Forston

[Gatorhater]

He got hurt. He got his degree. He did not really leave early. Sure he was not the old school DT we all wanted, but who in Randy's years was. No reason to hate on this kid. Glad he ended up if top end organization with Big Daddy to show him the way. People need to remember it is not a Cane thing to hate other Canes. Even our greats let us down sometimes. Thomas got that ball stripped from him by Bama in the Sugar Bowl--should we hate? Sean, may he rest in peace, had his pick 6 taken from him by that chump RB--should we hate? That was the game in one play. A 6th NC and second in a row. Can we hate? How about Vinny? My Lord, how many interceptions can one man throw it two not just one NC game. Hate? Come on people. All Canes are family. Get off these kid backs, or suit up and get your rears out there and do better!

 

[BigCaneAl]

Again, I don't know where all this business about him not caring is coming from.

He played very well as a true freshman in 2008

Played in three games in 2009 before having shoulder surgery

Had 37 tackles, 12 TFL, 3 sacks, and an INT in 13 games in 2010

Played 3 games in 2011 before getting injured and missing the rest of the season


You guys are free to have an opinion, but I'm just telling you that you're wrong.

Clearly those stats show he cared......

Where's the proof that he didn't care/wasn't committed? I'm waiting.

My point was more to the absurdity of using stats to represent commitment/caring. He may have given his all and had those stats, or not cared and had those stats....means nothing in this context.

 

[rok]

Again, I don't know where all this business about him not caring is coming from.

He played very well as a true freshman in 2008

Played in three games in 2009 before having shoulder surgery

Had 37 tackles, 12 TFL, 3 sacks, and an INT in 13 games in 2010

Played 3 games in 2011 before getting injured and missing the rest of the season


You guys are free to have an opinion, but I'm just telling you that you're wrong.

Clearly those stats show he cared......

Where's the proof that he didn't care/wasn't committed? I'm waiting.

My point was more to the absurdity of using stats to represent commitment/caring. He may have given his all and had those stats, or not cared and had those stats....means nothing in this context.

Don't disagree

 

[LuCane]

I cant get inside the head of MF, but I do wonder how he would have done starting under Golden and this current culture. Simply put, for that previous decade or so, this program was more about looking ahead to Sundays than Saturdays.

We've had too many guys that seem to blossom at the next level without doing all that much at UM, recently

But hey, NFL U!!!( That's what it was all about, right?)

What seems ridiculous in Rok calling people "wrong" is that I don't think anyone can really argue that Forston underachieved (given his potential) here. I don't think anyone can argue his decisions led to poor initial results vis-a-vis the NFL. Had he not been hot/cold with his focus (maybe under a different culture), he had a crazy amount of talent to make a much easier path for himself to the NFL.

He may have been drafted decently high. He would have cashed in more a first contract. It can be about getting guys to the NFL and maximizing their potential. Previous culture was about getting there without consistent work - which led to up and down results on the college field as well.

Tough to live up to one's potential when you're hampered by injuries. The guy missed nearly the entire 2009 and 2011 seasons. I don't know what else he was supposed to do. The expectations placed on him probably weren't fair. In a culture where there wasn't a lot of accountability he was one of the few bright spots, yet people want to tear him down.

There's a chance you're arguing for arguing, but in the case you're not:

How do you reconcile admitting he was lazy with needing proof that he was committed?

 

[rok]

I cant get inside the head of MF, but I do wonder how he would have done starting under Golden and this current culture. Simply put, for that previous decade or so, this program was more about looking ahead to Sundays than Saturdays.

We've had too many guys that seem to blossom at the next level without doing all that much at UM, recently

But hey, NFL U!!!( That's what it was all about, right?)

What seems ridiculous in Rok calling people "wrong" is that I don't think anyone can really argue that Forston underachieved (given his potential) here. I don't think anyone can argue his decisions led to poor initial results vis-a-vis the NFL. Had he not been hot/cold with his focus (maybe under a different culture), he had a crazy amount of talent to make a much easier path for himself to the NFL.

He may have been drafted decently high. He would have cashed in more a first contract. It can be about getting guys to the NFL and maximizing their potential. Previous culture was about getting there without consistent work - which led to up and down results on the college field as well.

Tough to live up to one's potential when you're hampered by injuries. The guy missed nearly the entire 2009 and 2011 seasons. I don't know what else he was supposed to do. The expectations placed on him probably weren't fair. In a culture where there wasn't a lot of accountability he was one of the few bright spots, yet people want to tear him down.

There's a chance you're arguing for arguing, but in the case you're not:

How do you reconcile admitting he was lazy with needing proof that he was committed?

I don't troll anymore and I'm over this topic, but I just don't think it's right that people drag this kid's name through the mud whenever he's mentioned. That's all I'm trying to say. People have a right to be upset, but he played well when he was healthy. We're all sorry that the 2008 class didn't live up to the hype but it certainly wasn't his fault.

