Fundamental issues

I’m not ready to lump Coach Golden with Shannon and Coker, at least not yet. He works too hard and is too smart.

But the reality is that the results have been the same. We are an annual embarrassment. There remain fundamental problems that Golden needs to overcome if he is going to succeed. Sorry about the length. But there are a lot of issues.

In my opinion, there is one issue that trumps them all: Coach Golden has not adapted his Northeastern mentality to a South Florida program. He is a New Jersey guy who coached at Penn State, Boston College, Virginia and Temple. His professional idols are Bill Parcells, Al Groh and Tom Coughlin. He is as pure of a Northeast guy as it gets.

This manifests itself in three ways. First, it affects the scheme he runs. This has been covered ad nasueum by others with much more technical knowledge. But, at bottom, this scheme is about strength and discipline and our talent pool is about athleticism and playmaking. It doesn't fit, and the results have been historically bad.

Second, his background affects his talent evaluation. I don’t believe that Golden fully understands South Florida talent. If you want to learn about Golden’s evaluation principles, look at the guys he offers from his camp. These are less-heralded guys that he sees up close. What have the camps given us? Dwayne Hoillett, Larry Hope, Vernon Davis, Jake O’Donnell and Hunter Knighton. Not one contributor in the group.

Third, the Northeastern mentality affects the way he deals with the athletes. He works these kids hard, which is a good thing. JJ and Schnellenberger worked their kids hard. The UTough program is an unquestioned improvement. But the volume of team-building, community service and Deserve Victory activities is starting to wear on guys. From everything I've heard, this was a tired and unhappy team at the end of the year. South Florida kids are a unique breed. They don’t lack for work ethic or toughness, which is why they succeed in the NFL. But you can’t treat them the same way you treat Penn State players.

Coach Coley understands South Florida talent, but that's not enough. Those guys still need to be coached. Stephen Morris played much better under Jedd Fisch. That's obvious. And although I appreciate Coley’s commitment to a power run game, the execution has been poor. Eduardo Clements is the team’s best short-yardage runner, but we kept giving those carries to Gus Edwards. Even my wife began to key on the personnel groupings—Malcolm Lewis may as well have run on the field with a leather helmet. I like Coach Coley and think he has a bright future, but he still has a lot to prove.

As for Coach D’Onofrio, this board has covered it pretty well. One thing sticks out, though, and it relates to my first point about Coach Golden. South Florida is a linebacker paradise. You could sustain two NFL teams with local linebackers. But in year three, Coach D is still relying on Jimmy Gaines and Tyrone Cornelius. We cooled on James Burgess. Now he's putting our running backs in body bags. Skai Moore was an obvious stud to everyone except the people that matter. These are just two examples. Like Parcells said, you are what your record says you are. Three years in, Coach D's record speaks for itself.

The optimist in me says Golden is smart enough to adapt. The pessimist in me says "you are what you are," especially when you write a 300-page book about your core values. The decisions he makes in the next few months will speak volumes.

How long have I been saying some of this same stuff? SMH

This ain't the Miami brand of football. It's funny considering the guy always talks about "the brand".

Being from the Northeast, and considering his coaching background, I'm not sure he quite "gets" South Florida athletes and the way we play football down here. The Northeast athlete is a different breed.
 
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Didn't read through all of it but Tom Coughlin adapted himself to the NFL with the Giants. His defense wasnt working he went and got someone form Jim Johnson's agressive D in philly and it won them a superbowl with Steve Spagnolo (sic). The others are stuck in their ways. I never understand why coaches just dont do that. If I see something working for another team ill go get someone from the staff and run it for me....simple. Its all ego why they fail. Of course you have to have the personnel but if Golden cant see this defense is a failure he is not for the U
 
I’m not ready to lump Coach Golden with Shannon and Coker, at least not yet. He works too hard and is too smart.

But the reality is that the results have been the same. We are an annual embarrassment. There remain fundamental problems that Golden needs to overcome if he is going to succeed. Sorry about the length. But there are a lot of issues.

