Edouard Commits

[JHallCanes]

E-mail exchange with Andre Fernandez, the guy in charge of the Miami Herald's HS Football Coverage:

My e-mail:
I am very intrigued by the commitment of Alin Edouard. Seeing his listed stats in the Herald database has me a bit confused (somewhere along the lines of 900 yards passing, 9 TDs and 9 INTs) because his recruiting articles list better stats (something like 1900 yards passing and closer to 20 TDs).

Due to this, I wanted to inquire with you as to what his actual season stats were and if the Herald stats are possibly a result of Hialeah failing to update/report the full season stats.

Thanks

Andre Fernandez's response:

Fernandez, Andre
12:06 PM (0 minutes ago)


That's exactly what it was. We likely didn't go to every single Hialeah game this year and the school never followed up to update his numbers.

Thanks,
Andre

While I respect Jhall's opinion very much, I don't see anything that deserves a mention of Kirby Freeman. I also don't see how 'Chise and Hall can "love him as a prospect," but in the same breath talk about these severe reservations. You either love him as a prospect or you're just curious about what he can become.

To distinguish, I don't see anything in his throwing motion and balance to tell me he's going to have a problem improving his accuracy issues. I also didn't see anything in highlights to suggest the type of problems Freeman had: balance, scattered, lack of poise.

Obviously, we all want to see him turn it up a notch during his senior season and really refine his game. I doubt there's a Cane fan who wishes otherwise.

My iron brother, you are confusing me with someone else I think. I have zero reservations about this kid. The stat thing makes way more sense because simply he jumps off the screen in those highlights. I even questioned the accuracy part because it flat out looks like he has plenty of accuracy for a wiry young kid.

Kirby Freeman never ever ever entered my mind.

****, my bad. That's an offensive attribution. Must've just been C4life that mentioned Freeman. I read that in one of the layered quotes.

No worries man, no worries.

I mentioned in one of the other threads that Chad Simmons says Edouard will likely be a 4 star once Scout expands their rankings. Getting a PSU offer and committing to us is certainly going to up his interest so I expect the kid to be pretty highly regarded when all is said and done. Not a national 5 star type with offers from across the country, but he looks like a kid who is going to blow the **** up in the summer and senior year. Just hope he is willing to stick by his commitment.

 

[Coach Macho]

Can't put too much stock into a high school QB's stats. For all we know he may be throwing to a group of bad WR's. He may have an OC that doesn't run an efficient passing game. Who knows?

 

[Continuum]

Not a Miami fan but I keep up with recruiting in the state of Florida.

This kid's tape impressed me a lot. Baller.

 

[The Franchise]

What I gathered is Mike just doesnt think he is Miami good so he assumed we wouldnt go after him

Right. I figured. But, why did he say he wasn't good? Accuracy? What is it? I'll put it this way: Edouard is 15 levels above Stephen Morris as a HS QB.

I love Allen Edward, but perhaps some guys are a little skeptical of his sub 50% completion percentage and his 9TD/9INT poor numbers. I'm all about potential, but he had a really nice WR and still put up bad numbers. It's going to be fun watching him this year to see if he develops and his production sky rockets kind of like what happened with Bob Marve in HS.

Im with ya here bruh. I love this kid's potential, and he's a great athlete, but I want to see him take it up a notch this year. The completion rate is not too hot, would be nice to see him have a "breakout" year.

Again, Im very pleased with this, but a lot of this kid's assets remind me of Kirby Freeman. Big tough kid, very fast, great athlete, could wing the ball a mile, but accuracy was suspect in HS, and it never got any better.

Im hoping this kid really matures and improves on his accuracy this year.

Where is the accuracy issue coming from?

From his poor completion percentage.

 

[The Franchise]

^ That is why gcane is one of the best posters out there.

He liked my post the other day and I felt similar to what Gotye and Kimbra felt when they won a grammy and Prince said "Oh, I like this song", then announced their names

Yikes. That was really ***.

 

[The Franchise]

E-mail exchange with Andre Fernandez, the guy in charge of the Miami Herald's HS Football Coverage:

My e-mail:
I am very intrigued by the commitment of Alin Edouard. Seeing his listed stats in the Herald database has me a bit confused (somewhere along the lines of 900 yards passing, 9 TDs and 9 INTs) because his recruiting articles list better stats (something like 1900 yards passing and closer to 20 TDs).

