Feldman on Miami & Golden

[Jedi Master Cane]

And exactly why can't DUKE improve as a football team to the point where they can beat Miami? In what universe is it written that they can't?
Is it in the same one that that said Miami basketball should never beat Duke Basketball? NOT
Is it the same one the said WF should never beat FSU in football? Clearly not.
Is it the same one that said VT should never be competing for MNC's much less playing in one? NOT
I could go on and on but for the sake of brevity won't.

There is nothing from stopping Duke from being as good a football program as they aspire to be. They have the resources. They have the talent base around them. All they needed was a solid coach and some patience.

And in case you didn't notice DUKE was a solid football program this year.

I was punching holes in walls just like most cane fans were when we lost to them, but as the season went on and DUke proved to be a solid team as A&M and Manziel can attest to I came to terms with it. It's not like they lost to 2-3 win Duke teams of old. This was a legit team.

As for WF, to put things in proper perspective. In 2011 a 9-4 FSU team lost to a 6-7 WF team.. So no, it's not the end of the world that we nearly lost to WF or that we lost to a 10 win Duke team. The current MNC lteam lost to WF 2 years ago. Perspective.. Get some.

Duke improved because of player development and a good scheme....not because of some influx of talent.

You're absolutely ****ing nuts if you attribute Duke's record this year to an improvement of talent. Go back and look at the ratings of all the guys on that roster coming out of high school.

did the scheme change this year? because that same scheme and coaching led to seasons of 4, 5, 3, 3, 6 and this year 10 wins.. that scheme and coaching just all of suddenly worked this year? come on guy..

No...the Coastal just blew donkey balls.

so two posts ago it was good player development and scheme (both things which take time to do).. now it's just the coastal sucks.. got it.

Dude are you retarded? I feel like I'm talking to a 3 year old.

They did a good job relative to WHAT THEY HAVE...which is a **** of a lot less than us. That in no way changes the fact the ACC Coastal was G-A-R-B-A-J-O

Which all just further accentuates the original point that Duke NEVER has any business beating us...or did you forget that I typed that about 20 posts ago?

Gotta love the Don Bailey Jr disciples.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

So just to be clear...everyone in this thread that is of sound mind and knows at least a little football will admit that Miami has more talent on their roster than Duke.

So did WF have more talent then FSU in 2011?

 

[RiDLer80]

So just to be clear...everyone in this thread that is of sound mind and knows at least a little football will admit that Miami has more talent on their roster than Duke.

So did WF have more talent then FSU in 2011?

What does that have to do with anything?

Wake never has more talent than FSU just as Duke didn't have more talent than us this season.

We were out-coached in that game. That's the point that's trying to be made here.

Do you honestly feel that Duke had more talent than us this season and that's the reason we lost, or were they better prepared than we were and better coached?

 

[CaneAlmighty]

So just to be clear...everyone in this thread that is of sound mind and knows at least a little football will admit that Miami has more talent on their roster than Duke.

So did WF have more talent then FSU in 2011?

What does that have to do with anything?

Wake never has more talent than FSU just as Duke didn't have more talent than us this season.

We were out-coached in that game. That's the point that's trying to be made here.

Do you honestly feel that Duke had more talent than us this season and that's the reason we lost, or were they better prepared than we were and better coached?

Most important position QB Duke's proved to better, tougher, gamers,
RB's are better
WR we have the edge talent wise but their #1 can hang with ours.
OL push
DE theirs was better
Their MLB was better
Their saftey's are better

Should I continue.

So overall I don't think we out talent them. At least not enough to overcome an inefficient offense that couldn't convert on key 3rds downs.
2 long runs blew the game open for Duke. Go back and watch those runs and tell me if scheme or play calling was the reason why they were successful.

Lastly Cutcliffe is a heck of a coach

 

[chicanego]

So just to be clear...everyone in this thread that is of sound mind and knows at least a little football will admit that Miami has more talent on their roster than Duke.