In my opinion, there is one issue that trumps them all: Coach Golden has not adapted his Northeastern mentality to a South Florida program. He is a New Jersey guy who coached at Penn State, Boston College, Virginia and Temple. His professional idols are Bill Parcells, Al Groh and Tom Coughlin. He is as pure of a Northeast guy as it gets.

This manifests itself in three ways. First, it affects the scheme he runs. This has been covered ad nasueum by others with much more technical knowledge. But, at bottom, this scheme is about strength and discipline and our talent pool is about athleticism and playmaking. It doesn't fit, and the results have been historically bad.

Second, his background affects his talent evaluation. I don’t believe that Golden fully understands South Florida talent. If you want to learn about Golden’s evaluation principles, look at the guys he offers from his camp. These are less-heralded guys that he sees up close. What have the camps given us? Dwayne Hoillett, Larry Hope, Vernon Davis, Jake O’Donnell and Hunter Knighton. Not one contributor in the group.

Third, the Northeastern mentality affects the way he deals with the athletes. He works these kids hard, which is a good thing. JJ and Schnellenberger worked their kids hard. The UTough program is an unquestioned improvement. But the volume of team-building, community service and Deserve Victory activities is starting to wear on guys. From everything I've heard, this was a tired and unhappy team at the end of the year. South Florida kids are a unique breed. They don’t lack for work ethic or toughness, which is why they succeed in the NFL. But you can’t treat them the same way you treat Penn State players.

Coach Coley understands South Florida talent, but that's not enough. Those guys still need to be coached. Stephen Morris played much better under Jedd Fisch. That's obvious. And although I appreciate Coley’s commitment to a power run game, the execution has been poor. Eduardo Clements is the team’s best short-yardage runner, but we kept giving those carries to Gus Edwards. Even my wife began to key on the personnel groupings—Malcolm Lewis may as well have run on the field with a leather helmet. I like Coach Coley and think he has a bright future, but he still has a lot to prove.

As for Coach D’Onofrio, this board has covered it pretty well. One thing sticks out, though, and it relates to my first point about Coach Golden. South Florida is a linebacker paradise. You could sustain two NFL teams with local linebackers. But in year three, Coach D is still relying on Jimmy Gaines and Tyrone Cornelius. We cooled on James Burgess. Now he's putting our running backs in body bags. Skai Moore was an obvious stud to everyone except the people that matter. These are just two examples. Like Parcells said, you are what your record says you are. Three years in, Coach D's record speaks for itself.

The optimist in me says Golden is smart enough to adapt. The pessimist in me says "you are what you are," especially when you write a 300-page book about your core values. The decisions he makes in the next few months will speak volumes.

How long have I been saying some of this same stuff? SMH

This ain't the Miami brand of football. It's funny considering the guy always talks about "the brand".

Being from the Northeast, and considering his coaching background, I'm not sure he quite "gets" South Florida athletes and the way we play football down here. The Northeast athlete is a different breed.

I'm tired of hearing this "from the NE" excuse. It's starting to get spread around so much that people actually start to believe it. Do you think Saban being WV or Jimmy/Butch being from OK prevented them from understanding the sofla athlete? Do you think Spurrier understands the sofla athlete?

I think what you're getting at is where does Alvin get his experience from - he's worked at places where his mentors have been guys with a conservative approach to coaching. Not too many out of the box coaching staffs.
 
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After giving this some thought I think this NE stuff and adapting to south florida is waaayyyy overthinking it.

It's really simple, you can either coach or you can't.
 
After giving this some thought I think this NE stuff and adapting to south florida is waaayyyy overthinking it.

It's really simple, you can either coach or you can't.

It's as simple as that and thank you for condensing what I was trying to say into something simple. His coaching pedigree will not get him out of this jam.

I think most of us said the same thing when he was hired - great guy to rebuild the foundation, get donations from alums, present positive PR, get us through this NCAA mess, but when push comes to shove, we all knew Alvin wasn't going to outcoach anyone. Well, we're in year 3 and he's done a lot of the above. I hope he realizes that the only shot at him staying long term is to surround himself with capable Xs and Os guys.
 
I’m not ready to lump Coach Golden with Shannon and Coker, at least not yet. He works too hard and is too smart.

