First Scrimmage Thread - BOOM

[Miami82]

Brad Kaaya is better than Jake Heaps. Right now. By a lot. He is more accurate, takes less sacks, throws half as many picks, has better movement in the pocket, has better movement outside the pocket, has more arm strength, can see over the line, and makes more throws.

If Brad Kaaya doesn't start, I will be surprised and quite frankly disturbed. This is not based on Vine videos or reporter tweets. That's all I will say about that.

So we are flying banners if Kaaya doesn't start against UL?

 

[DMoney]

True freshmen QBs in major conference that started majority of games with above avg pass efficiency 2008-2012:

Name - Record
Pryor 8-2
RG3 4-7
Braxton Miller 4-6
Teddy B 5-5
Barkley 9-3
Perry Hillis 4-3

19 other true freshmen started games with below avg efficiency, the best being Savage and Forcier who both regressed soph seasons.

Jake Heaps wasn't even in the Top 100 for pass efficiency last year. And he was beaten out by a true freshman.

 

[JHallCanes]

Kaaya has a **** of a lot better weapons to work with than Teddy and Hackenberg had

 

[fincane]

True freshmen QBs in major conference that started majority of games with above avg pass efficiency 2008-2012:

Name - Record
Pryor 8-2
RG3 4-7
Braxton Miller 4-6
Teddy B 5-5
Barkley 9-3
Perry Hillis 4-3

19 other true freshmen started games with below avg efficiency, the best being Savage and Forcier who both regressed soph seasons.

Jake Heaps wasn't even in the Top 100 for pass efficiency last year. And he was beaten out by a true freshman.

He wasn't beat out by a true freshman. The true freshman started two game because their season was a dumpster fire. The freshman wasn't good and Heaps played plenty in the final two games. All of Kansas QBs have stunk because the players around them stink. Its why Weis went to a system that takes advantage of the new QBs athletic ability.

Kinda like Berlin and Crudup in 2003 after the loss to the Vols. Crudup was not good against Syracuse and Coker went back to Berlin. Except that Miami team was so much better than Kansas.

 

[sowba]

True freshmen QBs in major conference that started majority of games with above avg pass efficiency 2008-2012:

Name - Record
Pryor 8-2
RG3 4-7
Braxton Miller 4-6
Teddy B 5-5
Barkley 9-3
Perry Hillis 4-3

19 other true freshmen started games with below avg efficiency, the best being Savage and Forcier who both regressed soph seasons.

Great post.

B Miller with the 4-6 doesnt tell the whole story. The guy threw 13/4 td/int, led the team in rushing with over 700. Also, if Teddy B and RG3 don't start as true freshmen, do their teams become nationally prominent the following years? Because they started as true freshmen, racked up less than stellar records, and then became heisman winner, and contender. With less talent than we have this year, right now. How does that variety of experience weigh against Heaps' garbage experience? All the hand-wringing about the true freshman business is getting old; I know everyone here likes to pat themselves on the back and hate on the coaches. But if Kaaya is better than heaps, I promise you the staff will start him. And our team will benefit.

 

[fincane]

Bridgewater didn't start the season. He didn't get his first start until about week 4. RG3 missed almost and entire year because of an injury too. Who is to say that his time off and sitting didn't contribute to his growth? You're also talking about the #2 overall pick in the draft. We predicting that for Kaaya now?

 

[CaneAlmighty]

You guys are fooling yourselves if you think it's not going to be Heaps. Unless Kaaya is head and shoulders better we're not going into a nationally televised night road game with a true freshmen quarterback.

This.
Nothing that has come from a credible source indicates that that Kaaya is better than Heaps "By a lot" (LOL).
Video's that have been released show both Heaps and Kayaa making good throws, making bad throws and making bone headed throws.
So I'm not sure where the "Team Kayaa" crowd is thinking that Kaaya is playing better. Wishful thinking is my only explanation.

But what you say makes sense. Start the senior unless it's clear as day that Kayaa gives the team a better chance to win.
Heaps should be able to handle the pressure better. And if he doesn't pull him out and put in Kaaya. Empirical evidence suggests that QBs that come in off the bench play with less pressure and as a result play better.
It really is a win win to start Heaps.

 

[wherrera8]

Just wondering how many games you think kaaya wins as our starter ?

Lsu is opening up with a primetime game vs wisconsin and its looking like brandon harris a true freshman at qb along with a frosh rb and wr and their fans aint crying like ****es.

I brought that up the other day. People are going to say he can run which makes it easier to start him. Blah blah blah. While they have a point, Kaaya would have all the tools around him to just go out and dish it around out there, move the chains and put up points.

Coaches get paid millions to prepare their players for games. Name a starter, spend extra time off the field getting him ready and roll with it.

Not sure to be honest. I don't know how much either one of them wins.

 

[sowba]

1Bridgewater didn't start the season. He didn't get his first start until about week 4. 2RG3 missed almost and entire year because of an injury too. Who is to say that his time off and sitting didn't contribute to his growth? You're also talking about the #2 overall pick in the draft. 3We predicting that for Kaaya now?

1. 4 weeks of practice does not a redshirt year make. I'm taking aim at the pro-redshirt year argument.
2. It was his sophomore year. His true freshman campaign he threw 15/3 td/int. Over 800 yards rushing. Pretty good. Who's to say if he wasn't injured he wouldn't have grown more?
3. Smh. Stop.

