Forston

[LuCane]

Again, I don't know where all this business about him not caring is coming from.

He played very well as a true freshman in 2008

Played in three games in 2009 before having shoulder surgery

Had 37 tackles, 12 TFL, 3 sacks, and an INT in 13 games in 2010

Played 3 games in 2011 before getting injured and missing the rest of the season


You guys are free to have an opinion, but I'm just telling you that you're wrong.

Caring? I'm not sure what your definition of caring is or was. Are you saying he was committed?

 

[rok]

He played very well in 2008 and 2010 and seemed plenty committed then. Two season-ending injuries didn't occur because he wasn't committed.

 

[LuCane]

He played very well in 2008 and 2010 and seemed plenty committed then. Two season-ending injuries didn't occur because he wasn't committed.

Playing well (in spurts) because you have an extreme amount of talent is not the same thing as being fully committed and making an effort to realize your potential.

 

[DC Dog Nuts]

Again, I don't know where all this business about him not caring is coming from.

He played very well as a true freshman in 2008

Played in three games in 2009 before having shoulder surgery

Had 37 tackles, 12 TFL, 3 sacks, and an INT in 13 games in 2010

Played 3 games in 2011 before getting injured and missing the rest of the season


You guys are free to have an opinion, but I'm just telling you that you're wrong.

How did he do against the best teams that year?

 

[k9cane]

I cant get inside the head of MF, but I do wonder how he would have done starting under Golden and this current culture. Simply put, for that previous decade or so, this program was more about looking ahead to Sundays than Saturdays.

We've had too many guys that seem to blossom at the next level without doing all that much at UM, recently

But hey, NFL U!!!( That's what it was all about, right?)

 

[LuCane]

I cant get inside the head of MF, but I do wonder how he would have done starting under Golden and this current culture. Simply put, for that previous decade or so, this program was more about looking ahead to Sundays than Saturdays.

We've had too many guys that seem to blossom at the next level without doing all that much at UM, recently

But hey, NFL U!!!( That's what it was all about, right?)

What seems ridiculous in Rok calling people "wrong" is that I don't think anyone can really argue that Forston underachieved (given his potential) here. I don't think anyone can argue his decisions led to poor initial results vis-a-vis the NFL. Had he not been hot/cold with his focus (maybe under a different culture), he had a crazy amount of talent to make a much easier path for himself to the NFL.

He may have been drafted decently high. He would have cashed in more a first contract. It can be about getting guys to the NFL and maximizing their potential. Previous culture was about getting there without consistent work - which led to up and down results on the college field as well.

 

[k9cane]

I cant get inside the head of MF, but I do wonder how he would have done starting under Golden and this current culture. Simply put, for that previous decade or so, this program was more about looking ahead to Sundays than Saturdays.

We've had too many guys that seem to blossom at the next level without doing all that much at UM, recently

But hey, NFL U!!!( That's what it was all about, right?)

What seems ridiculous in Rok calling people "wrong" is that I don't think anyone can really argue that Forston underachieved (given his potential) here. I don't think anyone can argue his decisions led to poor initial results vis-a-vis the NFL. Had he not been hot/cold with his focus (maybe under a different culture), he had a crazy amount of talent to make a much easier path for himself to the NFL.

He may have been drafted decently high. He would have cashed in more a first contract. It can be about getting guys to the NFL and maximizing their potential. Previous culture was about getting there without consistent work - which led to up and down results on the college field as well.

Lu, I remember him flashing in 08 vs Vatech and he was one of the few bright spots vs Notre Dame in the Sun Bowl. Outside of that? He wasn't even as good as Mark Caesar( another noted underachiever of Miami past). Lets just be honest about that

Also, Olivier Vernon, very good talent, will have a good NFL career. Can you tell me a real definitive big play during his team at the U?

It's this dynamic that has frustrated me most about this program since 2003.

 

[LuCane]

I cant get inside the head of MF, but I do wonder how he would have done starting under Golden and this current culture. Simply put, for that previous decade or so, this program was more about looking ahead to Sundays than Saturdays.

We've had too many guys that seem to blossom at the next level without doing all that much at UM, recently

But hey, NFL U!!!( That's what it was all about, right?)

What seems ridiculous in Rok calling people "wrong" is that I don't think anyone can really argue that Forston underachieved (given his potential) here. I don't think anyone can argue his decisions led to poor initial results vis-a-vis the NFL. Had he not been hot/cold with his focus (maybe under a different culture), he had a crazy amount of talent to make a much easier path for himself to the NFL.

