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DT Tywone Malone enters Portal

mossmadness said:
Is the staff overreacting to it?
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No. but I don’t think the staff is desperately trying to get a DT either. I believe they absolutely want one. But like if we don’t get one It’s not like we are gunna be bad there. I think the biggest reason we need one would be depth an just wanting a big Nose…
 
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Wario Cristobum said:
Jason Taylor just recently became a college position coach. He is literally one of the best DEs in the history of the NFL. He gets a couple cycles to prove himself. Salavea , however, already had a reputation for being a poor DT recruiter and teacher at the college level. So far he has only reinforced that narrative. I'm sure Cristobal will stick with him because he's loyal to those loyal to him, but it's going to be to the detriment of the program because DT recruiting is real bad. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Now if I'm wrong and he crushes DT recruiting next cycle, I promise to FedEx him a box of Leonard's Malasadas as an apology.
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Salave’a is also responsible for anyone like the Mauigoa we have landed and will land in the future - make no mistake.
 
Wario Cristobum said:
Jason Taylor just recently became a college position coach. He is literally one of the best DEs in the history of the NFL. He gets a couple cycles to prove himself. Salavea , however, already had a reputation for being a poor DT recruiter and teacher at the college level. So far he has only reinforced that narrative. I'm sure Cristobal will stick with him because he's loyal to those loyal to him, but it's going to be to the detriment of the program because DT recruiting is real bad. Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Now if I'm wrong and he crushes DT recruiting next cycle, I promise to FedEx him a box of Leonard's Malasadas as an apology.
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So you're saying Taylor gets a N/A this cycle, and Joe will get credit for the DT's we bring in. Got it! You just wrote a perfect example of the point I'm trying to make, bud.

Samoa is not in Hawaii, btw. ;)
 
CanesSkins26 said:
Cool. How many of them have actually committed?
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Zero. We also have the same amount signed as the entire SEC combined so far. See, I did a thing too.

It's May, but its going well, right? It's a numbers game and there is a ton of positivity and interest from big time guys, more than we've seen in decades. If you can't enjoy that for now, well, god bless ya. I didn't even name anywhere near all of them. But you know this.

Guess who we did sign and have enrolled already? Two Poly bros, one that is probably the best LB we've had on the roster in years and the other that's the biggest and more promising football recruit we've signed in a long, long time. I doubt either comes without Joe.

None of this means Joe is gods gift to recruiting or that we will even be here forever, but its wild to watch the mental gymnastics people do. Joe is DL coach. Jason is DL coach. They don't split recruiting up by inside/outside. You can't blame one for portal DT recruiting while absolving the other. It's bull****.

And btw, if we're all going to be intellectually honest, Mario gets an assist on everyone that signs. He's beyond hands on.
 
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Cryptical Envelopment said:
So you're saying Taylor gets a N/A this cycle, and Joe will get credit for the DT's we bring in. Got it! You just wrote a perfect example of the point I'm trying to make, bud.

Samoa is not in Hawaii, btw. ;)
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What does him being from Samoa have to do with anything? Malasadas are great. Everyone loves them. Are you insinuating he can't like them because he isn't from Hawaii? Also, you may not be aware of this, but there are lots of Polynesians in Hawaii and Salavea was the primary recruiter for Polynesian kids in Hawaii and Samoa when he was at WSU and Oregon, so I'm guessing he's visited there once or twice and tried the food.

As for this nugget of rationalization:

Cryptical Envelopment said:
Jason is DL coach. They don't split recruiting up by inside/outside. You can't blame one for portal DT recruiting while absolving the other. It's bull****.
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Taylor has been an on-field coach for around 10 weeks. He was extremely limited in how he could contact players before then (plus it wasn't, you know, his actual job as an analyst). So if you are really trying to say they should share equal blame for the misses last year in the portal and recruiting, and the misses this year in the portal , you are engaging in some legendary mental gymnastics. If we end up landing a bunch of elite DTs next season, I'll be happy to work with you to figure of how to allocate credit. For now though, this is primarily on Salavea.

And also, before you try and blame Rod Wright in another amusing attempt to defend Big Joe, Wright was specifically the DE coach, so you can't try to claim he shares blame with Salavea too on the lack of depth at DT .