Due to this, I wanted to inquire with you as to what his actual season stats were and if the Herald stats are possibly a result of Hialeah failing to update/report the full season stats.

Thanks

Andre Fernandez's response:

Fernandez, Andre
12:06 PM (0 minutes ago)


That's exactly what it was. We likely didn't go to every single Hialeah game this year and the school never followed up to update his numbers.

Thanks,
Andre

While I respect Jhall's and C4's opinions, I don't see anything that deserves a mention of Kirby Freeman. I also don't see how 'Chise, C4 and Hall can "love him as a prospect," but in the same breath talk about these severe reservations. You either love him as a prospect or you're just curious about what he can become because of his physical tools.

To distinguish, I don't see anything in his throwing motion and balance to tell me he's going to have a problem improving his accuracy issues. I also didn't see anything in highlights to suggest the type of problems Freeman had: balance, scattered, lack of poise. Kirby Freeman could throw a rhythm ditch as a College senior. This kid does it with ease as a HS junior.

Obviously, we all want to see him turn it up a notch during his senior season and really refine his game. I doubt there's a Cane fan who wishes otherwise.

I never compared him to Kirby Freeman. I don't like that comparison at all.

I appreciate your view of his footwork and your concern with me being incapable of loving him as a prospect and still having concerns with his accuracy and production. Unlike you, I haven't been able to conclusively determine that his accuracy issues are or are not easily fixable, so I don't think it's all that absurd to question that area of his game and still think he's a tremendous prospect based on everything else he brings to the table. If he, in fact, produced better than 9/9 ratio, then that alleviates some of my concerns about his production.

Let's not forget that he hasn't even played his senior season yet. Bob Marve improved dramatically from one year to the next in HS, and I'm sure others have too. As for Olsen, I'm not one who sees him as a deity either. I question his lack of production, his seemingly weak arm, and the way he reacted during the All Star game when things didn't go his way. I didn't care for the way he handled himself in that game. I do, however, also welcome him to UM and hope that with a year or two of apprenticeship he can compete for the starting gig and be a very good QB.

 

[The Franchise]

Can't put too much stock into a high school QB's stats. For all we know he may be throwing to a group of bad WR's. He may have an OC that doesn't run an efficient passing game. Who knows?

I think he was actually throwing to a very good WR. Isn't the coveted RB Bussey on that team too? It's true that stats don't tell the whole picture, and before I get lumped into some dumb message board black/white no shades of grey **** because I don't think Allen Edward walks on water just yet, let me be clear to say once again that I love the dude.

 

[LuCane]

E-mail exchange with Andre Fernandez, the guy in charge of the Miami Herald's HS Football Coverage:

My e-mail:
I am very intrigued by the commitment of Alin Edouard. Seeing his listed stats in the Herald database has me a bit confused (somewhere along the lines of 900 yards passing, 9 TDs and 9 INTs) because his recruiting articles list better stats (something like 1900 yards passing and closer to 20 TDs).

Due to this, I wanted to inquire with you as to what his actual season stats were and if the Herald stats are possibly a result of Hialeah failing to update/report the full season stats.

Thanks

Andre Fernandez's response:

Fernandez, Andre
12:06 PM (0 minutes ago)


That's exactly what it was. We likely didn't go to every single Hialeah game this year and the school never followed up to update his numbers.

Thanks,
Andre

While I respect Jhall's and C4's opinions, I don't see anything that deserves a mention of Kirby Freeman. I also don't see how 'Chise, C4 and Hall can "love him as a prospect," but in the same breath talk about these severe reservations. You either love him as a prospect or you're just curious about what he can become because of his physical tools.

To distinguish, I don't see anything in his throwing motion and balance to tell me he's going to have a problem improving his accuracy issues. I also didn't see anything in highlights to suggest the type of problems Freeman had: balance, scattered, lack of poise. Kirby Freeman could throw a rhythm ditch as a College senior. This kid does it with ease as a HS junior.

Obviously, we all want to see him turn it up a notch during his senior season and really refine his game. I doubt there's a Cane fan who wishes otherwise.

