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chicanego said:
CaneAlmighty said:
Knee jerk post.
But It does highlight that it will take longer then most here are willing to wait for Golden to implement his system to the fullest.
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Did you read the original post?

It highlights a fundamental conflict between his vision and execution.

The scheme he runs on defense does not fit with the current players on the field or the players he recruits, which will be our future leaders.

The entire argument here is that he must adapt because his system, which you're advocating, will not manifest given his methods of coaching, recruiting, etc.
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so we will see.
 
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The Franchise said:
I think you give Alpo too much credit for being smart. A big part of being smart is the ability is the ability to adapt and to quickly repair things that aren't working. He's shown no ability to do either.

Stubborn and pig headed and trying to force square pegs into round holes for 3 years does not equate to intelligence in my book. Those are signs of lack of intelligence. He's a hard worker no doubt. But that doesn't mean he's a particularly bright fellow.

I see him as a hard working oaf who doesn't possess the ability to think on the fly or to overcome his own cognitive ceiling. I think guys mistake his ability to string sentences together at times (and those times are not when things are going poorly) for intelligence.
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This. If Al doesn't make the necessary changes than hes a fool.
 
EFIL 4 ENAC said:
Golden has been at Penn State, UVA, Temple. None of those programs get the kind of athletes that Miami is used to having. So it is not apart of his coaching makeup to be able to coach these kinds of players. He can't just reinvent himself and become something he is not.

When you've been coaching "Rudy" type athletes your entire life with that conservative style of coaching and you come to Miami and you have elite, explosive athletes that need to be let loose you are going to be a fish out of water.

Golden might leave for Penn State and have a lot of success there and it wouldn't surprise me. Because he fits Penn State much better than he fits Miami.

He is a square peg trying to fit into a round hole here.
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Good stuff here. It's why I think he will try to throw his hat in for the PSU job
 
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DMoney said:
Second, his background affects his talent evaluation. I don’t believe that Golden fully understands South Florida talent. If you want to learn about Golden’s evaluation principles, look at the guys he offers from his camp. These are less-heralded guys that he sees up close. What have the camps given us? Dwayne Hoillett, Larry Hope, Vernon Davis, Jake O’Donnell and Hunter Knighton. Not one contributor in the group.
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Great take, D.

I disagree with the above, though. Being from the NE has very little to do with his talent evaluator abilities. Butch was a hayseed from the midwest and he is arguably the best in the biz. Saban is a hayseed from WV. etc. Maytbe you weren't talking geographical background but more experience background?
 
AUcane said:
DMoney said:
Second, his background affects his talent evaluation. I don’t believe that Golden fully understands South Florida talent. If you want to learn about Golden’s evaluation principles, look at the guys he offers from his camp. These are less-heralded guys that he sees up close. What have the camps given us? Dwayne Hoillett, Larry Hope, Vernon Davis, Jake O’Donnell and Hunter Knighton. Not one contributor in the group.
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Great take, D.

I disagree with the above, though. Being from the NE has very little to do with his talent evaluator abilities. Butch was a hayseed from the midwest and he is arguably the best in the biz. Saban is a hayseed from WV. etc. Maytbe you weren't talking geographical background but more experience background?
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That's fair. A guy like Shannon has been here his whole life and he was terrible at evaluating South Florida. Butch was here with Jimmy so he learned from the best.
 
EFIL 4 ENAC said:
Golden has been at Penn State, UVA, Temple. None of those programs get the kind of athletes that Miami is used to having. So it is not apart of his coaching makeup to be able to coach these kinds of players. He can't just reinvent himself and become something he is not.

When you've been coaching "Rudy" type athletes your entire life with that conservative style of coaching and you come to Miami and you have elite, explosive athletes that need to be let loose you are going to be a fish out of water.

Golden might leave for Penn State and have a lot of success there and it wouldn't surprise me. Because he fits Penn State much better than he fits Miami.

He is a square peg trying to fit into a round hole here.
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JJ wasn't use to our type of athletes either. He took the job to get those sort of athletes so he could crush the Sooners. JJ adapted very quickly and put them even better use than Howard. If Al can't edit his friggin book is the next month then he needs to start using it like the old timers used the Sears mail order catalog -- nail it to the inside of the outhouse door!!!!!!!
 
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Great post OP.

It makes me think... Are there any elite college coaches from the Northeast?
 
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I have not given up on Golden yet. He inherited a mess and has learned on the job to a degree, but all in all he has guided the program through an extremely tough time. He has built a foundation and this years recruiting class is going to get us moving in the right direction again. I'm in the "he deserves 5 years" camp.
 
