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F'in Alabama

dk72 said:
Well, Saban, and the behind-the-scenes activity of their booster network. Though maybe the new compensation rules will allow us to even that part of the playing field a bit.
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yea its easier to think, as our administration does probably, that its a booster network and not paying $10M for the best coach money can buy. While we give zippy the clown the rains.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
Everyone says rivals is a joke but i’ve never seen any analysis of why it’s objectively worse than the others. it’s a convenient reference, which is why I use it
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When you have Corey Collier as a 5 stars and Koht as a 3 star, that kind of says all you need to know right? Their rankings are far more about which kids go to Rivals events than actual evals. For example, look at where they had Leonard Taylor ranked in comparison to others. If anything, the 247 composite is the most reliable metric as it averages the 3 different ratings together.
 
AllAboutTheU said:
When you have Corey Collier as a 5 stars and Koht as a 3 star, that kind of says all you need to know right? Their rankings are far more about which kids go to Rivals events than actual evals. For example, look at where they had Leonard Taylor ranked in comparison to others. If anything, the 247 composite is the most reliable metric as it averages the 3 different ratings together.
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247 is far and away the best.

Rivals I guess would be second with ESPN last. Those two can be swapped
 
gogeta4 said:
What evals though? They are really after all the 5 stars.

A guy on this board whom i think either son plays for vero or is a fan of vero can give you the eval on Koht and did so about a week ago. It wasnt all that flattering either.

He's the type of end i like..but i also seen him get hemmed up or not look as good in one on ones this spring so...but im sure he can be develop there or flame out within 2 years. Who's the last beastly edge theyve had at Bama?.
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I can't comment on this kid because I don't have my own view and don't know what they think. No one is flawless so it's possible they are wrong. I disagree with that view of Alabama, however. Yes, they recruit from a narrower pool than others. But they consistently pick well. And some of the kids they're recruiting, were not 5* when Alabama identified them. IMO they're very good evaluators. And they clearly have a lot of resources dedicated to evaluations. They know what they're looking for by position. They understand what they are willing to develop vs. what they want up front. They assess well. They have personality profiles that they work with. It's clear to me that they're really process driven and disciplined at it all.

Meanwhile, our own record on high level recruits the past 15 - 20 years isn't good. There's a long list of guys we celebrated who never did a lot at UM and certainly didn't live up to potential here. Kyle Wright, Ryan Moore, Lance Leggett, Willie Williams, Arthur Brown, Ty Moss, A. Bain, Rhyan Anderson, James Bryant, Andrew Johnson, Kirby Freeman, Tyler McMeans, Reggie Youngblood, Charlie Jones, Randy Phillips, Demetri Stewart, Kylan Robinson, Ryan Hill, Tervaris Johnson, Epps, J. James, A. Bailey, Marve, Wiggins, McKenzie, D. Berry, R. Buchanon, B. Jones, Telemaque, CJ Holton, Aldarius, D. Johnson, M. Robinson, Forston, Futch, B. Washington, Ray RayArmstrong, D. Dye, McGee, M. James, L. Robinson, Clements, Storm Johnson, Travis Williams, Bunch, Seantrel, Grimble, McCord, Lockhart, J. Hamilton, Kirby, Sandland, K. Olsen, K. Hester, Moten, Cager, Jerome Washington, Milo, Sam Bruce, Dionte Mullins, Jack Allison, Herbert, D. Wilder, D. Johnson, Perry, Jarren Williams, Ezzard, Reed, Hightower, Lingard. And I'm not even counting guys who didn't make it in, or who did but did reasonably well relative to rating.

Making this list was no fun! Our record across 5 HCs on relatively sought after recruits is atrocious.
 
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AllAboutTheU said:
When you have Corey Collier as a 5 stars and Koht as a 3 star, that kind of says all you need to know right? Their rankings are far more about which kids go to Rivals events than actual evals. For example, look at where they had Leonard Taylor ranked in comparison to others. If anything, the 247 composite is the most reliable metric as it averages the 3 different ratings together.
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Reasoning by anecdote just doesn't appeal to me. All these services are highly flawed. The question is whether there's evidence Rivals is more flawed more consistently than the others. Masybe it is but I haven't seen the proof.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Reasoning by anecdote just doesn't appeal to me. All these services are highly flawed. The question is whether there's evidence Rivals is more flawed more consistently than the others. Masybe it is but I haven't seen the proof.
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Not sure if you want me to provide a study or what? Rivals is consistently off. Of course all of the services are flawed, this is an inexact science. But suggesting that Koht is a 3 star when 247 (who is pretty easily regarded as the best service) has him as a Top 100 kid is pretty weird when you’re trumpeting Bama’s evals. This is a top Florida talent who all of the P5s have been over for years now. Miami offered like two years ago. Of course Saban makes good evals but this isn’t the “find” that you’re presenting it to be.
 
AllAboutTheU said:
Not sure if you want me to provide a study or what? Rivals is consistently off. Of course all of the services are flawed, this is an inexact science. But suggesting that Koht is a 3 star when 247 (who is pretty easily regarded as the best service) has him as a Top 100 kid is pretty weird when you’re trumpeting Bama’s evals. This is a top Florida talent who all of the P5s have been over for years now. Miami offered like two years ago. Of course Saban makes good evals but this isn’t the “find” that you’re presenting it to be.
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I'm not asking for anything, just commenting. People keep claiming that one service is the best or another is the worst. I don't really care what people believe, but if there are facts around it I'm interested, for the same reason I come to this site - because it's football related. I just don't consider random anecdotes as revealing facts. You keep claiming 247 is the best service. Maybe they are. Is there any actual evidence for that, is my question.

