Golden vs. Shannon

[MiamiNites]

Nites to some extent I understand what your saying, I think. My question to you is at the time Miami hired Golden, do you thiNk that The Miami football program as a whole from facilities, atmosphere, fan base etc..... Could compare to Alabama when Saban was hired and USC when Carrol was hired. No doubt Miami is Still and will always be one of the best football programs. However at the same time I would say that possibly Saban, and Carrol had it easier in terms of selling there programs to impact recruits from the start, compared to what Golden jumped into.

Diaagree. usc sucked for most of the deacde before carrol came and saban inherited a 6-7 team. It could be argue'd that Both saban and carrol walked into worse situations or just as bad as what Golden walked into.

 

[MiamiNites]

Who cares if he had only a month? saban ( a coach you guys like to compare him too) had less time and he brought in kareem jackson. pete carrol has less time and brought in good players at need positions. lol at these excuses you guys come up with. pay attention to the rest of cfb.

This is the most potatoe'd bull**** line you trot out there. Neither Saban nor Carrol had significantly more successful seasons than did Golden in year 1. There's no way to tell, yet, if any of the guys Golden brought in in year 1 will be impact guys or not. Jackson was a juco kid, and not a bigtime recruit until Saban got involved. You may turn out to be right, but there is no possible way to know yet. You certainly can't throw this tripe out as if it were fact, yet.

Stop tryin to creat BS. no one said anything about success record wise and JAckson started 12 of 13 games as a true frosh. GTFOOH with that JUCO BS you made that up. Jackson went to prep school and played 3 years at Bama and who gibves a **** if he wasn't a big time recruit. that statement is meaningless. Saban identified a need and went out and got an impact player at a need position.

The point is saban, in less time, went out and got an impact player at a need position.

LMAO @ you trying to campare saban's first year to Golden's based on record alone when 2 of saban losses came to final ap #1 and #2 teams. Golden had losses to 2-10 amryland (LMFAO) and 4-8 BC. a dam shame.

 

[MiamiNites]

Did not read the first 3 pages but the short time AG has been on the job he has increased the Miami Hurricanes visibility in the tri-counties and is re-establishing relationships with certain schools in S FL. He gets it. Now all he has to is win the Coastal and he will make all of Randy's Rangers STFU.

I was a big RS supporter and I wanted him to succeed but he isnt cut out to be the CEO of a football team. DC yes, principal yes, AD sure, but not a head football coach.

what certain schools?

Miami Central and Tampa Plant are 2 off the top of my head

I'll give you plant but they made up. The central coach was just mad that shannon didn't like any of his players and since al luios jean has out performed Finnie up to this point he looks to be right. Matter of fact, the central coach said alot of the coaches in south fl loved shannon.

 

[MiamiNites]

Nites, you're using USC and Alabama to compare what Golden walked into at Miami?

USC? Huge program, lots of money, public school, lots of support, and lots of name brand. How hard was it for Pete Carrol to come in and start recruiting compared to Golden coming into Miami and recruiting? It would take an idiot to compare the two, and I'm talking real **** for brains.

Alabama? Saban won like **** at LSU for years, including a NC. Alabama offers him a king's ransom in pay - all publicly noted - and you would suggest he'd have a hard time recruiting for Alabama? You'd suggest that one of the most successful, long-time, established football programs with a state full of fanatics would have trouble recruiting?

Is that what you're comparing Miami - a small private school to? Seriously?

I don't mind unable as I can enable. I don't mind ignorance as I can teach.

But stupid is elective, and no one can fix stupid.

Randy.

USC is a private school and one year in the 90's they won 3 games (3-8). The 3 years before carrol got there usc went, 6-6, 5-7 and 6-6. In 2003 bama went 4-9 and then 6-6. The above info pretty much makes you post meaningless.

Was Miami some huge public school in the 80's, 90's or early 2000's ? Your point is totally irrelevent.

 

[Biscuits]

Who cares if he had only a month? saban ( a coach you guys like to compare him too) had less time and he brought in kareem jackson. pete carrol has less time and brought in good players at need positions. lol at these excuses you guys come up with. pay attention to the rest of cfb.

This is the most potatoe'd bull**** line you trot out there. Neither Saban nor Carrol had significantly more successful seasons than did Golden in year 1. There's no way to tell, yet, if any of the guys Golden brought in in year 1 will be impact guys or not. Jackson was a juco kid, and not a bigtime recruit until Saban got involved. You may turn out to be right, but there is no possible way to know yet. You certainly can't throw this tripe out as if it were fact, yet.