I never compared him to Kirby Freeman. I don't like that comparison at all.

I appreciate your view of his footwork and your concern with me being incapable of loving him as a prospect and still having concerns with his accuracy and production. Unlike you, I haven't been able to conclusively determine that his accuracy issues are or are not easily fixable, so I don't think it's all that absurd to question that area of his game and still think he's a tremendous prospect based on everything else he brings to the table. If he, in fact, produced better than 9/9 ratio, then that alleviates some of my concerns about his production.

Let's not forget that he hasn't even played his senior season yet. Bob Marve improved dramatically from one year to the next in HS, and I'm sure others have too. As for Olsen, I'm not one who sees him as a deity either. I question his lack of production, his seemingly weak arm, and the way he reacted during the All Star game when things didn't go his way. I didn't care for the way he handled himself in that game. I do, however, also welcome him to UM and hope that with a year or two of apprenticeship he can compete for the starting gig and be a very good QB.

Never attributed the Kirby comparison to you. I mistakenly did so to JHall, when it just flowed from his quote in a response by C4.

I don't have a particular concern about your more conservative stance other than I didn't really understand it. You simultaneously said you love him as a prospect and then had some reservations that indicated something less than love. In other words, you needed more proof from him. So, to me, it seemed contradictory. Your explanation above seems to clarify it a bit more. In any case, I guess my POV has been that, based on what is available to see and what has been seen of him live (his team smoked my HS, for example), I question the validity or relevance of the stats more than I question his ability to overcome accuracy issues.

I wasn't ever a huge Bobby Marve guy. I drove the Jacory Bus down a cliff. That guy disappointed the **** out of me. He somehow...got worse. It was hard to watch.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

E-mail exchange with Andre Fernandez, the guy in charge of the Miami Herald's HS Football Coverage:

My e-mail:
I am very intrigued by the commitment of Alin Edouard. Seeing his listed stats in the Herald database has me a bit confused (somewhere along the lines of 900 yards passing, 9 TDs and 9 INTs) because his recruiting articles list better stats (something like 1900 yards passing and closer to 20 TDs).

Due to this, I wanted to inquire with you as to what his actual season stats were and if the Herald stats are possibly a result of Hialeah failing to update/report the full season stats.

Thanks

Andre Fernandez's response:

Fernandez, Andre
12:06 PM (0 minutes ago)


That's exactly what it was. We likely didn't go to every single Hialeah game this year and the school never followed up to update his numbers.

Thanks,
Andre

While I respect Jhall's and C4's opinions, I don't see anything that deserves a mention of Kirby Freeman. I also don't see how 'Chise, C4 and Hall can "love him as a prospect," but in the same breath talk about these severe reservations. You either love him as a prospect or you're just curious about what he can become because of his physical tools.

To distinguish, I don't see anything in his throwing motion and balance to tell me he's going to have a problem improving his accuracy issues. I also didn't see anything in highlights to suggest the type of problems Freeman had: balance, scattered, lack of poise. Kirby Freeman could throw a rhythm ditch as a College senior. This kid does it with ease as a HS junior.

Obviously, we all want to see him turn it up a notch during his senior season and really refine his game. I doubt there's a Cane fan who wishes otherwise.

Whoa whoa whoa Lu. Lets take a step back for a minute. Im NOT saying this kid is Kirby Freeman. I simply mentioned Kirby because of similar circumstances. Kirby was a big, strong, athletic kid with a cannon for an arm, who had some accuracy issues. Everyone assumed that with some coaching at the next level, he was going to blow up and live up to his "blue chip" rankings and potential. ADMITTEDLY, I was under a FALSE impression on Edouard based on the mediocre stats that were being repored, the 900 yards and 9/9 ration, and sub 50% completion. Now that its been clarified that he actually threw for close to 1900 yards and 20 TDs, I feel a bit better about his productivity.

Im not saying he's Kirby Freeman in style, or in what his future holds. Simply saying that his POTENTIAL is heralded in similar fashion to Kirby's, and that didnt work out too well for us. My concerns were predicated more on what I THOUGHT looked like pretty mediocre productivity and accuracy, despite his natural athleticism. When thinking of that, Kirby is the first guy that came to mind, so did Kenny Kelly, though KK was much more productive in HS overall. Some have used Morris as a comparison, but I dont see that at all.

