Dwayne Hoilett

[fincane]

It's not about offering a camp kid OVER somebody else. It's the fact that we'll offer a questionable kid that camped but not offer a local kid who excelled on the field.

I can't tell you all the kids who were passed up for camp kids cause I don't know what Miami's board looked like. Just off the top of my head...

Skai Moore wasn't offered.

Danny Dilliard, Larry Hope and Nate Dortch got offers over Fabian Moreau.

Dennis Turner, Nigel Bethel and Ryan Mayes got offers over Juwan Dowels.

Sean White and Wade Freebeck weren't offered but we offered Alin Edouard and Malik Rosier.


Now obviously many of those kids haven't played a down of college football yet so we don't know right or wrong for another couple years, but if I'm extending offers then I'm giving them to the kids who EXCELLED down here not just some kid who looked good running around in shorts.

Malik Rosier wasn't a camp offer. Coley liked him so he offered him. He targeted him in early 2013. He excelled on the field as a dual threat QB. They got their headliner in Kaaya later on. I don't see Freebeck and White as clear upgrades. I actually think Rosier has more physical tools. The trump card for you will probably be the offer list I assume.

You don't think Rosier is a questionable offer? A bit of a reach?

You'd take a kid from Alabama who has offers from the likes of Arkansas State over two local kids who have offers from Auburn, Florida, Vanderbilt, etc?

Who cares if he is from Alabama? South Florida isn't where great QBs are born. I've seen all three and I don't think the two are clearly better. One brings an element the others don't bring. You have a duplication with Kaaya, Freebeck and White. They got their traditional QB and targeted a dual threat it appears.

That's your excuse? They were targeting DIFFERENT TYPES of QB's?

Please.

How 'bout you just sign the best ****in' QB's in your backyard?


"Ehh we're gonna pass up the best QB in South Florida (White) because we already have a QB with his skillset. Let's go get some unknown kid from Alabama."


Lmao. Really?


So what if the QB's you sign have the same skillset! Who the **** said you have to have a roster full of QB's with all different skillsets. What's wrong with having a roster full of really good Pro Style QB's? What happens if White goes to Auburn and balls out? We say "Oh it's okay. We already had a QB with his skillset when he was coming out of high school." <--LOL

Its not an excuse. I like you don't have an idea of what their board look likes. Coley has targeted dual threat guys since he took over. That may be a reason why they wanted him. I don't know. But what does the " your own backyard" have to do with anything? South Florida doesn't continuously produce great QB. They liked Rosier better and nothing about his tape says Freebeck and White are better. SEC schools offered the other two. I get it. That wins every discussion.

 

[Coach Macho]

Malik Rosier wasn't a camp offer. Coley liked him so he offered him. He targeted him in early 2013. He excelled on the field as a dual threat QB. They got their headliner in Kaaya later on. I don't see Freebeck and White as clear upgrades. I actually think Rosier has more physical tools. The trump card for you will probably be the offer list I assume.

You don't think Rosier is a questionable offer? A bit of a reach?

You'd take a kid from Alabama who has offers from the likes of Arkansas State over two local kids who have offers from Auburn, Florida, Vanderbilt, etc?

Who cares if he is from Alabama? South Florida isn't where great QBs are born. I've seen all three and I don't think the two are clearly better. One brings an element the others don't bring. You have a duplication with Kaaya, Freebeck and White. They got their traditional QB and targeted a dual threat it appears.

That's your excuse? They were targeting DIFFERENT TYPES of QB's?

Please.

How 'bout you just sign the best ****in' QB's in your backyard?


"Ehh we're gonna pass up the best QB in South Florida (White) because we already have a QB with his skillset. Let's go get some unknown kid from Alabama."


Lmao. Really?


So what if the QB's you sign have the same skillset! Who the **** said you have to have a roster full of QB's with all different skillsets. What's wrong with having a roster full of really good Pro Style QB's? What happens if White goes to Auburn and balls out? We say "Oh it's okay. We already had a QB with his skillset when he was coming out of high school." <--LOL

Its not an excuse. I like you don't have an idea of what they're board look likes. Coley has targeted dual threat guys since he took over. That may be a reason why they wanted him. I don't know. But what does the " your own backyard" have to do with anything? South Florida doesn't continuously produce great QB. They liked Rosier better and nothing about his tape says Freebeck and White are better. SEC schools offered the other two. I get it. That wins every discussion.

I think White proved that he's among the elite QB's in the country.

 

[fincane]

You're reaching.