But the reality is that the results have been the same. We are an annual embarrassment. There remain fundamental problems that Golden needs to overcome if he is going to succeed. Sorry about the length. But there are a lot of issues.

In my opinion, there is one issue that trumps them all: Coach Golden has not adapted his Northeastern mentality to a South Florida program. He is a New Jersey guy who coached at Penn State, Boston College, Virginia and Temple. His professional idols are Bill Parcells, Al Groh and Tom Coughlin. He is as pure of a Northeast guy as it gets.

This manifests itself in three ways. First, it affects the scheme he runs. This has been covered ad nasueum by others with much more technical knowledge. But, at bottom, this scheme is about strength and discipline and our talent pool is about athleticism and playmaking. It doesn't fit, and the results have been historically bad.

Second, his background affects his talent evaluation. I don’t believe that Golden fully understands South Florida talent. If you want to learn about Golden’s evaluation principles, look at the guys he offers from his camp. These are less-heralded guys that he sees up close. What have the camps given us? Dwayne Hoillett, Larry Hope, Vernon Davis, Jake O’Donnell and Hunter Knighton. Not one contributor in the group.

Third, the Northeastern mentality affects the way he deals with the athletes. He works these kids hard, which is a good thing. JJ and Schnellenberger worked their kids hard. The UTough program is an unquestioned improvement. But the volume of team-building, community service and Deserve Victory activities is starting to wear on guys. From everything I've heard, this was a tired and unhappy team at the end of the year. South Florida kids are a unique breed. They don’t lack for work ethic or toughness, which is why they succeed in the NFL. But you can’t treat them the same way you treat Penn State players.

Coach Coley understands South Florida talent, but that's not enough. Those guys still need to be coached. Stephen Morris played much better under Jedd Fisch. That's obvious. And although I appreciate Coley’s commitment to a power run game, the execution has been poor. Eduardo Clements is the team’s best short-yardage runner, but we kept giving those carries to Gus Edwards. Even my wife began to key on the personnel groupings—Malcolm Lewis may as well have run on the field with a leather helmet. I like Coach Coley and think he has a bright future, but he still has a lot to prove.

As for Coach D’Onofrio, this board has covered it pretty well. One thing sticks out, though, and it relates to my first point about Coach Golden. South Florida is a linebacker paradise. You could sustain two NFL teams with local linebackers. But in year three, Coach D is still relying on Jimmy Gaines and Tyrone Cornelius. We cooled on James Burgess. Now he's putting our running backs in body bags. Skai Moore was an obvious stud to everyone except the people that matter. These are just two examples. Like Parcells said, you are what your record says you are. Three years in, Coach D's record speaks for itself.

The optimist in me says Golden is smart enough to adapt. The pessimist in me says "you are what you are," especially when you write a 300-page book about your core values. The decisions he makes in the next few months will speak volumes.

How long have I been saying some of this same stuff? SMH

This ain't the Miami brand of football. It's funny considering the guy always talks about "the brand".

Being from the Northeast, and considering his coaching background, I'm not sure he quite "gets" South Florida athletes and the way we play football down here. The Northeast athlete is a different breed.

I'm tired of hearing this "from the NE" excuse. It's starting to get spread around so much that people actually start to believe it. Do you think Saban being WV or Jimmy/Butch being from OK prevented them from understanding the sofla athlete? Do you think Spurrier understands the sofla athlete?

I think what you're getting at is where does Alvin get his experience from - he's worked at places where his mentors have been guys with a conservative approach to coaching. Not too many out of the box coaching staffs.

Right on the mark. This has nothing to do with wear Al Tin grew up. It's all about his approach to the game and what he knows, doesn't know and what he learned from his mentors. His corching mentors are Tom O'Brien and Al Groh. When you look at it in simple terms like that, then this shouldn't be all that surprising.

He's just a bad corch. It has nothing to do with a "NE mentality" whatever the fck that is. Meyer grew up in Ohio and came down here and won 2 NCs. Either you're good or you aren't. There isn't always some deep dark reason behind it.
 