Stop tryin to creat BS. no one said anything about success record wise and JAckson started 12 of 13 games as a true frosh. GTFOOH with that JUCO BS you made that up. Jackson went to prep school and played 3 years at Bama and who gibves a **** if he wasn't a big time recruit. that statement is meaningless. Saban identified a need and went out and got an impact player at a need position.

The point is saban, in less time, went out and got an impact player at a need position.

LMAO @ you trying to campare saban's first year to Golden's based on record alone when 2 of saban losses came to final ap #1 and #2 teams. Golden had losses to 2-10 amryland (LMFAO) and 4-8 BC. a dam shame.

Juco. Prep. Big ******* deal. Your point is still impossible to defend at this moment in time. You're already ******* backtracking. "who gibves a **** if he wasn't a big time recruit." Bigtime recruits are generally good players, often at positions of need. You're equivocating because your point is retarded.

At this point, it's pretty **** easy to say he was a big time, impact player, after his career is wrapped up. We could be saying the same things about Perryman, Chick, Bush, Howard, or a number of players Golden brought in already. I've never said you'll always be wrong. I'm saying you're stuck on a bull**** point in an effort to discredit a coach who has ample opportunity to do exactly what you're saying he hasn't. Your comments on the losses are infuriating, but they have merit. This bull**** doesn't.

 

[NorthFlaCane]

Stop quoting Nites

 

[Biscuits]

Stop quoting Nites

My bad.

 

[Core Values]

Nites

What are some good things Al Golden has done?

 

[deleted3746]

@Nites - add Columbus to that list too. I am looking for a link.

@Diego - thanks for that.


http://www.footballscoop.com/news/4125-high-school

 

[deleted3746]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports...n-makes-an-effort-1246347.html?printArticle=y

 

[deleted3746]

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...vate-relationships-with-local-hs-coaches.html

 

[MiamiNites]

Who cares if he had only a month? saban ( a coach you guys like to compare him too) had less time and he brought in kareem jackson. pete carrol has less time and brought in good players at need positions. lol at these excuses you guys come up with. pay attention to the rest of cfb.

This is the most potatoe'd bull**** line you trot out there. Neither Saban nor Carrol had significantly more successful seasons than did Golden in year 1. There's no way to tell, yet, if any of the guys Golden brought in in year 1 will be impact guys or not. Jackson was a juco kid, and not a bigtime recruit until Saban got involved. You may turn out to be right, but there is no possible way to know yet. You certainly can't throw this tripe out as if it were fact, yet.

Stop tryin to creat BS. no one said anything about success record wise and JAckson started 12 of 13 games as a true frosh. GTFOOH with that JUCO BS you made that up. Jackson went to prep school and played 3 years at Bama and who gibves a **** if he wasn't a big time recruit. that statement is meaningless. Saban identified a need and went out and got an impact player at a need position.

The point is saban, in less time, went out and got an impact player at a need position.

LMAO @ you trying to campare saban's first year to Golden's based on record alone when 2 of saban losses came to final ap #1 and #2 teams. Golden had losses to 2-10 amryland (LMFAO) and 4-8 BC. a dam shame.

Juco. Prep. Big ******* deal. Your point is still impossible to defend at this moment in time. You're already ******* backtracking. "who gibves a **** if he wasn't a big time recruit." Bigtime recruits are generally good players, often at positions of need. You're equivocating because your point is retarded.

At this point, it's pretty **** easy to say he was a big time, impact player, after his career is wrapped up. We could be saying the same things about Perryman, Chick, Bush, Howard, or a number of players Golden brought in already. I've never said you'll always be wrong. I'm saying you're stuck on a bull**** point in an effort to discredit a coach who has ample opportunity to do exactly what you're saying he hasn't. Your comments on the losses are infuriating, but they have merit. This bull**** doesn't.

You sound like a dam clown. good coaches go out and find good players and that's exactly what saban did. who gives a **** if he was highly recruited (which you don't know any dam ways) lmao @ u.

 

[MiamiNites]

Nites

What are some good things Al Golden has done?

answer'd this in another thread. go find it.

 

[MiamiNites]

((((YAWN)))) at thred killa's links. meaningless.

 

[Core Values]

Nites your playing the results with Kareem Jackson.