 

[CoCaneHead]

How can y'all not be worried a true freshman is out best qb right now.

this... these guys acting like its a good thing that we might have to start a true freshman... not a red shirt freshman.. or a freshman that enrolled early... smh this is going to be a long season

 

[sowba]

How can y'all not be worried a true freshman is out best qb right now.

this... these guys acting like its a good thing that we might have to start a true freshman... not a red shirt freshman.. or a freshman that enrolled early... smh this is going to be a long season

Just to clarify without argument, I think the pro-Kaaya's among us dont think it's a good thing that we might have to start a true freshman. We think we have a true freshman who is good enough and talented enough to start. What's wrong with that? Would it be better if the Kaaya buzz was that he sucked and was a couple years away, as with Olsen? What's the problem here?

 

[fincane]

1Bridgewater didn't start the season. He didn't get his first start until about week 4. 2RG3 missed almost and entire year because of an injury too. Who is to say that his time off and sitting didn't contribute to his growth? You're also talking about the #2 overall pick in the draft. 3We predicting that for Kaaya now?

1. 4 weeks of practice does not a redshirt year make. I'm taking aim at the pro-redshirt year argument.
2. It was his sophomore year. His true freshman campaign he threw 15/3 td/int. Over 800 yards rushing. Pretty good. Who's to say if he wasn't injured he wouldn't have grown more?
3. Smh. Stop.

I need to stop and you're choosing a Heisman winner and another first round pick(special and out of the ordinary players) and using what they did as freshman as some reason why people shouldn't be worried about him playing early.

 

[sowba]

1Bridgewater didn't start the season. He didn't get his first start until about week 4. 2RG3 missed almost and entire year because of an injury too. Who is to say that his time off and sitting didn't contribute to his growth? You're also talking about the #2 overall pick in the draft. 3We predicting that for Kaaya now?

1. 4 weeks of practice does not a redshirt year make. I'm taking aim at the pro-redshirt year argument.
2. It was his sophomore year. His true freshman campaign he threw 15/3 td/int. Over 800 yards rushing. Pretty good. Who's to say if he wasn't injured he wouldn't have grown more?
3. Smh. Stop.

I need to stop and you're choosing a Heisman winner and another first round pick(special and out of the ordinary players) and using what they did as freshman as some reason why people shouldn't be worried about him playing early.

I shook my head and said you need to stop because I'm not predicting anything for Kaaya. I thought that was clear but I guess not. I'm saying that nothing is as predictable as some want to make it out to be, and therefore there's no need to go around quoting old stats about true freshman qb's with entirely different qualities in entirely different programs. We have a very talented team, the most talented we've had in a long time. And I think it's clear that Kaaya is a talented qb for a freshman. I wish williams hadn't gone down, but he did so this is our situation, and I don't feel it's as dire as it could be based on what this true freshman has been showing so far.

 

[Calinative]

U guys are crazy thinking Ryan Williams isn't the starting qb. I hope Kaaya starts, because Heaps has proven he really isnt that good in his past 2 stops. Best case scenario is Kaaya starts first 2 weeks. Then RW is back the week before Nebraska game. This way Kaaya gets real game experience against UL, and those crap teams so he'll be ready for the job next year.

 

[OldhamA]

U guys are crazy thinking Ryan Williams isn't the starting qb. I hope Kaaya starts, because Heaps has proven he really isnt that good in his past 2 stops. Best case scenario is Kaaya starts first 2 weeks. Then RW is back the week before Nebraska game. This way Kaaya gets real game experience against UL, and those crap teams so he'll be ready for the job next year.

How is that the best case scenario?

The best case scenario (if you're factoring in Williams taking the job) is for Heaps to hold down the fort for 4 weeks then Williams to ride in on his white stallion to save the day, leaving Kaaya with a redshirt year.

I think what will happen is Heaps will start the season then they'll slowly work in Kaaya and Olsen. Williams will probably get some token throws too.

 

[ThomasM]

After the class signed I took a while to watch every bit of tape on every player that I could find. That is one solid class. Top to bottom. Stars be damned, this last class will help us a ton moving forward.

There are some absolute beasts in that freshman class. Gayot and Gray look like seniors.

 

[jakeman1]

Braxton Miller was useless against Miami as a freshman. When their starting QB was injured, it was game over. He couldn't run the offense.

 

[bigpurk45]

Kaaya threw the 30 yard pass to duke down the middle saw jake heaps get 3 balls batted down , d jack is a beast of the edge kid is gonna swat a lot of passes in his career also saw fentress (I think) line up right of dp , didn't see much only about 25 mins and god is our field goal kicking awful lol #18 which is believe is goudis freaking was kicking em like 10 yards short no lie

This is the dirty little reality I continue to block out and pretend it will go away. It's going to cost us dearly this year.

Yeah and those games could be... Louisville, Nebraska, UNC, and FSU... thats **** really worries me!

 

[motorcitycane]

Lsu is opening up with a primetime game vs wisconsin and its looking like brandon harris a true freshman at qb along with a frosh rb and wr and their fans aint crying like ****es.

TAMU likely will start True Freshman Kyle Allen at QB as well.

 

[MIA42178]

This is a very simple equation to solve


Heaps= Definite Corch
Kaaya = Possibly Coach (at least Coarch)

Name another great coach who didnt start the more promising Freshman..over the more experienced JR/SR.Stopps did it, Butch Did it, yall are some flucking fools if ya dont believe this... If we dont have an all ACC QB on our team you start the freshman...If Golden starts Heaps he is who we thought he was

Great examples. Cause none of those coaches started the true freshman. Stoops started a redshirt and Butch started Dorsey halfway through the year after the starter was injured. And Dorsey was terrible in losses in his first couple games on the road. VT-99 and UW-2000.

Ok wise *** Matt Barkley, T Pryor, Chad Henne, Erik Ainge, Matt Stafford?? **** even Reggie Ball started freshman year for GTEch i think he beat us that year too

Butch started TJ Yates his first season at UNC. They had been a dumpster fire in 2006. They beat miami. The next season they were incredibly good.