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Do you guys think our D can take off?

Moonman said:
I went with 3rd down rate because your post had us at 61st. I don't know where you got that from. Which is why I asked you to show your work.

You replied with the old O&G glasses cliche and suggested I might be high.

Then you followed that up with "this is the worst defense we have seen here in a long time".

Here are the facts:

Our defense is ranked above Georgia, Penn St, Oregon, osu, Alabama and Clemson on 3rd down. Here's where you can find that:

NCAA Statistics

stats.ncaa.org stats.ncaa.org

In 2022, just two years ago (ancient history I guess) we gave up 40 points FIVE times...including to Directional Tennessee and Duke.

Unless you want to stop throwing crap against the wall and replying with histrionics I think I'm done debating you.
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Ok big dawg. You’re right we have the best defense in the nation. I’ve been in a different dimension watching the alternate universe Canes that have a terrible defense and not this one that is the best defense.

I’m sorry apologize for my insolence. I’ll use the next portal to try to watch the same defense you watch on Saturdays
 

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#1cane said:
Louisville game special teams cost Miami two TD's. Fumble cost the defense a short field for another TD. If the defense can cut the couple of mental mistakes chunk plays by a third or half the defense will be fine. Too many blown assignments is the problem.
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Our “Specials” need to be FIXED asap. Didn’t we just hire someone? Guy deserves the Gattis. Thanks for your time. You’re not up to the job. Our returns are eh and our coverage?! Maybe block a punt or or or not give up FAKES that even Joe Tessitore knew was coming…

Go Canes!
 
#1cane said:
Louisville game special teams cost Miami two TD's. Fumble cost the defense a short field for another TD. If the defense can cut the couple of mental mistakes chunk plays by a third or half the defense will be fine. Too many blown assignments is the problem.
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Its not just blown assignments. The fundamentals are also way down, Tackling being the main thing, teams are getting HUGE chunks after the catch. They dont even have to be explosive type teams we are equal opportunity, Cal or UL
 
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Moonman said:
I watch more CFB than probably 90% of the general public. This fanbase suffers from a serious lack of perspective.

Our weakness is obviously our pass D. That's not up for debate. It's obvious. However, we're top 30 in (6.3) yards per attempt which IMO is a good indicator of how well we perform play-to-play. That's better than Georgia (6.56), osu (6.47) and Clemson (6.44).

Cal averaged 12.3 yards per attempt against our D (terrible), but they only completed 12 of 24 passes, and they averaged 2.9 yards per rush against our D. When shut them down on three straight drives in the 4th quarter when our backs were against the wall.

Louisville averaged 6.7 yards per pass attempt against our D, and 5 ypr on ground, but 40% of their rushing yards came on one 43 yard run in the 1st quarter. After that, they averaged 3.1. Here's the thing, they average 8.5 yards per pass attempt and 5.3 yards per rush on the season.

I could go on, but the bottom line is we're not that bad on D. We need to tackle better and get to the QB. We can do both of those things. So yes I think our D can take off.
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how much of us having decent numbers in some categories though is because we give up so many big plays & skews other numbers to look better.... not because they actually are but because our defense just doesn't have to stop as many plays in that specific category?.... im a general believer that we have potential to get better & be average fwiw
 
LyndenCane22 said:
how much of us having decent numbers in some categories though is because we give up so many big plays & skews other numbers to look better.... not because they actually are but because our defense just doesn't have to stop as many plays in that specific category?.... im a general believer that we have potential to get better & be average fwiw
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Rush attempts defended - 130th
Rushing ypg allowed - 8th
Yards per carry - 26th
Rushing TDs allowed- 7th

Pass attempts defended - 18th
Pass ypg allowed - 62nd
Yards per completion - 36th
Passing TDs allowed - 8th

There appears to be a correlation.

My assertion from the first sentence of my first post in this thread was that when put in perspective, our defense is no worse than the majority of the top 10.

IMO these numbers actually help my argument.

Overall we're no worse than average on defense right now, but if we tackle better and get to the QB then I believe we've got a chance to beat anyone.
 
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Other porsters have stated this already but moving Porter to slot REALLY weakened two positions. IMO, Powell to slot and Porter back to corner.
 
Moonman said:
See now you're just throwing crap at the wall. You have nothing to back up your assessment besides your emotional reaction to the past 12 quarters of CANES football.

Let me ask you a question.

How many teams in the P4 do you think wouldn't trade their defense for ours?
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It's not emotional. Look at the results. Your selecting the metrics you want to prove your point. I generally agree that input metrics like total yards allowed or yards per play allowed are leading indicators for dependent metrics like defensive PPGA. But in this case, the breakdowns on certain plays were so massive they led to game changing outcomes. That's unacceptable.

TVD had some pretty strong metrics as a QB last year. He still stunk because he not only generated a lot of turnovers, he did so at crucial moments of the game at critical places on the field (e.g., picks in EZ). His strong metrics don't make him a good QB. The same is true with our DBs right now.

Now, you can tell me the other snaps where they perform well point to the ability to improve on outcomes and I'll buy it. But just showing me a couple of good numbers and ignoring the gaping holes they left open on chunk plays doesn't work for me.
 
CaneLos said:
@Confidence1000
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Ayo Scott
 
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grover said:
It's not emotional. Look at the results. Your selecting the metrics you want to prove your point. I generally agree that input metrics like total yards allowed or yards per play allowed are leading indicators for dependent metrics like defensive PPGA. But in this case, the breakdowns on certain plays were so massive they led to game changing outcomes. That's unacceptable.

TVD had some pretty strong metrics as a QB last year. He still stunk because he not only generated a lot of turnovers, he did so at crucial moments of the game at critical places on the field (e.g., picks in EZ). His strong metrics don't make him a good QB. The same is true with our DBs right now.

Now, you can tell me the other snaps where they perform well point to the ability to improve on outcomes and I'll buy it. But just showing me a couple of good numbers and ignoring the gaping holes they left open on chunk plays doesn't work for me.
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I acknowledge that there are holes that must be patched.

I've posted about every measurable stat in this thread without curation.

I'm trying to point out that every team has holes, and that there are several areas in which we are outperforming some pretty good teams.
 
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JamesQuall said:
Ok big dawg. You’re right we have the best defense in the nation. I’ve been in a different dimension watching the alternate universe Canes that have a terrible defense and not this one that is the best defense.

I’m sorry apologize for my insolence. I’ll use the next portal to try to watch the same defense you watch on Saturdays
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Straw man nonsense and sarcasm. The characteristics of someone with a weak argument.
 
We are nothing like LSU 2019. I understand the perspective but we don’t have the individual athletic ability on defense as that team. Even tho they weren’t dominant they were waaayyyy more athletic. And I love our WR unit but we don’t even have that type talent.
 
Moonman said:
Rush attempts defended - 130th
Rushing ypg allowed - 8th
Yards per carry - 26th
Rushing TDs allowed- 7th

Pass attempts defended - 18th
Pass ypg allowed - 62nd
Yards per completion - 36th
Passing TDs allowed - 8th

There appears to be a correlation.

My assertion from the first sentence of my first post in this thread was that when put in perspective, our defense is no worse than the majority of the top 10.

IMO these numbers actually help my argument.

Overall we're no worse than average on defense right now, but if we tackle better and get to the QB then I believe we've got a chance to beat anyone.
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Sounds good to me my friend.... lets hope we can continue to get better!
 
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