Armbrister? Yawn.
Eddie Johnson's career lasted like 23 minutes. We don't know how good he was.
Gunter? Yawn. Moreau ****es on Gunter and they were in the same class.
Figs ain't done **** yet.

All we know about Figs and Eddie Johnson is that they are/were good athletes. They haven't done anything yet.

Moreau doesn't **** on Gunter. Moreau probably has more physical tools when the combine rolls around but Gunter has been more productive.

Yeah if you look at interceptions as the only measure of production.

They basically only play two coverages at UCLA, Cover-3 and man. Neither one is gonna help a CB register a ton of picks. If picks are your measure then I don't know what to tell you. Watch a UCLA game and you'll notice that teams rarely try Moreau's side.

How about passes defensed? Passes broken up? Gunter has done more. They aren't far off in tackles either. I think Moreau wound up with 5 more. You're exaggerating how much better he has been.

How 'bout Moreau's never played CB in his life and he just started 12 games on a team who would mop the floor with Miami?

I'd say that in itself is accomplishing more than Gunter.

And where is Gunter going from here vs. where Moreau is going?

Who cares what UCLA would do to Miami? You use that awful argument alot. Alabama would kick our *** too. Doesn't meant Coley would get no time there. Duke couldn't play there either I'm guessing?

Moreau could have all the physical tools to be a top 10 pick. If I put the two resumes side by side. Gunter wins. Project all you want.

And lets not act like they weren't looking for immediate help at the position. As opposed to a high school running back who would have to transition. You should be going after the Antonio Crawford signing. He isn't from south Florida either so it fits the argument and they were both high school seniors at the time. He was a late pickup too.

 

[fincane]

You don't think Rosier is a questionable offer? A bit of a reach?

You'd take a kid from Alabama who has offers from the likes of Arkansas State over two local kids who have offers from Auburn, Florida, Vanderbilt, etc?

Who cares if he is from Alabama? South Florida isn't where great QBs are born. I've seen all three and I don't think the two are clearly better. One brings an element the others don't bring. You have a duplication with Kaaya, Freebeck and White. They got their traditional QB and targeted a dual threat it appears.

That's your excuse? They were targeting DIFFERENT TYPES of QB's?

Please.

How 'bout you just sign the best ****in' QB's in your backyard?


"Ehh we're gonna pass up the best QB in South Florida (White) because we already have a QB with his skillset. Let's go get some unknown kid from Alabama."


Lmao. Really?


So what if the QB's you sign have the same skillset! Who the **** said you have to have a roster full of QB's with all different skillsets. What's wrong with having a roster full of really good Pro Style QB's? What happens if White goes to Auburn and balls out? We say "Oh it's okay. We already had a QB with his skillset when he was coming out of high school." <--LOL

Its not an excuse. I like you don't have an idea of what they're board look likes. Coley has targeted dual threat guys since he took over. That may be a reason why they wanted him. I don't know. But what does the " your own backyard" have to do with anything? South Florida doesn't continuously produce great QB. They liked Rosier better and nothing about his tape says Freebeck and White are better. SEC schools offered the other two. I get it. That wins every discussion.

I think White proved that he's among the elite QB's in the country.

Yeah Kevin Olsen did that too. How is that working out for us right now?

 

[Coach Macho]

Who cares if he is from Alabama? South Florida isn't where great QBs are born. I've seen all three and I don't think the two are clearly better. One brings an element the others don't bring. You have a duplication with Kaaya, Freebeck and White. They got their traditional QB and targeted a dual threat it appears.

That's your excuse? They were targeting DIFFERENT TYPES of QB's?

Please.

How 'bout you just sign the best ****in' QB's in your backyard?


"Ehh we're gonna pass up the best QB in South Florida (White) because we already have a QB with his skillset. Let's go get some unknown kid from Alabama."


Lmao. Really?


So what if the QB's you sign have the same skillset! Who the **** said you have to have a roster full of QB's with all different skillsets. What's wrong with having a roster full of really good Pro Style QB's? What happens if White goes to Auburn and balls out? We say "Oh it's okay. We already had a QB with his skillset when he was coming out of high school." <--LOL

Its not an excuse. I like you don't have an idea of what they're board look likes. Coley has targeted dual threat guys since he took over. That may be a reason why they wanted him. I don't know. But what does the " your own backyard" have to do with anything? South Florida doesn't continuously produce great QB. They liked Rosier better and nothing about his tape says Freebeck and White are better. SEC schools offered the other two. I get it. That wins every discussion.

I think White proved that he's among the elite QB's in the country.

Yeah Kevin Olsen did that too. How is that working out for us right now?

So that means you don't offer White?

