in the top 40 in total offense plus the meat grinders that are Stanford. Us? Nope. We give up 360 yards to Wake Forest, who averaged like 290 YPG and finished ranked 118 out of 123

Your post prompted me to throw this together. It's a chart that shows Miami's opponents offensive numbers vs what they did against us. I removed the FAU and Savannah State games. We only managed to hold 2 teams below their season average. And one of those two was against FSU who we still allowed 500+ yards against and only 2 yards below their season average.

but what was our offenses 3rd down coversion %? probably cut some of those yards if they coulda stayed on the field

Overplayed excuse. USC, TCU, USF and VT were all worse than us on 3rd down offensively but still managed to put up top 25 defenses last year. UF was also very bad on 3rd down but still finished 8th in total defense.

UF ranked 3rd in Time of Possession at 33:49 per game.
VT 8th @ 33:18
USC 10th @ 33:04
TCU 49th @ 30:23

and then us
Miami ranked 120th at 25:58.

Also for as bad as our defense was, they forced 27 turnovers good for 23rd nationally. More than any of the above teams mentioned except for TCU which forced 28. So they were taking the ball back and giving it the offense. Still our offense couldn't possess the football for at least equally to our opponents.

T.O.P doesn't tell it all. You ever thought those teams had high T.O.P because their defense was able to get off the field even when their offense put them in bad situations. Our defense was shredded whether the opposing team got the ball inside their own 10 or inside our 10. My point still stands, being bad offensively at converting 3rd downs doesn't excuse the **** poor defense.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Your post prompted me to throw this together. It's a chart that shows Miami's opponents offensive numbers vs what they did against us. I removed the FAU and Savannah State games. We only managed to hold 2 teams below their season average. And one of those two was against FSU who we still allowed 500+ yards against and only 2 yards below their season average.

but what was our offenses 3rd down coversion %? probably cut some of those yards if they coulda stayed on the field

Overplayed excuse. USC, TCU, USF and VT were all worse than us on 3rd down offensively but still managed to put up top 25 defenses last year. UF was also very bad on 3rd down but still finished 8th in total defense.

UF ranked 3rd in Time of Possession at 33:49 per game.
VT 8th @ 33:18
USC 10th @ 33:04
TCU 49th @ 30:23

and then us
Miami ranked 120th at 25:58.

Also for as bad as our defense was, they forced 27 turnovers good for 23rd nationally. More than any of the above teams mentioned except for TCU which forced 28. So they were taking the ball back and giving it the offense. Still our offense couldn't possess the football for at least equally to our opponents.

T.O.P doesn't tell it all. You ever thought those teams had high T.O.P because their defense was able to get off the field even when their offense put them in bad situations. Our defense was shredded whether the opposing team got the ball inside their own 10 or inside our 10. My point still stands, being bad offensively at converting 3rd downs doesn't excuse the **** poor defense.

Nothing really tells it all. Its usually a combinations of things.
But it's not coincidence that the defenses you pointed out had offenses that could to possess the ball and that ultimately helped the defense by keeping them off the field. You can't get yards put on your defense if theyre on the sidelines.

 

[NVA CANE]

If you have a problem with anyone saying win the coastal or get out then you are a ***** that has no pride in your team or yourself. Go root for temple you no self respect, low expectation having ******s.

That is all

 

[moshated305]

but what was our offenses 3rd down coversion %? probably cut some of those yards if they coulda stayed on the field

Overplayed excuse. USC, TCU, USF and VT were all worse than us on 3rd down offensively but still managed to put up top 25 defenses last year. UF was also very bad on 3rd down but still finished 8th in total defense.

UF ranked 3rd in Time of Possession at 33:49 per game.
VT 8th @ 33:18
USC 10th @ 33:04
TCU 49th @ 30:23

and then us
Miami ranked 120th at 25:58.

Also for as bad as our defense was, they forced 27 turnovers good for 23rd nationally. More than any of the above teams mentioned except for TCU which forced 28. So they were taking the ball back and giving it the offense. Still our offense couldn't possess the football for at least equally to our opponents.

T.O.P doesn't tell it all. You ever thought those teams had high T.O.P because their defense was able to get off the field even when their offense put them in bad situations. Our defense was shredded whether the opposing team got the ball inside their own 10 or inside our 10. My point still stands, being bad offensively at converting 3rd downs doesn't excuse the **** poor defense.

Nothing really tells it all. Its usually a combinations of things.
But it's not coincidence that the defenses you pointed out had offenses that could to possess the ball and that ultimately helped the defense by keeping them off the field. You can't get yards put on your defense if theyre on the sidelines.

These weren't some juggernaut offenses. Miami has a better offense than all of those teams. The problem was our offense got so few chances because the defense could not get off the field. Those teams simply got more chances because they had a defense with a pulse.

 

[rok]

Perryman
Dorsett
Chickillo
Pierre
Armbrister
Scott
Williams
Gunter
Fentress
Sandland

This is 150% Golden's first true senior class at Miami. Those are his guys.

 

[cane305]

Perryman
Dorsett
Chickillo
Pierre
Armbrister
Scott
Williams
Gunter
Fentress
Sandland

This is 150% Golden's first true senior class at Miami. Those are his guys.

why you keep forgetting Crawford? the safety.

 

[AUcane]

Just like last year it all comes down to the QB. If Morris wasn't god awful, Golden would have much greater standing.

This isn't true. It all comes down to the defense. Each and every loss last year was attributable to the defense.

This isn't true. As usually is the case, a myriad of factors contribute to losses. Offense unable to sustain drives and convert on 3rd downs was equally attributable to losses as the defense.

I don't know about "equally" but it definitely played a role. Our defense sucked, we get it. But, our offense consistently made if doubly hard for our defense. I put blame on our offense. How much exactly is impossible to define.

 

[Spidercane]

Perryman
Dorsett
Chickillo
Pierre
Armbrister
Scott
Williams
Gunter
Fentress
Sandland

This is 150% Golden's first true senior class at Miami. Those are his guys.

why you keep forgetting Crawford? the safety.

Crawford is a RS Jr. this season.