He may have been drafted decently high. He would have cashed in more a first contract. It can be about getting guys to the NFL and maximizing their potential. Previous culture was about getting there without consistent work - which led to up and down results on the college field as well.

Lu, I remember him flashing in 08 vs Vatech and he was one of the few bright spots vs Notre Dame in the Sun Bowl. Outside of that? He wasn't even as good as Mark Caesar( another noted underachiever of Miami past). Lets just be honest about that

Also, Olivier Vernon, very good talent, will have a good NFL career. Can you tell me a real definitive big play during his team at the U?

It's this dynamic that has frustrated me most about this program since 2003.

Olivier's best game against a decent opponent, as a Cane, was probably @FSU 2 years ago. He was all over the field - even playing some DT in pass situations, IIRC - and was a noticeable difference. His issue was putting it all together. Culture thing. Let's see if guys put it all together on this team.

 

[gogeta4]

He just didn't want to put in the work required by the new regime.

There's no proof to back this up. Golden himself praised Forston for putting in the work. Just because he left a year early doesn't make him a scumbag.

I think he put in the work....peeps just automatically thought he was being lazy or scared of Golden's plan....HE WASNT....as he wore a BLACK JERSEY basically the WHOLE TIME Golden was here...and Golden praised the kid.

Forston just had it in his head to go pro...he had it the year before...and once he got his degree i knew it was a formality. Not every player is the same..Forston is a dude actually from the PROJECTS. He wasnt Spence, Jacory, Streeter. He actually is from LIBERTY CITY.

He could of come back a year...but i aint gonna hold that against em....During his recruitment dude was Duke Johnson-esque aind i will always respect him for that...he was all cane.

 

[k9cane]

I cant get inside the head of MF, but I do wonder how he would have done starting under Golden and this current culture. Simply put, for that previous decade or so, this program was more about looking ahead to Sundays than Saturdays.

We've had too many guys that seem to blossom at the next level without doing all that much at UM, recently

But hey, NFL U!!!( That's what it was all about, right?)

What seems ridiculous in Rok calling people "wrong" is that I don't think anyone can really argue that Forston underachieved (given his potential) here. I don't think anyone can argue his decisions led to poor initial results vis-a-vis the NFL. Had he not been hot/cold with his focus (maybe under a different culture), he had a crazy amount of talent to make a much easier path for himself to the NFL.

He may have been drafted decently high. He would have cashed in more a first contract. It can be about getting guys to the NFL and maximizing their potential. Previous culture was about getting there without consistent work - which led to up and down results on the college field as well.

Lu, I remember him flashing in 08 vs Vatech and he was one of the few bright spots vs Notre Dame in the Sun Bowl. Outside of that? He wasn't even as good as Mark Caesar( another noted underachiever of Miami past). Lets just be honest about that

Also, Olivier Vernon, very good talent, will have a good NFL career. Can you tell me a real definitive big play during his team at the U?

It's this dynamic that has frustrated me most about this program since 2003.

Olivier's best game against a decent opponent, as a Cane, was probably @FSU 2 years ago. He was all over the field - even playing some DT in pass situations, IIRC - and was a noticeable difference. His issue was putting it all together. Culture thing. Let's see if guys put it all together on this team.

y'know what, you're right, he was good vs FSU in Tally that year( I was Vegas for the Pacquiao-Marquez 3 fight) and I do remember him being pointed out as one of the few guys that held his own that day in the trenches

But I'll never forget that one 'Raising Canes' video on Fortson when he essentially tapped out of a workout( and this is when he knew he was the focus of the video). That was alarming to me

 

[rok]

I cant get inside the head of MF, but I do wonder how he would have done starting under Golden and this current culture. Simply put, for that previous decade or so, this program was more about looking ahead to Sundays than Saturdays.

We've had too many guys that seem to blossom at the next level without doing all that much at UM, recently

But hey, NFL U!!!( That's what it was all about, right?)

What seems ridiculous in Rok calling people "wrong" is that I don't think anyone can really argue that Forston underachieved (given his potential) here. I don't think anyone can argue his decisions led to poor initial results vis-a-vis the NFL. Had he not been hot/cold with his focus (maybe under a different culture), he had a crazy amount of talent to make a much easier path for himself to the NFL.

He may have been drafted decently high. He would have cashed in more a first contract. It can be about getting guys to the NFL and maximizing their potential. Previous culture was about getting there without consistent work - which led to up and down results on the college field as well.