So did WF have more talent then FSU in 2011?

What does that have to do with anything?

Wake never has more talent than FSU just as Duke didn't have more talent than us this season.

We were out-coached in that game. That's the point that's trying to be made here.

Do you honestly feel that Duke had more talent than us this season and that's the reason we lost, or were they better prepared than we were and better coached?

Most important position QB Duke's proved to better, tougher, gamers,
RB's are better
WR we have the edge talent wise but their #1 can hang with ours.
OL push
DE theirs was better
Their MLB was better
Their saftey's are better

Should I continue.

 

[Miami82]

So just to be clear...everyone in this thread that is of sound mind and knows at least a little football will admit that Miami has more talent on their roster than Duke.

So did WF have more talent then FSU in 2011?

What does that have to do with anything?

Wake never has more talent than FSU just as Duke didn't have more talent than us this season.

We were out-coached in that game. That's the point that's trying to be made here.

Do you honestly feel that Duke had more talent than us this season and that's the reason we lost, or were they better prepared than we were and better coached?

Most important position QB Duke's proved to better, tougher, gamers,
RB's are better
WR we have the edge talent wise but their #1 can hang with ours.
OL push
DE theirs was better
Their MLB was better
Their saftey's are better

Should I continue.

So overall I don't think we out talent them. At least not enough to overcome an inefficient offense that couldn't convert on key 3rds downs.
2 long runs blew the game open for Duke. Go back and watch those runs and tell me if scheme or play calling was the reason why they were successful.

Lastly Cutcliffe is a heck of a coach

 

[CaneAlmighty]

So just to be clear...everyone in this thread that is of sound mind and knows at least a little football will admit that Miami has more talent on their roster than Duke.

So did WF have more talent then FSU in 2011?

What does that have to do with anything?

Wake never has more talent than FSU just as Duke didn't have more talent than us this season.

We were out-coached in that game. That's the point that's trying to be made here

The reason why I posted that is for some perspective.

There is no debating that the talent discrepancy between FSU and WF in 2011 was greater than any talent discrepancy Miami is believed to have had vs any one our opponents. Way greater. Mile wide greater. And yet they lost to WF 35 to 30. FSU ended up going 9-4 with losses to OU, CLemson and UVA. I'd venture to say talent wise they were on par with all of them.
So the point is, sometimes talent is not the end all be all. Sometimes talent needs time to develop and mature. Sometimes you may not have the right mix of talent/players. Sometimes teams match up better despite having "Lesser" talent.
Anyhow, this shows it's not the end of the world. FIsher didn't go off firing people. He didn't fire Coley for having the 77th ranked offense.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

So just to be clear...everyone in this thread that is of sound mind and knows at least a little football will admit that Miami has more talent on their roster than Duke.

So did WF have more talent then FSU in 2011?

What does that have to do with anything?

Wake never has more talent than FSU just as Duke didn't have more talent than us this season.

We were out-coached in that game. That's the point that's trying to be made here.

Do you honestly feel that Duke had more talent than us this season and that's the reason we lost, or were they better prepared than we were and better coached?

Most important position QB Duke's proved to better, tougher, gamers,
RB's are better
WR we have the edge talent wise but their #1 can hang with ours.
OL push
DE theirs was better
Their MLB was better
Their saftey's are better

Should I continue.

So overall I don't think we out talent them. At least not enough to overcome an inefficient offense that couldn't convert on key 3rds downs.
2 long runs blew the game open for Duke. Go back and watch those runs and tell me if scheme or play calling was the reason why they were successful.

Lastly Cutcliffe is a heck of a coach

I disagree with almost every position you gave them the edge to. Every single recruiting service ranked our players higher on average.

According to ESPN's rankings,

QB=Morris was higher rated than the average of Boone and Connette. (48 vs. 37 and 61.)

RB=Since Dallas wasn't ranked at RB, Gus was higher rated than Thompson. (57 vs. 65.)

