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Golden vs. Shannon

All he's got to keep this a South Florida thing, make MIAMI South Florida's team, and he's doing it. Worked for Howard and for Jimmy. Alonzo Highsmith said AG is a cross between the two. Scrimmages in Dade, Broward and Palm Beach. Improved relationships with coaches. Round the clock work ethic. The camps. Getting high quality recruits on campus. Constant communication with parents, recruits, and commits.

He is going to get talent in South Florida.
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(referring to thread title)...Gold vs Shannon. It's not even close. Every one of those things mentioned is big boy college football. Shannon wasn't even close to Gold.
 
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Arthur Brown being the #1 overall skewed Shannon's class ranking.

Plus his class was phony, all receivers, with complete zeros for key positions (the star system doesn't take that into account)
 
My impression so far is that Shannon was lazy. He only had one good recruiting year in 2008. The recruiting was getting worse and worse and last year was just a disaster.
Golden is a relentless, hard-working guy. I can see 2013 is going to be another good year (top 10)
 
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VASoulCane said:
tcgrad1014 said:
I'm sure Golden isn't Randy Shannon, but wasn't Randy's first recruiting class ranked #1 in the country? Don't we need to see what Golden does in years 2,3 and beyond to really assess his recruiting? And didn't Randy prove that player development is at least as important as recruiting?
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ABOLUTELY! I was a huge Randy fan, and because of his obvious orange and green colored blood, I was all in with the guy. But Randy let us down in the player development part. The carousel of coordinators was the real problem I think. There are a lot of coaches that make it to "Big Name" status when they take their first HC job without prior experience, but STABILITY will be the backbone of any first time HC regardless of experience and if AL is able to keep his assistants, namely Fisch from bolting at the first sign of success, I believe this will be a rather quick turnaround.
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Shannon failed at other aspects of coaching not developement. How do you have 10 all acc players, 8 players drafted with some starting in the nfl and fail at developing players? You guys need to learn these terminologies so this board can get ta movin a lil better.
 
SmokeyRone said:
Arthur Brown being the #1 overall skewed Shannon's class ranking.

Plus his class was phony, all receivers, with complete zeros for key positions (the star system doesn't take that into account)
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That class had 6 or 7 LBs. One panned out. Unreal. The breakdown of that class was absolutely silly.
 
SFbayCane said:
While any meaningful attempt to compare Corch to Golden is kind of a waste of time, I will say that coach Golden is going to face some serious head winds in his 2013 efforts. I think Randy faced the same thing in 09. When you go around landing kids with the lure of early playing time, you end up with a roster full of young contributors. Next year, coach Golden will not be able to offer much in the way of early PT. He will have to compete with other programs that are stacked AND WINNING. That's where Randy fell short as well.
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That's ridicuous and weak. Golden needs to sell that the best players play. People wanna compare him to saban all the time well saban get's top classes every year so golden can do it to. Golden is suppose to be an upgrade so he needs to act like it.
 
dogcane said:
My impression so far is that Shannon was lazy. He only had one good recruiting year in 2008. The recruiting was getting worse and worse and last year was just a disaster.
Golden is a relentless, hard-working guy. I can see 2013 is going to be another good year (top 10)
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you have no way of proving this silly post. this is comical. other coaches have come in to their programs with less time to recruit and brought in impact year one players. Golden needs to do the same. Mike Williams is not an impact player i'm sorry.
 
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Nites, real talk, don't you get tired of fighting your fight? I mean... everyday. No dog in this race for me, but I literally see the same drivel everysinglegoddamnday.
 
Corch Shammin was a totally lazy and incompetent POS as a recruiter (and as a coach overall). Golden is tireless and dedicated, and has done a **** fine job recruiting under the circumstances.
 
SFbayCane said:
While any meaningful attempt to compare Corch to Golden is kind of a waste of time, I will say that coach Golden is going to face some serious head winds in his 2013 efforts. I think Randy faced the same thing in 09. When you go around landing kids with the lure of early playing time, you end up with a roster full of young contributors. Next year, coach Golden will not be able to offer much in the way of early PT. He will have to compete with other programs that are stacked AND WINNING. That's where Randy fell short as well.
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Completely disagree. I expect golden will pull in more top rated kids next year, or at least a significantly higher average star rating. He's off to a great start, actually. It'll be a smaller class, but he'll have no trouble selling opportunity to kids. And this years class doesn't have that many kids who will scare off next years top kids. As long as the NCAA cloud is resolved without too much pain and we show progress on the field (two IFs), I expect AG to clean up in recruiting. This isn't Shannon you are watching. Its pete Carroll.
 