Tough to live up to one's potential when you're hampered by injuries. The guy missed nearly the entire 2009 and 2011 seasons. I don't know what else he was supposed to do. The expectations placed on him probably weren't fair. In a culture where there wasn't a lot of accountability he was one of the few bright spots, yet people want to tear him down.

 

[BigCaneAl]

Again, I don't know where all this business about him not caring is coming from.

He played very well as a true freshman in 2008

Played in three games in 2009 before having shoulder surgery

Had 37 tackles, 12 TFL, 3 sacks, and an INT in 13 games in 2010

Played 3 games in 2011 before getting injured and missing the rest of the season


You guys are free to have an opinion, but I'm just telling you that you're wrong.

Clearly those stats show he cared......

 

[Gamineal]

Golden inherited talent..

 

[rok]

Again, I don't know where all this business about him not caring is coming from.

He played very well as a true freshman in 2008

Played in three games in 2009 before having shoulder surgery

Had 37 tackles, 12 TFL, 3 sacks, and an INT in 13 games in 2010

Played 3 games in 2011 before getting injured and missing the rest of the season


You guys are free to have an opinion, but I'm just telling you that you're wrong.

Clearly those stats show he cared......

Where's the proof that he didn't care/wasn't committed? I'm waiting.

 

[Gamineal]

Again, I don't know where all this business about him not caring is coming from.

He played very well as a true freshman in 2008

Played in three games in 2009 before having shoulder surgery

Had 37 tackles, 12 TFL, 3 sacks, and an INT in 13 games in 2010

Played 3 games in 2011 before getting injured and missing the rest of the season


You guys are free to have an opinion, but I'm just telling you that you're wrong.

Clearly those stats show he cared......

Where's the proof that he didn't care/wasn't committed? I'm waiting.

not sure he did not care...with those **** stats he still bailed on his school....wish him the best I dont see him being a HUGE factor in NE...

 

[Consigliere]

Tough to live up to one's potential when you're hampered by injuries. The guy missed nearly the entire 2009 and 2011 seasons. I don't know what else he was supposed to do. The expectations placed on him probably weren't fair. In a culture where there wasn't a lot of accountability he was one of the few bright spots, yet people want to tear him down.

You left out that he voluntarily CHOOSE to leave early. You left out that he CHOOSE to leave early to go undrafted. He had expectations based on his elite status in HS (whether you agree with those rivals/scout/espn rankings or not) and that he had XXXX offers.

The expectations on him were to do big things here and he left before he had a chance to do just that. He left the game with chips on the table. Fans expected a lot out of him and he did not come close to meeting those expectations. If it was an elite player that fell short of expectations but fully exhausted his eligibility, the fans wouldn't care as much and probably wish him well. The fans are turned off because he was elite and had eligibility left. That it is their right, whether you agree or disagree with his performance at UM.

 

[rok]

Forston made a personal decision and shouldn't be looked down upon for it. His family is poor, he graduated, and he's in the NFL. He did not owe any of us anything. If you want to say he didn't live up to our lofty expectations, fine. But to view him as someone who abandoned the team and did so selfishly is just wrong.

 

[Consigliere]

Forston made a personal decision and shouldn't be looked down upon for it. His family is poor, he graduated, and he's in the NFL. He did not owe any of us anything. If you want to say he didn't live up to our lofty expectations, fine. But to view him as someone who abandoned the team and did so selfishly is just wrong.

Who is saying owe? Did I lend him $10.00? Does he owe me interest on the $10.00?

People are giving their opinions, people will always give their opinions.

For some reason, people forget that we have a bias to things that are PRO-MIAMI. People wanted him to play well because it benefits Miami and the program (i.e. PRO-MIAMI). So when he left with eligibility remaining, when we needed seniors on the DL last year, the fans got upset because it was not beneficial to the program. We needed him here.

As for him supporting his family (because you have his families' balance sheet), it might have been foolish to choose to go UNDRAFTED and support them with that practice squad money versus attempting to come back and have a better 2012.

Somehow the Forstons made it this far (or before 2012) without Marcus's NFL Paycheck.

 

[rok]

Fair enough

 

[Gamineal]

Forston made a personal decision and shouldn't be looked down upon for it. His family is poor, he graduated, and he's in the NFL. He did not owe any of us anything. If you want to say he didn't live up to our lofty expectations, fine. But to view him as someone who abandoned the team and did so selfishly is just wrong.

I could care less...its his teammates he has to answer too...like 1000s before him 95% stay. I understand he still graduated which is a plus making the practice squad in NE is great,,,they pay more than any other team around 7K a week...if he makes the team ( which he should ) he is looking at 600K with around 1.5 mil bonus..