In any case, you're also confused about what I said about this kid. I never said Rivals rating of him proved anyone's evals, because no one has any idea who's right yet on his eval. I also didn't claim he's some great 'find' because I have no idea if that's true. I simply stated that I believe Alabama's been very good at evaluating over time. I think that's clear, and explained why. But again, people can believe whatever they want.
 
Ethnicsands said:
. I just don't consider random anecdotes as revealing facts. You keep claiming 247 is the best service. Maybe they are. Is there any actual evidence for that, is my question
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It’s generally accepted. You follow recruiting. Not sure it’s a random anecdote, but you can follow the rankings and get a pretty good idea of the disparity.

Bama obviously has been good at evals, but this kid is a Top 100 talent who everyone is after. Doesn’t really highlight that.
 
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CANEMC said:
Can't hate on kids goin there when we've had Enos, Patke, Baker, Rumph etc. here corching it up. Most SoFL kids want to be with a winning program who can get them to the next level. That's why they transfer high schools often. 'Business' decisions.
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If u stop giving bags no one would go to bama. U always have to give bags no matter your record. Bama drops hefty late last minute where u can't say no the offer is too good.
 
AllAboutTheU said:
It’s generally accepted. You follow recruiting. Not sure it’s a random anecdote, but you can follow the rankings and get a pretty good idea of the disparity.

Bama obviously has been good at evals, but this kid is a Top 100 talent who everyone is after. Doesn’t really highlight that.
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I follow sports enough to know that there are lot’s of ‘generally accepted’ things that are untrue or unproven. That’s the point of asking. People keep saying. Has anyone shown it’s true?

As for Bama, you’re making up a dispute that doesn’t exist. I didn’t claim he proves anything about their evals.
 
Ethnicsands said:
I follow sports enough to know that there are lot’s of ‘generally accepted’ things that are untrue or unproven. That’s the point of asking. People keep saying. Has anyone shown it’s true?

As for Bama, you’re making up a dispute that doesn’t exist. I didn’t claim he proves anything about their evals.
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Ethnicsands said:
Brooks is going to be good. That's a good get for them.

Koht is an interesting one for them. Pure eval. 3* DE, 5.7 Rivals rating. Not top 20 at his position. They're good at evaluating DL. Suspect he'll work out for them.
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Ethnicsands said:
Just highlights the point that the ratings are not perfect. When the services say 3* and Alabama takes him and LSU wanted him, you can bet that he's better than 3* as a prospect. Alabama doesn't need to take that sort of risk on a DL. They must be high on him.
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This is literally what you said. This isn't pure eval. The kid is a 247 Top 100 who had offers from everyone. Just because Rivals is way off doesn't highlight anything.
 
AllAboutTheU said:
This is literally what you said. This isn't pure eval. The kid is a 247 Top 100 who had offers from everyone. Just because Rivals is way off doesn't highlight anything.
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Dude, you are trying too hard to create an internet dispute. My first comment was based on the info I had (Rivals 3*). I simply noted Alabama is good at evals and I suspect as a result he’ll work out for them. If my comment ‘pure eval’ bothers you, you have issues. Call it whatever you want.

My second comment is self explanatory and nothing remotely disputable about it. ‘They must be high on him’ was my apparently shocking to you conclusion. You’re excessively hung up on your preferred service vs rivals. I could care are less.
 
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Bama is certainly recruiting as if Saban isn’t retiring.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Dude, you are trying too hard to create an internet dispute. My first comment was based on the info I had (Rivals 3*). I simply noted Alabama is good at evals and I suspect as a result he’ll work out for them. If my comment ‘pure eval’ bothers you, you have issues. Call it whatever you want.

My second comment is self explanatory and nothing remotely disputable about it. ‘They must be high on him’ was my apparently shocking to you conclusion. You’re excessively hung up on your preferred service vs rivals. I could care are less.
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Lol you're completely misconstruing this and now I'm "trying to start an internet dispute". You got it, man.
 
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NicKane said:
That might change if we hired a proven head coach that can take and devolope our recruits, build a winning team and consistently put guys in the league in the first three rounds. But instead we hired randy, Golden, burned out just fired richt and manure. We get what we pay for and deserve. Smh
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Diaz just recruited a big time class lol and he’s not Nick Saban no one is. outside of corner we did fine
 
Dwinstitles said:
If u stop giving bags no one would go to bama. U always have to give bags no matter your record. Bama drops hefty late last minute where u can't say no the offer is too good.
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While that’s true them constantly putting kids in the 1st round and winning is the reason these kids go to bama.
 
Ethnicsands said:
You’re following me around quoting multiple posts and getting frothy over your dislike of rivals. It’s all good.
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You’re completely mischaracterizing the entire interaction on some weirdo ****. I’m following you around because I responded to you in one thread? The posts quotes confirm everything I said. It’ll be ok, my guy. You’re wrong here.
 
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