Overall I LIKE the kid. I think with the roster we have, he is a GREAT pickup. I DO think he's more of a project, because he will either grow into a BEAST here with his potential, or he will be a big disappointment, but I think the kid was a very good pick up for us. I think with a couple of years of coaching at the next level, he really could be a superstar here. Im pleased with us taking him, I just have some concerns, though not as much as when I thought the kid only threw for 900 yards and had a 9/9 TD-INT ratio.

 

[Problem2]

Tennessee offered him

 

[PUNCICANE]

GOT OFFERED BY TENNESSEE , BOSTON COLLEGE && PENN STATE .. #GODISGOOD
6:27pm - 15 Feb 13

 

[NorthFlaCane]

GOT OFFERED BY TENNESSEE , BOSTON COLLEGE && PENN STATE .. #GODISGOOD
6:27pm - 15 Feb 13

Did Penn St give the offer to his coach or did they roll the offer up and attempt to shove it up his ***?

 

[The Franchise]

GOT OFFERED BY TENNESSEE , BOSTON COLLEGE && PENN STATE .. #GODISGOOD
6:27pm - 15 Feb 13

Did Penn St give the offer to his coach or did they roll the offer up and attempt to shove it up his ***?

LULZ. They sent it by carrier snake.

 

[DutchieFlair]

C4L,

With all due respect, please refrain from terming any instruction that Kirbonbyl may have received while on the Miami campus as "coaching".

 

[scrantoncane]

I haven't been back to Canestime in a long time. Can someone explain why Mike thought this would be a kid we just wouldn't recruit? What did I miss?

What I gathered is Mike just doesnt think he is Miami good so he assumed we wouldnt go after him

Right. I figured. But, why does he say he isn't good enough? "Probably a Div 1 kid" is a heavy comment. Accuracy? What is it? I'll put it this way: Edouard is 15 levels above Stephen Morris as a HS QB.

Care to expand on that? I don't particularly remember Morris' high school film, but watching that film of Edouard I came away unimpressed. He certainly looks like a good athlete, fast with good burst, but I saw nothing that makes me think he can play QB at a high level at the next level.

The throwing mechanics are awful. Most of the film is him taking off out of the pocket and outrunning what appears to be outmatched defenders. I didn't see one throw (admittedly only watched half the film, will watch rest later) that showed the good type of arm strength (out pattern or comeback pattern). Yes, he launched it 50 yards a few times, but looked like questionable decisions and average accuracy every time he did.

I think his future is at slot receiver, not QB.

 

[Coach Macho]

I haven't been back to Canestime in a long time. Can someone explain why Mike thought this would be a kid we just wouldn't recruit? What did I miss?

What I gathered is Mike just doesnt think he is Miami good so he assumed we wouldnt go after him

Right. I figured. But, why does he say he isn't good enough? "Probably a Div 1 kid" is a heavy comment. Accuracy? What is it? I'll put it this way: Edouard is 15 levels above Stephen Morris as a HS QB.

Care to expand on that? I don't particularly remember Morris' high school film, but watching that film of Edouard I came away unimpressed. He certainly looks like a good athlete, fast with good burst, but I saw nothing that makes me think he can play QB at a high level at the next level.

The throwing mechanics are awful. Most of the film is him taking off out of the pocket and outrunning what appears to be outmatched defenders. I didn't see one throw (admittedly only watched half the film, will watch rest later) that showed the good type of arm strength (out pattern or comeback pattern). Yes, he launched it 50 yards a few times, but looked like questionable decisions and average accuracy every time he did.

I think his future is at slot receiver, not QB.

My exact same thoughts after watching his film.

 

[jerzeycane]

I haven't been back to Canestime in a long time. Can someone explain why Mike thought this would be a kid we just wouldn't recruit? What did I miss?

What I gathered is Mike just doesnt think he is Miami good so he assumed we wouldnt go after him

Right. I figured. But, why does he say he isn't good enough? "Probably a Div 1 kid" is a heavy comment. Accuracy? What is it? I'll put it this way: Edouard is 15 levels above Stephen Morris as a HS QB.