WR=For this particular game, Hurns,Waters, and Coley lead over McCaffrey, Crowder, and Blakeney. (103, 67 ATH, 4 vs. 233, 65 ATH, NR.)

TE=Duke's Deaver over Walford. (161 WR vs. NR.)

OL=Flowers, Feliciano, McDermott, Linder, and Henderson easily over Cofield, Harding, Skura, Tomlinson, Simmons. (57 OT, 51 OT, 5 C, 2 C, 1 OT vs. 127 OT, 58 OG, 13 OC, 65 OG, NR.)

DE=Green and Chickilo better than Foxx and Anunike. (140 DE and 5 DE vs. 138 DE and NR TE.)

DT=Porter and Pierre over Bruce and Sarmiento. (19 DT and High rank Post DE vs. 144 DE and 71 DE.)

MLB=Helton over Gaines. (31 ILB vs. NR OLB.)

OLB=Perryman and Cornelius over Brown and Cash. (28 ILB and 26 OLB vs. 88 OLB and 13 S.)

CB=Howard and Gunter over Patterson and ****rell. (1 CB and JUCO NR CB vs. 82 S and NR CB.)

S=Bush, Jenkins, Highsmith, an Rodgers II over Norman and McCarthy. (4 S, 42 S, 24 QB, and 32 CB vs. 51 S and 144 S.)

We more than enough talent and should have been able to overwhelm them. Certain things in the game prevented that from happening. Coley getting hurt, the defense quitting, stalling in the red zone, weak 3rd down performances, etc.. The 2 big runs certainly busted the onslaught open, but that's 14 points and our 30 should have been more than enough to beat Duke. Our mediocre scheme and play calling went up against elite scheme and play calling. That's ultimately why we lost.

 

[Hobokane]

So just to be clear...everyone in this thread that is of sound mind and knows at least a little football will admit that Miami has more talent on their roster than Duke.

So did WF have more talent then FSU in 2011?

What does that have to do with anything?

Wake never has more talent than FSU just as Duke didn't have more talent than us this season.

We were out-coached in that game. That's the point that's trying to be made here.

Do you honestly feel that Duke had more talent than us this season and that's the reason we lost, or were they better prepared than we were and better coached?

Most important position QB Duke's proved to better, tougher, gamers,
RB's are better
WR we have the edge talent wise but their #1 can hang with ours.
OL push
DE theirs was better
Their MLB was better
Their saftey's are better

Should I continue.

So overall I don't think we out talent them. At least not enough to overcome an inefficient offense that couldn't convert on key 3rds downs.
2 long runs blew the game open for Duke. Go back and watch those runs and tell me if scheme or play calling was the reason why they were successful.

Lastly Cutcliffe is a heck of a coach

I disagree with almost every position you gave them the edge to. Every single recruiting service ranked our players higher on average.

According to ESPN's rankings,

QB=Morris was higher rated than the average of Boone and Connette. (48 vs. 37 and 61.)

RB=Since Dallas wasn't ranked at RB, Gus was higher rated than Thompson. (57 vs. 65.)

WR=For this particular game, Hurns,Waters, and Coley lead over McCaffrey, Crowder, and Blakeney. (103, 67 ATH, 4 vs. 233, 65 ATH, NR.)

TE=Duke's Deaver over Walford. (161 WR vs. NR.)

OL=Flowers, Feliciano, McDermott, Linder, and Henderson easily over Cofield, Harding, Skura, Tomlinson, Simmons. (57 OT, 51 OT, 5 C, 2 C, 1 OT vs. 127 OT, 58 OG, 13 OC, 65 OG, NR.)

DE=Green and Chickilo better than Foxx and Anunike. (140 DE and 5 DE vs. 138 DE and NR TE.)

DT=Porter and Pierre over Bruce and Sarmiento. (19 DT and High rank Post DE vs. 144 DE and 71 DE.)