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Second, his background affects his talent evaluation. I don’t believe that Golden fully understands South Florida talent. If you want to learn about Golden’s evaluation principles, look at the guys he offers from his camp. These are less-heralded guys that he sees up close. What have the camps given us? Dwayne Hoillett, Larry Hope, Vernon Davis, Jake O’Donnell and Hunter Knighton. Not one contributor in the group.

Great take, D.

I disagree with the above, though. Being from the NE has very little to do with his talent evaluator abilities. Butch was a hayseed from the midwest and he is arguably the best in the biz. Saban is a hayseed from WV. etc. Maytbe you weren't talking geographical background but more experience background?

Coaches and players with connections to the state of Arkansas is without peer. Gus Malzahn, Butch Davis, Charlie Strong, Bear Bryant, Switzer, Jimmy Johnson, Petrino, Pat Summerall, Tubberville, Monte Kiffin, Danny Ford, Howard Schnellenberger, Gene Stallings, Pat Dye, Frank Broyles, Johnny Majors, Joe Gibbs, Norv Turner, and Hayden Fry, to name a few.

We don't need no more damned Yankees for coaches. They're slow, they like slow teams, slow players, and the progress slowly. It's not what they don't know that dooms them to mediocrity.

It's what they know that's wrong.

Might start combing the state of Arkansas.
 
After giving this some thought I think this NE stuff and adapting to south florida is waaayyyy overthinking it.

It's really simple, you can either coach or you can't.

It's as simple as that and thank you for condensing what I was trying to say into something simple. His coaching pedigree will not get him out of this jam.

I think most of us said the same thing when he was hired - great guy to rebuild the foundation, get donations from alums, present positive PR, get us through this NCAA mess, but when push comes to shove, we all knew Alvin wasn't going to outcoach anyone. Well, we're in year 3 and he's done a lot of the above. I hope he realizes that the only shot at him staying long term is to surround himself with capable Xs and Os guys.
Good stuff right here.
 
As it relates to Golden's focus on what's important i'll offer this concern -

Stephen Morris had a peculiar sounding quote in the Herald follow-up article today. During a post-game interview he made this seemingly insignificant aside that struck me as odd, regarding what's next in his life:

"I think it will probably hit me tomorrow when I wake up and won't have a schedule from coach Golden and won't have a text saying where I need to be. It's been a pleasure here, man. It's been a true blessing. I'm blessed to say that all these coaches have truly left such a great mark on my life. It's changed me to a better man. I'm proud to say. Football is a game of wins and losses. Unfortunately we didn't win how we wanted to win. Sometimes we lost the way we loss. I'm always going to be proud to say I'm a Cane.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umia...lks-championship-timetable.html#storylink=cpy

So is Golden such a control freak that he not only writes 300 page binders on core values, but he also regulates detailed, every day schedules for players? For all of them like this? When Morris leaves here whom will he look to to tell him what to do each day, now that his dependence on Golden must be transferred?

Maybe I misinterpreted what he said, but IMO this only weakens a player's mental capacity to think on his own, be proactive in shaping his own to-do's en route to being accountable every day. I would think it affect his self confidence on the field too.

(BTW, for those touting him as an alternative I'm told Schiano is a major nitpicking control freak in his own right, which was part of his undoing at Tampa, right down to detailing the brand and size of the bus that would transport player's luggage to the game in order to save 20 minutes getting to the plane for away games).

Meh. With Randy it was complete disorganization. Golden might be a bit OCD but it's much better than the alternative.
 
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As it relates to Golden's focus on what's important i'll offer this concern -

Stephen Morris had a peculiar sounding quote in the Herald follow-up article today. During a post-game interview he made this seemingly insignificant aside that struck me as odd, regarding what's next in his life:

"I think it will probably hit me tomorrow when I wake up and won't have a schedule from coach Golden and won't have a text saying where I need to be. It's been a pleasure here, man. It's been a true blessing. I'm blessed to say that all these coaches have truly left such a great mark on my life. It's changed me to a better man. I'm proud to say. Football is a game of wins and losses. Unfortunately we didn't win how we wanted to win. Sometimes we lost the way we loss. I'm always going to be proud to say I'm a Cane.

