Feedback on 3 Stars?

[jhtheking]

Mike was a 3*.

Everyone on here is using the 247 composite to trash this class, and Mike was a 3* on that. Can't try to have it both ways

Statistics. Google that word. Giving singular examples is a complete waste of time.

 

[Problem2]

What are disengenous thing to bring up Rousseau. Go back to when he commited, no one was complaining because 1) the rest of the class already had high end 4 and 5 stars and 2) his tape looked good

No one is saying don’t take 3 stars, and I can cherry pick players who didn’t pan out too. For every Michael Jackson there’s a Larry Hope and Thomas Finnie

 

[TrueFloridian]

Marcus Crowley is a 3 star if u place his tape against some of the 4 star running backs I'm sure we can have a legitimate argument between who is better. I stopped listening to the star argument when someone from I believe from 247 came on and said the only reason Brevin wasn't a 5 star was his height but then we found Isaac Nauta and other players of similar height who were 5 stars. Only question I ask is can this player help us win a championship.

Crowley’s tape is as good as anyone’s. I wouldn’t trade him for anyone.

 

[dfagundo]

Majority of these current 3* are going to be 4* by the end of their seasons

It’s called talent evaluation

Golden would be shuffling papers in the 11th hour scrambling to find anybody with a pulse to sign here

There’s a difference

Now if these kids have garbage seasons and don’t show us anything and we keep them, that’s a different conversation to have

 

[Flynell7]

To be Honest that number 1 class in 2008 was not top 5 in star rating. They were number 1 because the had over 30 recruits

It was a big class I’ll give you that but we had 12 top 150 recruits.

 

[TotesMagotes]

You have to recruit at an elite level to win an elite level. If you're arguing against this you're arguing against overwhelming evidence.

Recruiting Matters: Why the rankings get it right

The evidence is overwhelming: Despite some obvious, anecdotal exceptions, on the whole recruiting rankings clearly are useful for creating a realistic baseline for expectations. But the narrower your focus, the less useful they will become.

The massively hyped, five-star recruit headlining your team's next recruiting class may be an irredeemable bust; he is also many times more likely than a scrappy three-star to pan out as an All-American and move on to the next level. Somewhere, an under-scouted afterthought with a chip on his shoulder will almost certainly go on to defy the odds, become a star and maybe win the Heisman Trophy. But that doesn't change the odds, which are against him becoming anything more than an obscure role player, at best. Inevitably, a team full of afterthoughts at the bottom of the rankings will defy the odds, catch fire, pull a few upsets and storm its way into a BCS bowl. But that doesn't change the odds, which are in favor of the same team dwindling on the edge of bowl eligibility. And just as inevitably, the eventual national champion will emerge from the ranks of the handful of teams that consistently come on signing day.

The exceptions prove the rule: Overwhelmingly, setting aside every other conceivable factor that determines success and failure – injuries, academics, even coaching – individual players and teams tend to perform within the very narrow range their initial recruiting rankings suggest. Some percentage of both groups will not. But when it comes to forming expectations, it should go without saying that you never want to count on being one of the anomalies.

 

[Novacane32000]

Make sure you have a 4 or 5 star QB and the same as your backup and it pretty much guarantees the Canes win 10+ every year.

That said, stars matter. Fact is, teams that have won it all the last 10 years have >50% 4-5 stars on the roster.
We are getting close and I trust CMR will get us there.

 

[Hurracanes]

Marcus Crowley is a 3 star if u place his tape against some of the 4 star running backs I'm sure we can have a legitimate argument between who is better. I stopped listening to the star argument when someone from I believe from 247 came on and said the only reason Brevin wasn't a 5 star was his height but then we found Isaac Nauta and other players of similar height who were 5 stars. Only question I ask is can this player help us win a championship.

Your argument is valid on a player basis. However, it is proven as a fact that if your recruiting class isn’t consistently in the Top10-15 you aren’t going to be a National Champion. So if stars don’t matter for certain athletes it sure as **** does in the bigger picture.

 

[Hurracanes]

David Njoku was the 851st ranked prospect in America.