MLB=Helton over Gaines. (31 ILB vs. NR OLB.)

OLB=Perryman and Cornelius over Brown and Cash. (28 ILB and 26 OLB vs. 88 OLB and 13 S.)

CB=Howard and Gunter over Patterson and ****rell. (1 CB and JUCO NR CB vs. 82 S and NR CB.)

S=Bush, Jenkins, Highsmith, an Rodgers II over Norman and McCarthy. (4 S, 42 S, 24 QB, and 32 CB vs. 51 S and 144 S.)

We more than enough talent and should have been able to overwhelm them. Certain things in the game prevented that from happening. Coley getting hurt, the defense quitting, stalling in the red zone, weak 3rd down performances, etc.. The 2 big runs certainly busted the onslaught open, but that's 14 points and our 30 should have been more than enough to beat Duke. Our mediocre scheme and play calling went up against elite scheme and play calling. That's ultimately why we lost.

Game. Set. Match. Well played sir.

 

[Consigliere]

Sorry brother....the "times change" thing only applies here cause we've self imposed 3 bad coaching staffs in a row which has gotten us to this point.

I'll repeat....nowhere in this universe should the University of Miami (who happens to be positioned in the most recruiting ground in America......plus has more talent even in their off years than Duke) should ever lose to them. I'll give Duke a ton of credit...but it only further proves the point that COACHING MAKES A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN COLLEGE FOOTBALL.

Ask yourself this question...and be honest. You keep everything else constant and switch Duke's coaching staff with ours going into that game.

Give me a score.

I agree but...times DO change.

We hired Coach L and things change, we went from bottom-feeders to ranked #1 with the right guy. We went from Duke's bltch to whipping them and almost beating them at their house (fark Kelly).

Please note I do think we should beat Duke but sometimes things change. Sorry that you disagree. I do agree that we have had 3 bad coaching tenures in a row and it puts us in this position.

To answer your question (I hate these hypos BTW), I would expect our offense to be a little better and our defense to be pretty similar. I like Cutcliffe's offensive brain, I don't think he improves the defense overall.

I don't have a clue what would be the score. Even if Al and Co beats Duke this year (which they should), does this change things? Does this mean Al and Co is a better crew than Cutcliffe and Co.

I couldn't possibly disagree more. You switch the coaching staffs and not only is the offense better, but the defense at least plays "mediocre" simply by getting rid of that piece-of-garbage-abomination of a defensive scheme.

Do you have any idea how huge a step up "mediocre" is from our current state on defense?

Is it time to coin a new phrase? We were "Cokerized" for so long , I think it's pretty evident that we haven't even noticed that some of our fanbase has been Goldenized.

Let me guess...you probably see the trend.

Honestly, I don't know why switching the staff matters. You don't have to sell me on the quality of our staff. I never said our staff was good, I only was making the point that over time something can change.

A team can go from utter dog SHlT as demonstrated below (7 straight losing seasons)

2-9 (1-7), 4-7 (2-6), 4-7 (2-6), 5-6 (4-4), 1-11 (1-8), 4-8 (3-6), 5-7 (4-5)

to winning and being in 4 straight BCS games

8-5 (6-3), 12-1 (8-1), 11-2 (8-1), 12-2 (8-1), 11-3 (7-2)

I know this staff is bad, I got it. Trust me I got it. I just also know that things can change and a team can get good.

 

[AntwanJ306]

Every single recruiting service ranked our players higher on average.

That has to be the single biggest flaw with this board. Relying on recruiting rankings to compare players two or three years later. If people haven't learned by now, they never will.

The second biggest flaw is comparing our defensive players with theirs, or our offensive players with theirs. Anthony Boone didn't play against Stephen Morris, he played against our joke of a defense. And yes, he is more talented than just about everyone who was allegedly supposed to be stopping him.

 

[Consigliere]

Every single recruiting service ranked our players higher on average.