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Thought about this for a couple hours, and I'll go ahead and concede. Brings me no joy to point out that Cristobal is turning into what could have been a 2-3 year rebuild (to turn into respectable program) , into a 5-7 year rebuild with his bad hires and bad retention decisions. He may indeed get us to the mountain top eventually (and I sincerely hope he does) , but I think he's going to take considerably longer to get there than it could have due to self inflicted wounds (like deliberately choosing a pro style OC in year 1 instead of a spread O, even though it should have been obvious which was better for TVD). We have empirical proof he has made at least one absolutely atrocious hire (Gattis). I think he is also making a mistake keeping Addae and Handlebar Mustachio as his S&C coach, but I don't have enough info to pin specifics on them. If you don't want to believe Cristobal could possibly have gotten it wrong twice and isn't getting the DT recruiting he expected out of Salavea (putting aside Polynesian Recruiting at other positions, which he is IS good at), I'm not going to burst your bubble. I like to post silly gifs and bust people's chops a little bit. Not going to try to convince people to agree with me.
 
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Wario Cristobum said:
What does him being from Samoa have to do with anything? Malasadas are great. Everyone loves them. Are you insinuating he can't like them because he isn't from Hawaii? Also, you may not be aware of this, but there are lots of Polynesians in Hawaii and Salavea was the primary recruiter for Polynesian kids in Hawaii and Samoa when he was at WSU and Oregon, so I'm guessing he's visited there once or twice and tried the food.

As for this nugget of rationalization:



Taylor has been an on-field coach for around 10 weeks. He was extremely limited in how he could contact players before then (plus it wasn't, you know, his actual job as an analyst). So if you are really trying to say they should share equal blame for the misses last year in the portal and recruiting, and the misses this year in the portal , you are engaging in some legendary mental gymnastics. If we end up landing a bunch of elite DTs next season, I'll be happy to work with you to figure of how to allocate credit. For now though, this is primarily on Salavea.

And also, before you try and blame Rod Wright in another amusing attempt to defend Big Joe, Wright was specifically the DE coach, so you can't try to claim he shares blame with Salavea too on the lack of depth at DT .


Update:
Thought about this for a couple hours, and I'll go ahead and concede. Brings me no joy to point out that Cristobal is turning into what could have been a 2-3 year rebuild (to turn into respectable program) , into a 5-7 year rebuild with his bad hires and bad retention decisions. He may indeed get us to the mountain top eventually (and I sincerely hope he does) , but I think he's going to take considerably longer to get there than it could have due to self inflicted wounds (like deliberately choosing a pro style OC in year 1 instead of a spread O, even though it should have been obvious which was better for TVD). We have empirical proof he has made at least one absolutely atrocious hire (Gattis). I think he is also making a mistake keeping Addae and Handlebar Mustachio as his S&C coach, but I don't have enough info to pin specifics on them. If you don't want to believe Cristobal could possibly have gotten it wrong twice and isn't getting the DT recruiting he expected out of Salavea (putting aside Polynesian Recruiting at other positions, which he is IS good at), I'm not going to burst your bubble. I like to post silly gifs and bust people's chops a little bit. Not going to try to convince people to agree with me.
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Stop eating paint chips
 
cameron97 said:
Noted Gino lover IndayArtHauz chiming in once again
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For those of you who don't follow baseball, Gino's record is on par with every UM coach who's won a CWS and I'm one of his biggest critics. He's tied for 1st as the fastest UM Baseball coach to reach 200 wins. I think the 2020 Covid year was our best baseball team in a decade. They were Omaha bound. It's too bad the season was canceled due to Covid.
 
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Number1CanesFan said:
For those of you who don't follow baseball, Gino's record is on par with every UM coach who's won a CWS and I'm one of his biggest critics. He's tied for 1st as the fastest UM Baseball coach to reach 200 wins. I think the 2020 Covid year was our best baseball team in a decade. They were Omaha bound. It's too bad the season was canceled.
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I should have put in a disclaimer that said this was just a jab at Inday lol
 
txcanes said:
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CFB analyst names Miami football transfer portal winner

Robbie Weinstein of 247 Sports named the Miami football in his article 'College football transfer portal winners and losers from the spring window'
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I don't wanna know how often we won the offseason based on star rankings and analysis by some 247 reporter.

Like, I hate to be that way, but I'm not jumping on any hypetrain until the games are being played. I can, for semantics sake, make all preseason rankings regarding Miami Hurricanes recruiting a TBD for that sake.