Care to expand on that? I don't particularly remember Morris' high school film, but watching that film of Edouard I came away unimpressed. He certainly looks like a good athlete, fast with good burst, but I saw nothing that makes me think he can play QB at a high level at the next level.

The throwing mechanics are awful. Most of the film is him taking off out of the pocket and outrunning what appears to be outmatched defenders. I didn't see one throw (admittedly only watched half the film, will watch rest later) that showed the good type of arm strength (out pattern or comeback pattern). Yes, he launched it 50 yards a few times, but looked like questionable decisions and average accuracy every time he did.

I think his future is at slot receiver, not QB.

I and Bill O'Brien disagree with you

My opinion holding more weight of course

 

[LuCane]

I haven't been back to Canestime in a long time. Can someone explain why Mike thought this would be a kid we just wouldn't recruit? What did I miss?

What I gathered is Mike just doesnt think he is Miami good so he assumed we wouldnt go after him

Right. I figured. But, why does he say he isn't good enough? "Probably a Div 1 kid" is a heavy comment. Accuracy? What is it? I'll put it this way: Edouard is 15 levels above Stephen Morris as a HS QB.

Care to expand on that? I don't particularly remember Morris' high school film, but watching that film of Edouard I came away unimpressed. He certainly looks like a good athlete, fast with good burst, but I saw nothing that makes me think he can play QB at a high level at the next level.

The throwing mechanics are awful. Most of the film is him taking off out of the pocket and outrunning what appears to be outmatched defenders. I didn't see one throw (admittedly only watched half the film, will watch rest later) that showed the good type of arm strength (out pattern or comeback pattern). Yes, he launched it 50 yards a few times, but looked like questionable decisions and average accuracy every time he did.

I think his future is at slot receiver, not QB.

My exact same thoughts after watching his film.

If you got a chance to see Stephen Morris in HS, you'd have never thought the guy would be a multiple year starter here. He was erratic. His footwork was all over the place. He didn't produce at times and against wildly inferior competition (like my old HS). When Kayvon Webster left, he couldn't efficiently spread the ball around. He couldn't get on balance or in rhythm to make throws. His release wasn't consistent. He was basically a very raw prospect with an insanely strong arm.

Personally, I have no idea what you guys are seeing re: "awful" mechanics with Edouard. You'd have to show me, I guess. I'm fairly obsessive about QB releases and mechanics. I think they make all of the difference between finding a window and not. I'm open to learn something from what you guys are seeing that I don't.

 

[valid]

What I gathered is Mike just doesnt think he is Miami good so he assumed we wouldnt go after him

Right. I figured. But, why does he say he isn't good enough? "Probably a Div 1 kid" is a heavy comment. Accuracy? What is it? I'll put it this way: Edouard is 15 levels above Stephen Morris as a HS QB.

Care to expand on that? I don't particularly remember Morris' high school film, but watching that film of Edouard I came away unimpressed. He certainly looks like a good athlete, fast with good burst, but I saw nothing that makes me think he can play QB at a high level at the next level.

The throwing mechanics are awful. Most of the film is him taking off out of the pocket and outrunning what appears to be outmatched defenders. I didn't see one throw (admittedly only watched half the film, will watch rest later) that showed the good type of arm strength (out pattern or comeback pattern). Yes, he launched it 50 yards a few times, but looked like questionable decisions and average accuracy every time he did.

I think his future is at slot receiver, not QB.

My exact same thoughts after watching his film.

If you got a chance to see Stephen Morris in HS, you'd have never thought the guy would be a multiple year starter here. He was erratic. His footwork was all over the place. He didn't produce at times and against wildly inferior competition (like my old HS). When Kayvon Webster left, he couldn't efficiently spread the ball around. He couldn't get on balance or in rhythm to make throws. His release wasn't consistent. He was basically a very raw prospect with an insanely strong arm.

Personally, I have no idea what you guys are seeing re: "awful" mechanics with Edouard. You'd have to show me, I guess. I'm fairly obsessive about QB releases and mechanics. I think they make all of the difference between finding a window and not. I'm open to learn something from what you guys are seeing that I don't.

They will have to show me also.

 

[jerzeycane]

Those saying that Alin has awful mechanics have to show me what they see here

[video=youtube;etP_rWaUv24]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etP_rWaUv24[/video]