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DaU83 said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
DaU83 said:
NVA CANE said:
Dghustla said:
It's funny how some ppl who like Golden refuse to be critical of his coaching decisions. I like Golden but I hate his choice to keep Dno and to continue to run this crap defense. Also those numbers are irrefutable at Temple. they crap offenses and had one good year. The reason you know it's crap is because the golden apologist are still hanging their hat on what he did at temple 5 years ago. I don't care what happened at temple. All I know is right now at the U our defense sucks. Ex players know it, Current players know it, opposing coaches know it, and even the **** announcers know it.
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Golden supporters tout that 16th ranked scoring defense but what they don't tell you is that its an anomaly in Golden's tenure at Temple. They will rebut with MSU and their defensive stats. What they don't get is once the HC and Narduzzi got their defense in place, they stayed in the top ten statistically. It takes Golden 4 years to get any semblance of a competent defense. The guy simply is not a good Head Coach and incompetent at best as a Defensive mind while Dorito is laughably bad.
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i'm not sure you're 100% positive on the definition of anomaly.. Al's and D'onod's showed a trend of improvement each year they were there, i'd even venture to guess that their defense was pretty solid the year after they left too ( i'll look it up in a bit)... the point is.. an anomoly would be 6 years of defenses in the 80's then one 16th ranked defense.. there's nothing anomalous about a 16th ranked defense when you've been showing an upward trend.

12th in total D.. 3rd in scoring D in 2011.. that's a roster full of Golden D'Onof guys...


all that being said, our defense is currently terrible, but based on their track record, i think they deserve some time to get their type of on the roster.. that's going to take more than two recruiting classes.
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No, I don't think YOU understand the definition of an anomaly. Two top 25 defenses in his entire career, mixed in with nothing but mediocre to bad defenses. One of the Top 25 defenses regressed back to the 60's the very next year.
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I'm only talking about his defenses he and Donof put together as an HC Dc combo at temple.. what he did as DC under groh is not the same as him having final say in recruits, scheme etc.. like he did at temple with Donof as his DC.. that's the situation that's comparable to ours, that's the one that matters.
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Then you are even farther from your point. If we are using his time at Temple only, then the anomaly is the 1 year his defense was ranked high (although it was against horrible teams, teams who were low ranked on offense and SOS).
 
poncho0091 said:
DaU83 said:
McGahee2TheHouse said:
DaU83 said:
NVA CANE said:
Golden supporters tout that 16th ranked scoring defense but what they don't tell you is that its an anomaly in Golden's tenure at Temple. They will rebut with MSU and their defensive stats. What they don't get is once the HC and Narduzzi got their defense in place, they stayed in the top ten statistically. It takes Golden 4 years to get any semblance of a competent defense. The guy simply is not a good Head Coach and incompetent at best as a Defensive mind while Dorito is laughably bad.
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i'm not sure you're 100% positive on the definition of anomaly.. Al's and D'onod's showed a trend of improvement each year they were there, i'd even venture to guess that their defense was pretty solid the year after they left too ( i'll look it up in a bit)... the point is.. an anomoly would be 6 years of defenses in the 80's then one 16th ranked defense.. there's nothing anomalous about a 16th ranked defense when you've been showing an upward trend.

12th in total D.. 3rd in scoring D in 2011.. that's a roster full of Golden D'Onof guys...


all that being said, our defense is currently terrible, but based on their track record, i think they deserve some time to get their type of on the roster.. that's going to take more than two recruiting classes.
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No, I don't think YOU understand the definition of an anomaly. Two top 25 defenses in his entire career, mixed in with nothing but mediocre to bad defenses. One of the Top 25 defenses regressed back to the 60's the very next year.
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I'm only talking about his defenses he and Donof put together as an HC Dc combo at temple.. what he did as DC under groh is not the same as him having final say in recruits, scheme etc.. like he did at temple with Donof as his DC.. that's the situation that's comparable to ours, that's the one that matters.
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Then you are even farther from your point. If we are using his time at Temple only, then the anomaly is the 1 year his defense was ranked high (although it was against horrible teams, teams who were low ranked on offense and SOS).
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his defense showed an upward trend every Season.. his 16th ranked defense didn't come out of nowhere... it follOwed.the trend they established.
 
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RiDLer80 said:
What happened the year after that 16th ranked defense ?
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The defense improved ..I think they were 3rd.in total D 12th in scoring.. I posted the stat earlier in the thread. And yes I would give golden and donof credit for that D..just like we give credit to Butch for the 01 team
 
DaU83 said:
RiDLer80 said:
What happened the year after that 16th ranked defense ?
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The defense improved ..I think they were 3rd.in total D 12th in scoring.. I posted the stat earlier in the thread. And yes I would give golden and donof credit for that D..just like we give credit to Butch for the 01 team
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But you don't give him credit for the ones he coached at Virginia?
 
RiDLer80 said:
DaU83 said:
RiDLer80 said:
What happened the year after that 16th ranked defense ?
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The defense improved ..I think they were 3rd.in total D 12th in scoring.. I posted the stat earlier in the thread. And yes I would give golden and donof credit for that D..just like we give credit to Butch for the 01 team
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But you don't give him credit for the ones he coached at Virginia?
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Sure but that's not a comparable situation..he was a dc. . groh had final say in scheme, recruits etc... ..the time at temple is.what directly compares to what they're doing now.
 
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