Having coached in Miami for several years and grown up in Miami, Shannon should have had the area locked down. Golden had to come in and not just establish relationships with coaches, but repair them. I think Golden has done a lot of things right off the field and I like how they never looked out of a game like they did the past few years, not just under Shannon, but Coker too. First year is tough for a coach to come in and put in his system. Look up Saban's first four years at MSU. His record there was 5-6, 6-6, 5-6, 6-6. First year at Alabama he was 7-6 and lost to UL-Monroe. He gets the benefit of the doubt because he's proven himself at LSU and now Alabama. Golden just has Temple, but he has a lot of good coaches impressed from what I've read.
 
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jakeman1 said:
Having coached in Miami for several years and grown up in Miami, Shannon should have had the area locked down. Golden had to come in and not just establish relationships with coaches, but repair them. I think Golden has done a lot of things right off the field and I like how they never looked out of a game like they did the past few years, not just under Shannon, but Coker too. First year is tough for a coach to come in and put in his system. Look up Saban's first four years at MSU. His record there was 5-6, 6-6, 5-6, 6-6. First year at Alabama he was 7-6 and lost to UL-Monroe. He gets the benefit of the doubt because he's proven himself at LSU and now Alabama. Golden just has Temple, but he has a lot of good coaches impressed from what I've read.
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Dumb to compare sabans first 4 years at mich st to golden's here. completely different situations completely different players, teams played etc. same with the silly bama mcomparison.

The "relationship" comment is also silly. Coaches will always complain when you don't recruit there kids for whatever reason when they really should just shut the **** up. could have sworn i read somewhere that HS coaches were mad at miami just recently for some chumpy reason.
 
Not even a legitimate comparison. Shannon had one deceptive "great" recruiting class, and three classes that were way, way behind UF, FSU and other competitors.

How Shannon handled that '08 class tells the story. Totally wasted so many player's redshirts, just for a special teams play or two. Didn't separate Harris and Marve (that was criminal).

Look at what Shannon failed to do in his four classes (ignored high schools that were producing lots of talent, didn't offer where we should, completely ignored some positions until we we had nothing at all there for multiple seasons, etc)
 
MiamiNites said:
jakeman1 said:
Having coached in Miami for several years and grown up in Miami, Shannon should have had the area locked down. Golden had to come in and not just establish relationships with coaches, but repair them. I think Golden has done a lot of things right off the field and I like how they never looked out of a game like they did the past few years, not just under Shannon, but Coker too. First year is tough for a coach to come in and put in his system. Look up Saban's first four years at MSU. His record there was 5-6, 6-6, 5-6, 6-6. First year at Alabama he was 7-6 and lost to UL-Monroe. He gets the benefit of the doubt because he's proven himself at LSU and now Alabama. Golden just has Temple, but he has a lot of good coaches impressed from what I've read.
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Dumb to compare sabans first 4 years at mich st to golden's here. completely different situations completely different players, teams played etc. same with the silly bama mcomparison.

The "relationship" comment is also silly. Coaches will always complain when you don't recruit there kids for whatever reason when they really should just shut the **** up. could have sworn i read somewhere that HS coaches were mad at miami just recently for some chumpy reason.
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What would you say are the good things Al Golden has done?
 
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A while back, I was confused as to why so many guys ragged on Nites - but I was new here.

Like sand in the crack of urass.
 
Core Values said:
MiamiNites said:
jakeman1 said:
Having coached in Miami for several years and grown up in Miami, Shannon should have had the area locked down. Golden had to come in and not just establish relationships with coaches, but repair them. I think Golden has done a lot of things right off the field and I like how they never looked out of a game like they did the past few years, not just under Shannon, but Coker too. First year is tough for a coach to come in and put in his system. Look up Saban's first four years at MSU. His record there was 5-6, 6-6, 5-6, 6-6. First year at Alabama he was 7-6 and lost to UL-Monroe. He gets the benefit of the doubt because he's proven himself at LSU and now Alabama. Golden just has Temple, but he has a lot of good coaches impressed from what I've read.
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Dumb to compare sabans first 4 years at mich st to golden's here. completely different situations completely different players, teams played etc. same with the silly bama mcomparison.

The "relationship" comment is also silly. Coaches will always complain when you don't recruit there kids for whatever reason when they really should just shut the **** up. could have sworn i read somewhere that HS coaches were mad at miami just recently for some chumpy reason.
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What would you say are the good things Al Golden has done?
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he's done and has said alot of good things. he embraces the past, has those scrimmiges at various sites, good job of promoting the program, he constantly preaches tougness ( he just doesn't say it one day and then not mention it again for 3 weeks) he preaches tougness and hard work every single day it seems and that's how you have to be. You have to be relentless and on these kids everyday 24/7/365. Not only is he preaching it seems like he's making sure they do it. Not only do you tell kids this stuff. You MAKE SURE they do it. that goes from anything from position drills, to the wieght room, film study every dam thing. Attention to detail. (this seemd to be a problem with shannon and i fall back to that OL example i've used in the past) All that's fine and dandy but what really matters is what happens on saturday. he and his staff took to dam long to figure what they had as players and did some really silly things on game days. that **** ****es me off. being ahead of the curve is what made miami maimi.
 
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