 

[LuCane]

Forston made a personal decision and shouldn't be looked down upon for it. His family is poor, he graduated, and he's in the NFL. He did not owe any of us anything. If you want to say he didn't live up to our lofty expectations, fine. But to view him as someone who abandoned the team and did so selfishly is just wrong.

This is curiously emotional from a guy whose "sole offseason mission" is to balance out the optimism/emotion of the board. I haven't seen anyone spewing hate on this thread or saying he abandoned the team. It wasn't our lofty expectations. They were his own. They were so much his own he thought he could still achieve it despite having the opportunity, like Seantrel, of coming back, committing himself for a season and potentially getting a big(ger) first contract.

I'm not even saying it for my (as a fan) benefit. I thought we needed to purge ourselves of most of those guys' mentalities. I simply was disappointed because he could have lived up to his own potential here and could have reaped the rewards for it. I like to see our players make the best decisions for themselves. I'll always root for a guy to cash in. Presumably, that's why they come in here in the first place.

 

[rok]

Forston made a personal decision and shouldn't be looked down upon for it. His family is poor, he graduated, and he's in the NFL. He did not owe any of us anything. If you want to say he didn't live up to our lofty expectations, fine. But to view him as someone who abandoned the team and did so selfishly is just wrong.

This is curiously emotional from a guy whose "sole offseason mission" is to balance out the optimism/emotion of the board. I haven't seen anyone spewing hate on this thread or saying he abandoned the team. It wasn't our lofty expectations. They were his own. They were so much his own he thought he could still achieve it despite having the opportunity, like Seantrel, of coming back, committing himself for a season and potentially getting a big(ger) first contract.

I'm not even saying it for my (as a fan) benefit. I thought we needed to purge ourselves of most of those guys' mentalities. I simply was disappointed because he could have lived up to his own potential here and could have reaped the rewards for it. I like to see our players make the best decisions for themselves. I'll always root for a guy to cash in. Presumably, that's why they come in here in the first place.

Well then we're not reading the same thread

 

[LuCane]

I cant get inside the head of MF, but I do wonder how he would have done starting under Golden and this current culture. Simply put, for that previous decade or so, this program was more about looking ahead to Sundays than Saturdays.

We've had too many guys that seem to blossom at the next level without doing all that much at UM, recently

But hey, NFL U!!!( That's what it was all about, right?)

What seems ridiculous in Rok calling people "wrong" is that I don't think anyone can really argue that Forston underachieved (given his potential) here. I don't think anyone can argue his decisions led to poor initial results vis-a-vis the NFL. Had he not been hot/cold with his focus (maybe under a different culture), he had a crazy amount of talent to make a much easier path for himself to the NFL.

He may have been drafted decently high. He would have cashed in more a first contract. It can be about getting guys to the NFL and maximizing their potential. Previous culture was about getting there without consistent work - which led to up and down results on the college field as well.

Tough to live up to one's potential when you're hampered by injuries. The guy missed nearly the entire 2009 and 2011 seasons. I don't know what else he was supposed to do. The expectations placed on him probably weren't fair. In a culture where there wasn't a lot of accountability he was one of the few bright spots, yet people want to tear him down.

There's a chance you're arguing for arguing, but in the case you're not:

How do you reconcile admitting he was lazy with needing proof that he was committed?

I don't troll anymore and I'm over this topic, but I just don't think it's right that people drag this kid's name through the mud whenever he's mentioned. That's all I'm trying to say. People have a right to be upset, but he played well when he was healthy. We're all sorry that the 2008 class didn't live up to the hype but it certainly wasn't his fault.

You claimed people were "wrong" and engaged in the discussion. If you want out of it, go for it. I remember a Raising Cane where Marcus himself talked about not being focused during a given practice and apologizing to his teammates. It was a microcosm of his career here. He said himself he could do more and was often just hot/cold.

I hope he balls out of control and gets a huge contract in the NFL.

 

[rok]

So a college kid wasn't focused at a practice. Stop the presses lol.

And I do maintain that people are wrong when they say "man, **** Marcus Forston."

 

[LuCane]

Forston made a personal decision and shouldn't be looked down upon for it. His family is poor, he graduated, and he's in the NFL. He did not owe any of us anything. If you want to say he didn't live up to our lofty expectations, fine. But to view him as someone who abandoned the team and did so selfishly is just wrong.

This is curiously emotional from a guy whose "sole offseason mission" is to balance out the optimism/emotion of the board. I haven't seen anyone spewing hate on this thread or saying he abandoned the team. It wasn't our lofty expectations. They were his own. They were so much his own he thought he could still achieve it despite having the opportunity, like Seantrel, of coming back, committing himself for a season and potentially getting a big(ger) first contract.