I'd love to know if the 850 above him are starting in the NFL now.

He’s the exception, not the rule.

 

[SWFLSWAGG17]

Okay. And how do you ever plan on beating the elite teams (Clemson) if more than half your class is 3 stars and theirs is 4 and 5 stars?

Talent wins out, we saw how big the gap in December. Richt is a good coach, he's not a great one. And that's fine, as long as you can out talent the opponent.

We can in the Coastal this way as we still are pulling in more talent than the rest. But that's not the ultimate goal, at least it shouldn't be.

That gap was more about talented, developed bodies who started in a loaded 2 deep and worked competed to get their shot. With our numbers coming up and quality depth growing at most positions we will bridge the gap more and more for the next couple years.

 

[DerekDohrman]

for all you guys in here writing a thesis on how stars=wins.. how did you account for the variable of certain teams that take kids influencing their rating?

ie- a kid committing to bama is going to, on average, be more likely to get a rating bump than a kid committing to purdue. so you have influences outside of "talent/scouting" that weigh on a player's rating. so now a kid becomes a 4 star that would have otherwise been a 3, but due to the fact that he's at bama, he will, again on average, go on to have more success due to competing against better competition daily, being apart of a winning program with the best coaching staff money can buy, etc.

id be more curious about the statistics for player ratings/winning, for teams that havent been consistently good for awhile, but then show back up on the scene. was it the better rated players that got them there or was it finally getting a winning staff?

 

[CANEMC]

CMR's 3-stars turn into 4-star players or better. You're comparing apples to cherries.

 

[htownkidd]

People love turning exceptions into the rule.

“Ed Reed was a 2 star!!!!”
“Tavares McFadden was a 5 star & look at how that turned out!!!

But when we get a top 100 kid stars matter then or let FSU/UF get some 3* from bum****, they matter then too.

 

[jhtheking]

CMR's 3-stars turn into 4-star players or better. You're comparing apples to cherries.

I'd reckon on average, any coach's 3 stars are not drafted at a higher rate than 4 stars are across all teams. Right has generally had very good classes, which is why Georgia was generally pretty good

 

[htownkidd]

CMR's 3-stars turn into 4-star players or better. You're comparing apples to cherries.

Lol
This is just not true at all.

 

[nycane]

People love turning exceptions into the rule.

“Ed Reed was a 2 star!!!!”
“Tavares McFadden was a 5 star & look at how that turned out!!!

But when we get a top 100 kid stars matter then or let FSU/UF get some 3* from bum****, they matter then too.

matthew thomas and keith bryant. lol

 

[canesthing3]

What are disengenous thing to bring up Rousseau. Go back to when he commited, no one was complaining because 1) the rest of the class already had high end 4 and 5 stars and 2) his tape looked good

No one is saying don’t take 3 stars, and I can cherry pick players who didn’t pan out too. For every Michael Jackson there’s a Larry Hope and Thomas Finnie

We can't use Rousseau(even though our staff identified and secured him) as an example of a 3 star that our staff brought in that is panning out but you can use Hope and Finnie to support your 3 stars/our class sucks position, as if our current staff had anything to do with recruiting them.

Reaching big time.

 

[caneallday21]

This stupid *** post is going to go on and on and on and on and on

 

[Problem2]

We can't use Rousseau(even though our staff identified and secured him) as an example of a 3 star that our staff brought in that is panning out but you can use Hope and Finnie to support your 3 stars/our class sucks position, as if our current staff had anything to do with recruiting them.

Reaching big time.

I brought up Hope and Finnie because someone mentioned Jackson.

Staff didn’t have anything to do with him either

 

[DemCanesByke]

Your argument is valid on a player basis. However, it is proven as a fact that if your recruiting class isn’t consistently in the Top10-15 you aren’t going to be a National Champion. So if stars don’t matter for certain athletes it sure as **** does in the bigger picture.

But this class has an excellent chance to be Top 10-Top 15. It's July and people are acting like the class is finished. Let it play out before saying this class has too much of anything.