And I'd say it's a little early to write off Olsen. I wouldn't use him for your argument.

 

[Coach Macho]

Who cares if he is from Alabama? South Florida isn't where great QBs are born. I've seen all three and I don't think the two are clearly better. One brings an element the others don't bring. You have a duplication with Kaaya, Freebeck and White. They got their traditional QB and targeted a dual threat it appears.

That's your excuse? They were targeting DIFFERENT TYPES of QB's?

Please.

How 'bout you just sign the best ****in' QB's in your backyard?


"Ehh we're gonna pass up the best QB in South Florida (White) because we already have a QB with his skillset. Let's go get some unknown kid from Alabama."


Lmao. Really?


So what if the QB's you sign have the same skillset! Who the **** said you have to have a roster full of QB's with all different skillsets. What's wrong with having a roster full of really good Pro Style QB's? What happens if White goes to Auburn and balls out? We say "Oh it's okay. We already had a QB with his skillset when he was coming out of high school." <--LOL

Its not an excuse. I like you don't have an idea of what they're board look likes. Coley has targeted dual threat guys since he took over. That may be a reason why they wanted him. I don't know. But what does the " your own backyard" have to do with anything? South Florida doesn't continuously produce great QB. They liked Rosier better and nothing about his tape says Freebeck and White are better. SEC schools offered the other two. I get it. That wins every discussion.

I think White proved that he's among the elite QB's in the country.

Yeah Kevin Olsen did that too. How is that working out for us right now?

Moreau doesn't **** on Gunter. Moreau probably has more physical tools when the combine rolls around but Gunter has been more productive.

Yeah if you look at interceptions as the only measure of production.

They basically only play two coverages at UCLA, Cover-3 and man. Neither one is gonna help a CB register a ton of picks. If picks are your measure then I don't know what to tell you. Watch a UCLA game and you'll notice that teams rarely try Moreau's side.

How about passes defensed? Passes broken up? Gunter has done more. They aren't far off in tackles either. I think Moreau wound up with 5 more. You're exaggerating how much better he has been.

How 'bout Moreau's never played CB in his life and he just started 12 games on a team who would mop the floor with Miami?

I'd say that in itself is accomplishing more than Gunter.

And where is Gunter going from here vs. where Moreau is going?

Who cares what UCLA would do to Miami? You use that awful argument alot. Alabama would kick our *** too. Doesn't meant Coley would get no time there. Duke couldn't play there either I'm guessing?

Moreau could have all the physical tools to be a top 10 pick. If I put the two resumes side by side. Gunter wins. Project all you want.

And lets not act like they weren't looking for immediate help at the position. As opposed to a high school running back who would have to transition. You should be going after the Antonio Crawford signing. He isn't from south Florida either so it fits the argument and they were both high school seniors at the time. He was a late pickup too.

You're getting all tied up in this Gunter vs. Moreau thing. You're forgetting that we offered Dillard, Hope and Dortch instead of Moreau as well.

So let's say i give you Gunter. Would you rather have Moreau on your CB depth chart or Hope and Dortch? Moreau on your RB depth chart or Dillard?

^ My point proven.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

WildCat, again, your one example doesn't prove your point.
Like I said coaches at all level miss on kids. Ok, Golden missed on Moreau. Happens all the time. FSU, UF and all of the State school also missed out him.. Happened also with the LB that ended up at Buffalo and becoming a top 10 pick this past draft.
Heck the best of the best all missed out on Tom Brady coming out of college. Not sure why you keep harping on the same example.

 

[Coach Macho]

WildCat, again, your one example doesn't prove your point.
Like I said coaches at all level miss on kids. Ok, Golden missed on Moreau. Happens all the time. FSU, UF and all of the State school also missed out him.. Happened also with the LB that ended up at Buffalo and becoming a top 10 pick this past draft.
Heck the best of the best all missed out on Tom Brady coming out of college. Not sure why you keep harping on the same example.

Miss on Moreau?

THEY DIDN'T EVEN LOOK AT HIM! Didn't even inquire. That's the alarming part. The difference between Miami and FSU/UF is that Moreau was in Miami's backyard. But they go across the state and offer Dillard, offer Dortch, Gunter and Hope. Really? LOL

They missed on Skai Moore.

And IMO they missed on Dowels and McKenzie as well. Now, obviously it's too early to tell if those were "misses" but all I need to do is look at who they offered INSTEAD of Dowels and I'm inclined to believe that we'll know how this ends up.

And offering Rosier over Sean White? LOL

They haven't succeeded on any of their evaluations thus far except for that no-brainers.

 

[The Franchise]

Wildcat owning.