First CFP Rankings

[252cane]

Again, you can say whatever you want. Yet this summer, you had Florida fans talking about how if they had "only" 4 losses against their (seemingly) brutal schedule, they might get in.

A lot depends on the final 3-4 games. We have seen "Top 12" teams lose to lesser teams this season. There is no clearcut "best" team or teams. All of the undefeated teams have had a couple of close calls. And the teams that HAVE lost? Oh, yeah, those are QNWs.

The point, as always, it that it's such a fine line between stupid and clever.* If Miami loses one game, we could easily drop to 13.


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It depends on who you lose too and how you lose and also who you beat. I think that’s the part y’all don’t get. If Miami goes 12-0 and then lose to a 11-1 smu by a fg I guaranteed you they aren’t dropping from 4 all the way out the top 12

 

[Zombie-Cane]

It depends on who you lose too and how you lose and also who you beat. I think that’s the part y’all don’t get. If Miami goes 12-0 and then lose to a 11-1 smu by a fg I guaranteed you they aren’t dropping from 4 all the way out the top 12

If Miami is 12-0 and loses to an 11-1 SMU by a FG, keep in mind, we would be higher than 4, due to teams playing each other..........so it further proves your point.

 

[Ispyin]

All of you guys keep talking about strength of schedule too much as if it’s the only thing they look at, but they also look at the strength of record and Miami’s top five in that. There are also multiple other factors besides strength of schedule and win loss record that help them put everybody in place.

Regardless, in terms of strength of schedule Miami right now is I think maybe the sixth strength of schedule the top 12 so you’re all making a whole lotta bull**** out of nothing. There are multiple teams with fireworks at the moment and yes, that will continue to change as teams play rivals in conference, but the rankings are about this week not about what will happen.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

It depends on who you lose too and how you lose and also who you beat. I think that’s the part y’all don’t get. If Miami goes 12-0 and then lose to a 11-1 smu by a fg I guaranteed you they aren’t dropping from 4 all the way out the top 12

Hilarious with the "y'all don't get". Meanwhile, I'm the one who mentions nearly every scenario on the Rankings thread.

If Miami has three close wins in the next three games (and/or we get "help" from the refs) and then we "finally" lose to the one good team we play, there will be a revived narrative about how we "should have" lost to VaTech and Cal too.

Everything is relative. To say that "one more loss disqualifies Alabama" is overly restrictive and predictive. It all depends on the other games that are played and/or lost by other teams.

SMU is sitting at #13 with ONE loss. And SMU's ONE loss is to ranked BYU by 3 points. Plus, they beat ranked Louisville AND ranked Pitt, which is more than we can say.

So, yeah, the distance between 4 and 13 is not so great when it comes to ACC teams.

Everything is relative. Everything depends on everything else.

 

[Warrior808]

Texas lost, Miami didn't.

The FIRST criterion should be winning. Period.

SOS should only come into play later, to differentiate between equal LOSERS.

So Army should be ranked #5??

Of coarse strength of schedule maters, how could it not. The question is how much does it matter and how are you determining that strength of schedule.

My issue is the SEC gets all those teams automatically ranked high in the pre-season and they ride that wave right through the end of the year. Thats where all those "good losses" come in. Its a self fullfiling cycle. How do we really know if all these SEC teams are even good when they are mostly just playing each other?

I do believe they are generally the best conference but even if they had a really down year it wouldnt matter. When you lose to a name brand SEC counterpart its automatically baked in as "a good loss". I mean look at Missouri, they are crap. Change the logo on their helmet to SMU with the same results and they would be rated about 40th in the country

 

[SCarolina Ibis]

Again, you can say whatever you want. Yet this summer, you had Florida fans talking about how if they had "only" 4 losses against their (seemingly) brutal schedule, they might get in.

A lot depends on the final 3-4 games. We have seen "Top 12" teams lose to lesser teams this season. There is no clearcut "best" team or teams. All of the undefeated teams have had a couple of close calls. And the teams that HAVE lost? Oh, yeah, those are QNWs.

The point, as always, it that it's such a fine line between stupid and clever.* If Miami loses one game, we could easily drop to 13.


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You're right. They've repeatedly shown that they'd give Alabama the benefit of the doubt.

I mean.. If it comes down to the final spot and the committee is picking between:

3 loss Alabama (Vandy, LSU, Tenn), top 25 win over #2 UGA
2 loss SMU (Miami, BYU), top 25 win over Pitt (if they're still ranked)
2 loss Iowa State (Texas Tech, BYU), top 25 win over K-State (if they're still ranked)
1 loss Washington State (Boise), no top 25 wins

Who would they choose?

If BYU, Indiana, Notre Dame, Iowa State, SMU or Boise drop a game they shouldn't, it opens the door for a 3 loss team from the SEC.

 

[Canemang]

it will resolve itself after this weekend.

Bama plays LSU

UGA plays Ol Miss......

Unfortunately, it won't matter. SEC/BIG10 will always the benefit of the doubt with this committee. I 100% expect a 3-loss SEC team to get in

 

[NCCanefan]

Helps the SEC

they cannot stop talking about it

Wait, a grown a$$ man named Booger got something right?

 

[wnycanesfan]

SMU should be in NDs spot.

Yeah if you lose to NIU who turns around and loses to Buffalo the next game then you should be eliminated from the playoff.

 

[TheOriginalCane]

So Army should be ranked #5??

Of coarse strength of schedule maters, how could it not. The question is how much does it matter and how are you determining that strength of schedule.