DMoney said:
I’m not ready to lump Coach Golden with Shannon and Coker, at least not yet. He works too hard and is too smart.

But the reality is that the results have been the same. We are an annual embarrassment. There remain fundamental problems that Golden needs to overcome if he is going to succeed. Sorry about the length. But there are a lot of issues.

In my opinion, there is one issue that trumps them all: Coach Golden has not adapted his Northeastern mentality to a South Florida program. He is a New Jersey guy who coached at Penn State, Boston College, Virginia and Temple. His professional idols are Bill Parcells, Al Groh and Tom Coughlin. He is as pure of a Northeast guy as it gets.

This manifests itself in three ways. First, it affects the scheme he runs. This has been covered ad nasueum by others with much more technical knowledge. But, at bottom, this scheme is about strength and discipline and our talent pool is about athleticism and playmaking. It doesn't fit, and the results have been historically bad.

Second, his background affects his talent evaluation. I don’t believe that Golden fully understands South Florida talent. If you want to learn about Golden’s evaluation principles, look at the guys he offers from his camp. These are less-heralded guys that he sees up close. What have the camps given us? Dwayne Hoillett, Larry Hope, Vernon Davis, Jake O’Donnell and Hunter Knighton. Not one contributor in the group.

Third, the Northeastern mentality affects the way he deals with the athletes. He works these kids hard, which is a good thing. JJ and Schnellenberger worked their kids hard. The UTough program is an unquestioned improvement. But the volume of team-building, community service and Deserve Victory activities is starting to wear on guys. From everything I've heard, this was a tired and unhappy team at the end of the year. South Florida kids are a unique breed. They don’t lack for work ethic or toughness, which is why they succeed in the NFL. But you can’t treat them the same way you treat Penn State players.

Coach Coley understands South Florida talent, but that's not enough. Those guys still need to be coached. Stephen Morris played much better under Jedd Fisch. That's obvious. And although I appreciate Coley’s commitment to a power run game, the execution has been poor. Eduardo Clements is the team’s best short-yardage runner, but we kept giving those carries to Gus Edwards. Even my wife began to key on the personnel groupings—Malcolm Lewis may as well have run on the field with a leather helmet. I like Coach Coley and think he has a bright future, but he still has a lot to prove.

As for Coach D’Onofrio, this board has covered it pretty well. One thing sticks out, though, and it relates to my first point about Coach Golden. South Florida is a linebacker paradise. You could sustain two NFL teams with local linebackers. But in year three, Coach D is still relying on Jimmy Gaines and Tyrone Cornelius. We cooled on James Burgess. Now he's putting our running backs in body bags. Skai Moore was an obvious stud to everyone except the people that matter. These are just two examples. Like Parcells said, you are what your record says you are. Three years in, Coach D's record speaks for itself.

The optimist in me says Golden is smart enough to adapt. The pessimist in me says "you are what you are," especially when you write a 300-page book about your core values. The decisions he makes in the next few months will speak volumes.
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****, some very good points!!!
 
bbcane said:
The Franchise said:
CaneAlmighty said:
HulkaCaniac said:
CaneAlmighty said:
5 years given the circumstances. 2015
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What was Urban Meyers excuse for going undefeated his first season at Ohio State?
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LOL at trying to compare situations.
Meyer took over Tressels program and recruits.
Golden took over radio's and a NCAA mess
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What did Charlie Strong take over?
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Let's see strong with no bridgewater. Lol
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His defense looked **** good too, just saying.
 
In addition to the position coaching and game planning sucking, the biggest problem is how the players play. It's soft, lazy, slow, and uninspired. I don't believe for a second that our defensive guys would turn into savages if we got some guy who blitzed like crazy on defense and let us play man defense. I think we'd just be a team who sucked at blitzing and playing man defense, because Golden's personality does not mesh well with these guys down here. They;d play that defense soft because that's the mentality of our team. We need a guy who wants to let our kids smash teams and have fun while doing it. Drop all the catch phrases and **** because our guys see right through that, especially when you trot out a defense coached by a guy who seems to be universally hated. Instead its

Miami needs a coach who preaches aggressiveness in everything you do, not just in terms of whether we blitz on defense. All that scheme stuff is a red herring because the team took on the personality of its head coach, and that personality is not a winning one down here. Miami football used to match the personality of the city. Now we're the ******* Coconut Creek Hurricanes.

I thought Golden would work out here but I'm hoping he goes to Penn State because I know he's not getting fired here for another year or two.
 
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