That has to be the single biggest flaw with this board. Relying on recruiting rankings to compare players two or three years later. If people haven't learned by now, they never will.

The second biggest flaw is comparing our defensive players with theirs, or our offensive players with theirs. Anthony Boone didn't play against Stephen Morris, he played against our joke of a defense. And yes, he is more talented than just about everyone who was allegedly supposed to be stopping him.

One of the many reasons I hate these alternate universe hypotheticals.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

Every single recruiting service ranked our players higher on average.

That has to be the single biggest flaw with this board. Relying on recruiting rankings to compare players two or three years later. If people haven't learned by now, they never will.

The second biggest flaw is comparing our defensive players with theirs, or our offensive players with theirs. Anthony Boone didn't play against Stephen Morris, he played against our joke of a defense. And yes, he is more talented than just about everyone who was allegedly supposed to be stopping him.

One of the many reasons I hate these alternate universe hypotheticals.

The point being contended was our level of talent vs. Duke's level of talent. The entire purpose of recruiting services is to rank players based on talent. Although I only showed ESPN's, Scout, 247, and Rivals all had nearly identical rankings. All recruiting is based on is hypothetical projections, that's why it's an evaluation of talent and how it is expected to perform 2-3 years later barring any injuries. Comparing the opposing players at the same position is not flawed at all based on the assumption of accepting composite talent analysis and debating who was more talented. While Morris didn't face Boone head to head, that wasn't what was being analyzed. Talent was.

Recruiting is nothing but alternate universe hypotheticals. It is a guess and expectation at how good somebody will eventually be.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

So did WF have more talent then FSU in 2011?

What does that have to do with anything?

Wake never has more talent than FSU just as Duke didn't have more talent than us this season.

We were out-coached in that game. That's the point that's trying to be made here.

Do you honestly feel that Duke had more talent than us this season and that's the reason we lost, or were they better prepared than we were and better coached?

Most important position QB Duke's proved to better, tougher, gamers,
RB's are better
WR we have the edge talent wise but their #1 can hang with ours.
OL push
DE theirs was better
Their MLB was better
Their saftey's are better

Should I continue.

So overall I don't think we out talent them. At least not enough to overcome an inefficient offense that couldn't convert on key 3rds downs.
2 long runs blew the game open for Duke. Go back and watch those runs and tell me if scheme or play calling was the reason why they were successful.

Lastly Cutcliffe is a heck of a coach

I disagree with almost every position you gave them the edge to. Every single recruiting service ranked our players higher on average.

According to ESPN's rankings,

QB=Morris was higher rated than the average of Boone and Connette. (48 vs. 37 and 61.)

RB=Since Dallas wasn't ranked at RB, Gus was higher rated than Thompson. (57 vs. 65.)

WR=For this particular game, Hurns,Waters, and Coley lead over McCaffrey, Crowder, and Blakeney. (103, 67 ATH, 4 vs. 233, 65 ATH, NR.)

TE=Duke's Deaver over Walford. (161 WR vs. NR.)

OL=Flowers, Feliciano, McDermott, Linder, and Henderson easily over Cofield, Harding, Skura, Tomlinson, Simmons. (57 OT, 51 OT, 5 C, 2 C, 1 OT vs. 127 OT, 58 OG, 13 OC, 65 OG, NR.)

DE=Green and Chickilo better than Foxx and Anunike. (140 DE and 5 DE vs. 138 DE and NR TE.)

DT=Porter and Pierre over Bruce and Sarmiento. (19 DT and High rank Post DE vs. 144 DE and 71 DE.)

MLB=Helton over Gaines. (31 ILB vs. NR OLB.)

OLB=Perryman and Cornelius over Brown and Cash. (28 ILB and 26 OLB vs. 88 OLB and 13 S.)

CB=Howard and Gunter over Patterson and ****rell. (1 CB and JUCO NR CB vs. 82 S and NR CB.)