My issue is the SEC gets all those teams automatically ranked high in the pre-season and they ride that wave right through the end of the year. Thats where all those "good losses" come in. Its a self fullfiling cycle. How do we really know if all these SEC teams are even good when they are mostly just playing each other?

I do believe they are generally the best conference but even if they had a really down year it wouldnt matter. When you lose to a name brand SEC counterpart its automatically baked in as "a good loss". I mean look at Missouri, they are crap. Change the logo on their helmet to SMU with the same results and they would be rated about 40th in the country

Is Army a Power 4 team? Miami is. There is a difference.

 

[Bird4um]

You're right. They've repeatedly shown that they'd give Alabama the benefit of the doubt.

I mean.. If it comes down to the final spot and the committee is picking between:

3 loss Alabama (Vandy, LSU, Tenn), top 25 win over #2 UGA
2 loss SMU (Miami, BYU), top 25 win over Pitt (if they're still ranked)
2 loss Iowa State (Texas Tech, BYU), top 25 win over K-State (if they're still ranked)
1 loss Washington State (Boise), no top 25 wins

Who would they choose?

If BYU, Indiana, Notre Dame, Iowa State, SMU or Boise drop a game they shouldn't, it opens the door for a 3 loss team from the SEC.

SMU

 

[TheOriginalCane]

You're right. They've repeatedly shown that they'd give Alabama the benefit of the doubt.

I mean.. If it comes down to the final spot and the committee is picking between:

3 loss Alabama (Vandy, LSU, Tenn), top 25 win over #2 UGA
2 loss SMU (Miami, BYU), top 25 win over Pitt (if they're still ranked)
2 loss Iowa State (Texas Tech, BYU), top 25 win over K-State (if they're still ranked)
1 loss Washington State (Boise), no top 25 wins

Who would they choose?

If BYU, Indiana, Notre Dame, Iowa State, SMU or Boise drop a game they shouldn't, it opens the door for a 3 loss team from the SEC.

Alabama is currently IN with 2 losses.

SMU, Iowa State, and Washington State are currently OUT with 1 loss each.

Therefore, if Alabama, SMU, and Iowa State all lost ONE MORE GAME EACH, I would argue that Alabama gets in ahead of those two. And I don't even think a 1-loss Washington State could jump Alabama.

So....Alabama, in your scenario.

 

[NE Canes]

My issue is the SEC gets all those teams automatically ranked high in the pre-season and they ride that wave right through the end of the year. Thats where all those "good losses" come in. Its a self fullfiling cycle. How do we really know if all these SEC teams are even good when they are mostly just playing each other?

This is why rankings do matter.

How do you have a good loss unless you are referring to the rank of the team that a team loses to....

Of course, the committee considers rankings. Rankings form everyone’s opinions.

 

[Warrior808]

This is why rankings do matter.

How do you have a good loss unless you are referring to the rank of the team that a team loses to....

Of course, the committee considers rankings. Rankings form everyone’s opinions.

Yep, thats why when people say rankings dont matter, just win or it will all take care of itself.... Pre-season/early season rankings do matter. They help shape the narrative at the end of the year

 

[DTP]

The biggest problem with the SEC and Big10 expansions is that everyone outside of those two conferences will have to be a conference champion to get in the playoffs because nobody outside the power 2 will have played a “tough enough” schedule. Factor in that nobody in the SEC or BIG10 will want to schedule anyone good out of conference because there’s no need to. After 2025, UF isn’t answering any phone call from the 305 area code for at least a decade. Finish with one loss in either conference and you’re a lock for the playoff. Finish with two and you’re still in good shape. Why risk a loss to an OOC team?

 

[Florido]

Yeah if you lose to NIU who turns around and loses to Buffalo the next game then you should be eliminated from the playoff.

SMU had a much "better" 1 loss than NDs 1 loss. And ND loss was at home.

 

[DeanCane]

I love that it has to be more of a rating than a ranking.

Yall can cry about 1 loss or 2 loss **** but common sense tells you all losses aren’t equal and all wins aren’t equal.

So yes a 2 loss bama team should be over smu because they are the better team. Nobody who complains about it would actually pick smu to beat bama

Yall get on here and worry about every opponent because u see big flaws in our team but then u don’t understand why a osu team who lost to oregon would be over us..its common sense man not hate, majority of these people don’t hate us yall just out of touch with reality most of the time

Is Bama better than SMU. This is not Saban's AL

 

[skyman]

 

[TheRichtShow]

Hilarious with the "y'all don't get". Meanwhile, I'm the one who mentions nearly every scenario on the Rankings thread.

If Miami has three close wins in the next three games (and/or we get "help" from the refs) and then we "finally" lose to the one good team we play, there will be a revived narrative about how we "should have" lost to VaTech and Cal too.

Everything is relative. To say that "one more loss disqualifies Alabama" is overly restrictive and predictive. It all depends on the other games that are played and/or lost by other teams.

SMU is sitting at #13 with ONE loss. And SMU's ONE loss is to ranked BYU by 3 points. Plus, they beat ranked Louisville AND ranked Pitt, which is more than we can say.

So, yeah, the distance between 4 and 13 is not so great when it comes to ACC teams.

Everything is relative. Everything depends on everything else.

Gotta keep in mind that top-12 teams will lose games though. Indiana is the best probable example. The committee made a clear statement they have Miami ahead of Indiana. Assuming Indiana loses to Ohio St, then a 12-1 Miami (with a ACCCG loss) is ahead of that 4th Big 10 team (an 11-1 Indiana).