I'm not even saying it for my (as a fan) benefit. I thought we needed to purge ourselves of most of those guys' mentalities. I simply was disappointed because he could have lived up to his own potential here and could have reaped the rewards for it. I like to see our players make the best decisions for themselves. I'll always root for a guy to cash in. Presumably, that's why they come in here in the first place.

Well then we're not reading the same thread

I can't speak for everyone, though I read a lot of "don't wish him ill will, but was disappointed..." type comments. Personally, I wish him very well. I don't even have to say anything unusual because I agree with Marcus himself in saying it was disappointing that he was on an off while he was here.

 

[LuCane]

So a college kid wasn't focused at a practice. Stop the presses lol.

And I do maintain that people are wrong when they say "man, **** Marcus Forston."

I agree people are wrong when they wish the kid badly.

It was clearly stated that the college kid was unfocused at practice was a microcosm of the guy's career here. On and off.

 

[rok]

Forston made a personal decision and shouldn't be looked down upon for it. His family is poor, he graduated, and he's in the NFL. He did not owe any of us anything. If you want to say he didn't live up to our lofty expectations, fine. But to view him as someone who abandoned the team and did so selfishly is just wrong.

This is curiously emotional from a guy whose "sole offseason mission" is to balance out the optimism/emotion of the board. I haven't seen anyone spewing hate on this thread or saying he abandoned the team. It wasn't our lofty expectations. They were his own. They were so much his own he thought he could still achieve it despite having the opportunity, like Seantrel, of coming back, committing himself for a season and potentially getting a big(ger) first contract.

I'm not even saying it for my (as a fan) benefit. I thought we needed to purge ourselves of most of those guys' mentalities. I simply was disappointed because he could have lived up to his own potential here and could have reaped the rewards for it. I like to see our players make the best decisions for themselves. I'll always root for a guy to cash in. Presumably, that's why they come in here in the first place.

Well then we're not reading the same thread

I can't speak for everyone, though I read a lot of "don't wish him ill will, but was disappointed..." type comments. Personally, I wish him very well. I don't even have to say anything unusual because I agree with Marcus himself in saying it was disappointing that he was on an off while he was here.

I get what you're saying. I do.

It's tough to live up to the expectations you place on yourself when you're unable to perform your job because you're physically incapable.

 

[LuCane]

So let's sum up your view, if possible. You think that the only reason he didn't play up to his ceiling was because he suffered injuries, correct?

 

[Consigliere]

So let's sum up your view, if possible. You think that the only reason he didn't play up to his ceiling was because he suffered injuries, correct?

I smell a TARP!

 

[rok]

So let's sum up your view, if possible. You think that the only reason he didn't play up to his ceiling was because he suffered injuries, correct?

As someone who was around him for a good chunk of his career I can honestly say that when the guy was healthy he was pretty **** effective. He dealt with a lot of injuries that kept him out of almost two full seasons. Perhaps he's not the most self-motivated guy, but when he was healthy and had opportunities he usually made the most out of them.

 

[LuCane]

So let's sum up your view, if possible. You think that the only reason he didn't play up to his ceiling was because he suffered injuries, correct?

As someone who was around him for a good chunk of his career I can honestly say that when the guy was healthy he was pretty **** effective. He dealt with a lot of injuries that kept him out of almost two full seasons. Perhaps he's not the most self-motivated guy, but when he was healthy and had opportunities he usually made the most out of them.

Fair enough. That's your view and I agree he had some good flashes. Leveling with you here: you don't find it odd that he went undrafted if injuries (nothing devastating or career-threatening) were the only barrier between him and his very high ceiling? If that were the case, I'd have imagined a team snagging him anywhere from Round 5 to Round 6, at least.

 

[rok]

I think we were all at least a little surprised that he went undrafted and he clearly would have benefited from playing another year. But the draft is far from an exact science. Ponder and Manuel were 1st round draft picks. NFL scouts and GMs are good but they're far from perfect. Perhaps the book on him was that he was lazy and never fulfilled his potential. If that was truly the case then he wouldn't be a New England Patriot today.

 

[LuCane]

I think we were all at least a little surprised that he went undrafted and he clearly would have benefited from playing another year. But the draft is far from an exact science. Ponder and Manuel were 1st round draft picks. NFL scouts and GMs are good but they're far from perfect. Perhaps the book on him was that he was lazy and never fulfilled his potential. If that was truly the case then he wouldn't be a New England Patriot today.

My understanding from reading around the web and listening to some people close to our program is that the book on him was that he had potential, but needed someone and a situation to squeeze it out of him. That definitely sounds like NE/Beli. Hope he gets paid.

 

[rok]

I hope he plays like **** against the Dolphins.

 

[DaU83]

I have no ill will towards any players from the shannon/coker era (not even kirby freeman)... those were two terrible coaches that had no business being head coaches at the U.. we did a huge disservice to a bunch of highly touted recruits throughout those years, so i can't be mad at them.