S=Bush, Jenkins, Highsmith, an Rodgers II over Norman and McCarthy. (4 S, 42 S, 24 QB, and 32 CB vs. 51 S and 144 S.)

We more than enough talent and should have been able to overwhelm them. Certain things in the game prevented that from happening. Coley getting hurt, the defense quitting, stalling in the red zone, weak 3rd down performances, etc.. The 2 big runs certainly busted the onslaught open, but that's 14 points and our 30 should have been more than enough to beat Duke. Our mediocre scheme and play calling went up against elite scheme and play calling. That's ultimately why we lost.

Game. Set. Match. Well played sir.

I appreciate it. I wanted to see what the talent spread was like and this just illustrates how absolutely brilliant David Cutcliffe and his staff are, although Duke's talent was a little better than I would have thought.

 

[JimiGerman]

Not saying 8 wins is acceptable by any means. Just saying that these are the facts right now and we all know we are stuck with him for another year. No coach is coming here and taking this team to a ship by 2015, so yes, for a team that has NEVER won or been to an ACC title game, I am making that our first goal. I think we all need to step back and realize that we will not be a Top 10 team next year, probably not even close. Anyone who goes into next year expecting us to be world-beaters is just setting themselves up for a huge letdown, like this year. And yes, I am absolutely hoping Jameis goes pro after next year because that FSU team is waaaaaay too stacked already and we have fallen farther and farther behind their pace over the past few years. Is that Golden's fault? YES. But can we as fans do anything about it? No. So no, I am not giving Al a pass. Just feeding everyone a dose of reality.

 

[AntwanJ306]

The entire purpose of recruiting services is to rank players based on talent.

We get what it means on signing day. The flaw is using the exact same rankings three years later - unchanged - and saying "see how much more talented we are". That just isn't even close to reality. We missed badly on the class that should have been leading us this year, no matter what their ranking was three years ago.

I get what you're trying to say, and I'm not even close to defending the staff, so please don't take it that way. I just think we had upper classmen who were brutal.

 

[Canesontherise]

**** Feldman and the rest of you turn coats!!!

 

[CaneAlmighty]

So just to be clear...everyone in this thread that is of sound mind and knows at least a little football will admit that Miami has more talent on their roster than Duke.

So did WF have more talent then FSU in 2011?

What does that have to do with anything?

Wake never has more talent than FSU just as Duke didn't have more talent than us this season.

We were out-coached in that game. That's the point that's trying to be made here.

Do you honestly feel that Duke had more talent than us this season and that's the reason we lost, or were they better prepared than we were and better coached?

Most important position QB Duke's proved to better, tougher, gamers,
RB's are better
WR we have the edge talent wise but their #1 can hang with ours.
OL push
DE theirs was better
Their MLB was better
Their saftey's are better

Should I continue.

So overall I don't think we out talent them. At least not enough to overcome an inefficient offense that couldn't convert on key 3rds downs.
2 long runs blew the game open for Duke. Go back and watch those runs and tell me if scheme or play calling was the reason why they were successful.

Lastly Cutcliffe is a heck of a coach

I disagree with almost every position you gave them the edge to. Every single recruiting service ranked our players higher on average.

According to ESPN's rankings,

QB=Morris was higher rated than the average of Boone and Connette. (48 vs. 37 and 61.)

RB=Since Dallas wasn't ranked at RB, Gus was higher rated than Thompson. (57 vs. 65.)

WR=For this particular game, Hurns,Waters, and Coley lead over McCaffrey, Crowder, and Blakeney. (103, 67 ATH, 4 vs. 233, 65 ATH, NR.)

TE=Duke's Deaver over Walford. (161 WR vs. NR.)

OL=Flowers, Feliciano, McDermott, Linder, and Henderson easily over Cofield, Harding, Skura, Tomlinson, Simmons. (57 OT, 51 OT, 5 C, 2 C, 1 OT vs. 127 OT, 58 OG, 13 OC, 65 OG, NR.)