Read more here: http://miamiherald.typepad.com/umia...lks-championship-timetable.html#storylink=cpy

So is Golden such a control freak that he not only writes 300 page binders on core values, but he also regulates detailed, every day schedules for players? For all of them like this? When Morris leaves here whom will he look to to tell him what to do each day, now that his dependence on Golden must be transferred?

Maybe I misinterpreted what he said, but IMO this only weakens a player's mental capacity to think on his own, be proactive in shaping his own to-do's en route to being accountable every day. I would think it affect his self confidence on the field too.

(BTW, for those touting him as an alternative I'm told Schiano is a major nitpicking control freak in his own right, which was part of his undoing at Tampa, right down to detailing the brand and size of the bus that would transport player's luggage to the game in order to save 20 minutes getting to the plane for away games).

Meh. With Randy it was complete disorganization. Golden might be a bit OCD but it's much better than the alternative.

Why is it much better? At the end of the day the on field results are almost identical.
 
Second, his background affects his talent evaluation. I don’t believe that Golden fully understands South Florida talent. If you want to learn about Golden’s evaluation principles, look at the guys he offers from his camp. These are less-heralded guys that he sees up close. What have the camps given us? Dwayne Hoillett, Larry Hope, Vernon Davis, Jake O’Donnell and Hunter Knighton. Not one contributor in the group.

Great take, D.

I disagree with the above, though. Being from the NE has very little to do with his talent evaluator abilities. Butch was a hayseed from the midwest and he is arguably the best in the biz. Saban is a hayseed from WV. etc. Maytbe you weren't talking geographical background but more experience background?

Coaches and players with connections to the state of Arkansas is without peer. Gus Malzahn, Butch Davis, Charlie Strong, Bear Bryant, Switzer, Jimmy Johnson, Petrino, Pat Summerall, Tubberville, Monte Kiffin, Danny Ford, Howard Schnellenberger, Gene Stallings, Pat Dye, Frank Broyles, Johnny Majors, Joe Gibbs, Norv Turner, and Hayden Fry, to name a few.

We don't need no more damned Yankees for coaches. They're slow, they like slow teams, slow players, and the progress slowly. It's not what they don't know that dooms them to mediocrity.

It's what they know that's wrong.

Might start combing the state of Arkansas.

Eh, I think there might be a correlation but not a causation. As someone previously stated - Chip Kelly is as NE as it gets. Urban/Les are from Ohio. Should we start combing WV for coaches since Jimbo and Saban are from there? You see my point?
 
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D$, even if Al does not work out here how are we going to attract a top level HC? Has it just gotten to the point that we can no longer afford the quality coordinator/asst coaching and S&C staffs to compete with the big boys and will now remain a second-tier football program?
 
See this is why bias is such a motha****a. It's mind blowing to watch the machinations and contortions of those wanting Golden to be something that he clearly is not. This is of course easier to do when the person you are trying to turn into what he is NOT looks, and sounds a certain way.

Let's be clear here, Golden is far ahead of Shannon on many levels BUT again as I pointed out previously that should be par for the course for any competent Coach that one would even consider as a candidate for the HC position.

It's far easier to look for incompetence when it comes in a certain package, such as Coker or Shannon.

IMHO looking at this honestly, I too fell into the "Sounds competent and seems competent" bias basically because the guy was talking a good game. At some point you have to trust your lying eyes. This guy doesn't get it.

I know this will never ever ever happen but hiring a guy who's licking his wounds after a fall from grace such as Bobby Petrino would send a strong message that Miami is serious about winning football games and not about corny *** slogans dressed up as CEO Speak.
 
D$, even if Al does not work out here how are we going to attract a top level HC? Has it just gotten to the point that we can no longer afford the quality coordinator/asst coaching and S&C staffs to compete with the big boys and will now remain a second-tier football program?

No. There's always good coaches out there to be had that are coming up through smaller schools or lower divisions. The challenge is on our AD/administration to find and hire them. The $ arms race will make it harder for us to retain top notch coaches. But that's nothing new at Miami anyway.
 
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