Your trying to make it sound like Jackson was a stud coming out of Prep and Saban recruited him in a month to come to Bama. Which is not true. Saban had to out recruit Akron, Bowling Green, UConn, Vandy, Ohio ( not Ohio State), New Mexico State and ....... Temple(Al Golden). As much as your trying to make Kareem Jackson into a stud CB that everyone was recruiting it's not true. I think it's more of a Saban evaluating him then out recruiting everyone. Which by the way Al Golden saw something in his evaluation as well to recruit him.

Also look at Saban's recruiting Class that year. With a month of recruiting He didn't get alot of talent that year. Which not sure why you didn't bring up his prize CB recruit Tarence Farmer that year? Now the following year is when Saban blow up with recruits.

I never did see where you listed the good things Al Golden has done

 

[SigEp77]

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sport...vate-relationships-with-local-hs-coaches.html

Don't waste your time with Nites. He's Xavier Shannon and plays the fool for ol' dent head.

 

[SantaMonicaTC]

Who cares if he had only a month? saban ( a coach you guys like to compare him too) had less time and he brought in kareem jackson. pete carrol has less time and brought in good players at need positions. lol at these excuses you guys come up with. pay attention to the rest of cfb.

This is the most potatoe'd bull**** line you trot out there. Neither Saban nor Carrol had significantly more successful seasons than did Golden in year 1. There's no way to tell, yet, if any of the guys Golden brought in in year 1 will be impact guys or not. Jackson was a juco kid, and not a bigtime recruit until Saban got involved. You may turn out to be right, but there is no possible way to know yet. You certainly can't throw this tripe out as if it were fact, yet.

Stop tryin to creat BS. no one said anything about success record wise and JAckson started 12 of 13 games as a true frosh. GTFOOH with that JUCO BS you made that up. Jackson went to prep school and played 3 years at Bama and who gibves a **** if he wasn't a big time recruit. that statement is meaningless. Saban identified a need and went out and got an impact player at a need position.

The point is saban, in less time, went out and got an impact player at a need position.

LMAO @ you trying to campare saban's first year to Golden's based on record alone when 2 of saban losses came to final ap #1 and #2 teams. Golden had losses to 2-10 amryland (LMFAO) and 4-8 BC. a dam shame.

Juco. Prep. Big ****ing deal. Your point is still impossible to defend at this moment in time. You're already ****ing backtracking. "who gibves a **** if he wasn't a big time recruit." Bigtime recruits are generally good players, often at positions of need. You're equivocating because your point is retarded.

At this point, it's pretty **** easy to say he was a big time, impact player, after his career is wrapped up. We could be saying the same things about Perryman, Chick, Bush, Howard, or a number of players Golden brought in already. I've never said you'll always be wrong. I'm saying you're stuck on a bull**** point in an effort to discredit a coach who has ample opportunity to do exactly what you're saying he hasn't. Your comments on the losses are infuriating, but they have merit. This bull**** doesn't.

How's he back tracking? Saban went out and got player at a need position just like he said. You haven't said anything to refute his point. A lot of you guys hate on the guy for no reason except for the fact that he's right about a lot of the things he says. Comes off like an a-hole but whatever.

 

[Ghandi]

It looks like we need to add a new s/n to Nites.

Look at the reply on Kareem Jackson to find what you need regarding his response to Saban/Carroll "killing" it in their first year recruiting. It is simply just not true.

 

[D7.]

Nites your playing the results with Kareem Jackson.

Your trying to make it sound like Jackson was a stud coming out of Prep and Saban recruited him in a month to come to Bama. Which is not true. Saban had to out recruit Akron, Bowling Green, UConn, Vandy, Ohio ( not Ohio State), New Mexico State and ....... Temple(Al Golden). As much as your trying to make Kareem Jackson into a stud CB that everyone was recruiting it's not true. I think it's more of a Saban evaluating him then out recruiting everyone. Which by the way Al Golden saw something in his evaluation as well to recruit him.

Also look at Saban's recruiting Class that year. With a month of recruiting He didn't get alot of talent that year. Which not sure why you didn't bring up his prize CB recruit Tarence Farmer that year? Now the following year is when Saban blow up with recruits.

I never did see where you listed the good things Al Golden has done

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[Dandycane]

"Dey gabe da black man a hard tyme frum da get go!!! Dey neva gabe da black man one iota of breath ta get seddled and bkome a sucksess!!!! I'm gonna gib dis whyte boy da same cot damned treatmen ddey gabe the black man!!!!!!! Paybat's gonna bee a ***** fo da whyte debil!!!!"

- Nights thought process