DE=Green and Chickilo better than Foxx and Anunike. (140 DE and 5 DE vs. 138 DE and NR TE.)

DT=Porter and Pierre over Bruce and Sarmiento. (19 DT and High rank Post DE vs. 144 DE and 71 DE.)

MLB=Helton over Gaines. (31 ILB vs. NR OLB.)

OLB=Perryman and Cornelius over Brown and Cash. (28 ILB and 26 OLB vs. 88 OLB and 13 S.)

CB=Howard and Gunter over Patterson and ****rell. (1 CB and JUCO NR CB vs. 82 S and NR CB.)

S=Bush, Jenkins, Highsmith, an Rodgers II over Norman and McCarthy. (4 S, 42 S, 24 QB, and 32 CB vs. 51 S and 144 S.)

We more than enough talent and should have been able to overwhelm them. Certain things in the game prevented that from happening. Coley getting hurt, the defense quitting, stalling in the red zone, weak 3rd down performances, etc.. The 2 big runs certainly busted the onslaught open, but that's 14 points and our 30 should have been more than enough to beat Duke. Our mediocre scheme and play calling went up against elite scheme and play calling. That's ultimately why we lost.

I really appreciate your response however flawed it is. At least you tried to support your position with reasoning.

However like I said it's flawed. By your thinking Aldarius Johnson was more talented then Hurns.
But more than that its not like there were wide gaps in the position rankings in your comparisons. Given how inexact the rankings systems are and how player ratings mysteriously move up or down based on who's offering them a player ranked 40th and one ranked 50th is no real tangibly different.
LULZ at you using the average of Dukes to QB to support your position that Morris is more talent. C'mon man, talent aside, which QB's were better leaders? Which QB's willed their teams to win where ours couldn't will a cop to donut shop?

So I prefer the good ole way of judging by what I see of the players in college and college level acknowledgements they receive where Duke had 6 players on offense or defense in 1st and 2nd team ALL ACC compared to 4 for Miami.
Their Safety Cash takes a back seat to none of our safeties including Bush, who was severely limited that game due to his injury.
Both their LBs would start along side Perryman on our defense.
Anunike would start at DE for us.
Their CB ****rell would at least start at nickel.
Crowder would start in our 3 WR rotation.
Their RBs compared to our are a push.

So despite popular belief, we did not have some marked TALENT edge vs Duke.

 

[TedHendricksOffspring]

The entire purpose of recruiting services is to rank players based on talent.

We get what it means on signing day. The flaw is using the exact same rankings three years later - unchanged - and saying "see how much more talented we are". That just isn't even close to reality. We missed badly on the class that should have been leading us this year, no matter what their ranking was three years ago.

I get what you're trying to say, and I'm not even close to defending the staff, so please don't take it that way. I just think we had upper classmen who were brutal.

I'm not arguing that, but there isn't a service to re-rank the recruits this far into their college careers. The only option for comparing talent is their high school rankings. We did miss badly on the class and got inferior talent compared to Miami standards, but it was still better than Duke's class.

Chris Bello of allcanesblog.com wrote a phenomenal article that can also be found on bleacherreport.com about how the 2010 class killed us with how mediocre it was and how the decent players in the class didn't get in for whatever reason. I'm not defending the staff at all except for Coley, Barrow, and Brown. The remaining coaches get either bland reactions or calls for firing from me. But to your major point that this class was not a group of world beating studs, I couldn't agree with you more.

 

[AntwanJ306]

I'm not arguing that, but there isn't a service to re-rank the recruits this far into their college careers. The only option for comparing talent is their high school rankings.

Of course there are ways to re-evaluate the talent levels. Production, All-conference, draft status, etc. By saying that, you are suggesting that we still think Blake Bortles is a two-star, unranked quarterback, or that the only way NFL teams can evaluate talent is to look back at their high school ratings.