I'm thinking game to game right now. Not about how many wins we can, should, could have this season.
 
jsy said:
Joe recruits like kulikowski
it’s crazy he couldn’t get a single somoan dt to transfer in or land not even one out of hs in 2 cycles
Francis is big but how long is he gonna live off of just that?
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Not counting anyone else he has had a hand in landing but both mauigoa's are here because of him. An elite tackle prospect and what will probably end up being the best LBer we have had in awhile in one cycle is pretty big.
 
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ssj4cane said:
Not counting anyone else he has had a hand in landing but both mauigoa's are here because of him. An elite tackle prospect and what will probably end up being the best LBer we have had in awhile in one cycle is pretty big.
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doesnt make up for the poor recruiting for his own position
 
Cribby said:
Timebum might have the most hatred towards a coach after his first year as I’ve ever seen lol.
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1. Whoville
2. Cristobal

Just kidding. I don't hate the guy. As a fellow Cuban, I would like to see him succeed. I try to give constructive criticism and solutions. Big Joe recruits Mauigoas well but not DTs? Doesn't mean he has to be fired or has no value, he just isn't good at being a DT recruiter. Find a different job for him and bring in someone who, well, can recruit DTs. As I understand it, his role has already been scaled back as Taylor is now in charge of game planning and practice for the DL. So he literally has one main job on the defense- recruiting DTs.
****, Charlie Partridge is only making around 500K at Pitt. He is worth a lot more. I think sticking with Joe at DT recruiting is where Cristobal is making a decision with his heart, not his head.

I also don't have a problem when someone shows me facts that proves I'm misinformed on something. I acknowledge I was wrong and adjust my opinion accordingly. Someone wants to prove me wrong here - it's a low bar. Just need to see the DTs he has landed at UM since getting hired.

If you go back over the years and see my posts, I was the #1 Sunshine Pumper. Golden, Richt, Diaz. Rationalized away all the bad indicators long after it should have been clear it was going downhill. Came up with all the stats, win loss record on days with a certain wet bulb temperature, anything to convince myself things weren't going wrong. Now I don't make excuses for coaches . I calls it like I sees it.
 
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Wario Cristobum said:
1. Whoville
2. Cristobal

Just kidding. I don't hate the guy. As a fellow Cuban, I would like to see him succeed. I try to give constructive criticism and solutions. Big Joe recruits Mauigoas well but not DTs? Doesn't mean he has to be fired or has no value, he just isn't good at being a DT recruiter. Find a different job for him and bring in someone who, well, can recruit DTs. As I understand it, his role has already been scaled back as Taylor is now in charge of game planning and practice for the DL. So he literally has one main job on the defense- recruiting DTs. ****, Charlie Partridge is only making around 500K at Pitt. He is worth a lot more. I think sticking with Joe at DT recruiting is where Cristobal is making a decision with his heart, not his head.

Also, if you go back over the years and see my posts, I was the #1 Sunshine Pumper. Golden, Richt, Diaz. Rationalized away all the bad indicators long after it should have been clear it was going downhill. Came up with all the stats, win loss record on days with a certain wet bulb temperature, anything to convince myself things weren't going wrong. Now I don't make excuses for others. I calls it like I sees it.
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No Taylor and joe both recruit the DTs. There is no more DE and DT coach
 
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Canemang said:
That's great, glad he was around to assist. But he needs to do more than land the occasional "anyone like the Mauigoa"
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Mauigoa's. Plural lol. All the Poly's giving us a look is because of Joe. Take that to the bank. If Joe is not here, we'd be crying for another replacement on the Oline and a starting MLB.

Joe is under appreciated. Take a look at how many Poly kids now visiting and considering the U. Since when? I agree with the take its both Joe and Taylors responsibility for the whole Dline now. All our guys not named Cristobal or Maribal need to do more.
 
If you want some Polys here, you might need to have a little loss leader with Joe as our Poly guy. DT recruiting isn't an A+ right now, but we got two dudes from the portal, two young guys, and we have been in the mix for seemingly a dozen others...but we have one of the best OL in the nation as a freshman, his stud mike backer brother, too, and you need to give Joe credit for those guys, too...we don't get an Uce without him around, even if he's not the lead recruiter.
 
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