Dj Johnson

[Brooklyndee]

Our bagmen must not offer that much, because at a certain point it's become extremely alarming that every top commit we get immediately starts looking elsewhere after they commit to us.

This staff just needs to cut the **** & start being real, either pay like you weigh & or "starve"... That's how it is in crootin'.

How the f*ck can UW get this kid on ONE visit & all of the sudden turn into this huge issue this staff can't overcome?

We been recruiting this kid for **** near a ****in year, all it took UW was a couple days & they're on verge of flipping one of our top 5 recruits... Smfh

How do we know how far back his relationship there goes or how serious we should be towards it? Also in my own opinion you gotta look at how one place may relate more than another. In this instance he's from a real lame city in Sacramento (no insult meant) & Seattle or the state of Washington relates well to a kid like that compared to a city like miami.. just saying there's alot of intangibles

Back in June, when he spoke to Pete on a podcast, his top teams were Miami, ASU, Bama, ND, UCLA & USC...
He had a special affinity for Adidas schools in particular & even though Bama, ND & USC aren't Adidas there was still interest.

I agree with what you're saying overall & I'm not bashing DJ, I'm ****ed at the staff for not keeping a stronghold on our kids...

It's not just this DJ situation & I'm not even saying he's going to flip, because I actually think we'll keep him, my issue is that this staff imo is just lacking something... Either we're not aggressive enough or we're just not hitting home with a lot of these top recruits.

I'm willing to give them time til NSD to see how everything plays out, It just doesn't make sense that we have so much trouble landing these kids & keeping them...

I'm not new to recruiting, been following it for a very long time & understand how it works, I'm just tired of always coming up short when it counts the most... I'm not saying that's happening now, I'm just saying there's always a million excuses as to why kids aren't coming or decommitting.

We're missing that hammer in the recruiting game. A guy like Garner, Craig, Orgeron. Where's that guy on our staff?

The important thing is the number of participation trophies the staff will get for being in the mix for guys like this, Holloman, and Smith. There is a lot of pride in being number two for so many good players we weren't even top 5 for before.

If you knew **** about sports rather than poetry you'd know that is what's called progress. **** takes time & doesn't happen overnight. Go back to your other squads in the meantime so we don't have to hear you ***** & moan. That's like saying you won the acc east but lost in the superb owl so you might as well have just laid down in the regular season than gave away your draft pick. You don't go from that staff to everything is amazing **** everywhere else that's proven **** I gotta go there.

 

[Memnon]

Our bagmen must not offer that much, because at a certain point it's become extremely alarming that every top commit we get immediately starts looking elsewhere after they commit to us.

This staff just needs to cut the **** & start being real, either pay like you weigh & or "starve"... That's how it is in crootin'.

How the f*ck can UW get this kid on ONE visit & all of the sudden turn into this huge issue this staff can't overcome?

We been recruiting this kid for **** near a ****in year, all it took UW was a couple days & they're on verge of flipping one of our top 5 recruits... Smfh

How do we know how far back his relationship there goes or how serious we should be towards it? Also in my own opinion you gotta look at how one place may relate more than another. In this instance he's from a real lame city in Sacramento (no insult meant) & Seattle or the state of Washington relates well to a kid like that compared to a city like miami.. just saying there's alot of intangibles

Back in June, when he spoke to Pete on a podcast, his top teams were Miami, ASU, Bama, ND, UCLA & USC...
He had a special affinity for Adidas schools in particular & even though Bama, ND & USC aren't Adidas there was still interest.

I agree with what you're saying overall & I'm not bashing DJ, I'm ****ed at the staff for not keeping a stronghold on our kids...

It's not just this DJ situation & I'm not even saying he's going to flip, because I actually think we'll keep him, my issue is that this staff imo is just lacking something... Either we're not aggressive enough or we're just not hitting home with a lot of these top recruits.

I'm willing to give them time til NSD to see how everything plays out, It just doesn't make sense that we have so much trouble landing these kids & keeping them...

I'm not new to recruiting, been following it for a very long time & understand how it works, I'm just tired of always coming up short when it counts the most... I'm not saying that's happening now, I'm just saying there's always a million excuses as to why kids aren't coming or decommitting.

Several things here. #1 & it's something that always bothers me. How do you propose this staff could lock down these kids? How does that work exactly? What can 1 coach do any different from another if you're simply following the rules & all schools are on the level? Some of the coaches want us to switch to a more aggressive stance where if you commit to us no more visits anywhere else. Problem with that leads into our main problem which our fans simply aren't ready to acknowledge cause it answers all other questions. The only schools that are able to tell kids no more visits are the schools that ARE ELITE RIGHT NOW... #2 due to my involvement with my nephews recruitment I've been forced to realize the majority of elite recruits simply don't consider us a legitimate choice. They don't see us as a force in football. They see us now as on our way back. But if you acknowledge were sortve an afterthought than you have to know results on the field is critical to our success. How can you be mad at a kid who made a verbal commitment which is a spur of the moment emotional decision when he starts to question if it was right? That's the human brain at work yall. All people at some point simply question themselves. Ask UknowWhat if that's the 100% raw truth for you. His son is elite. I guarantee you if not for how well he was raised & his father's love for us as well Shaq may have moved on too. We're seeing progress in recruiting. A tremendous amount. It's just not fast enough for an impulsive uninformed fan base.

I'm not going to argue with you Dee, because you're missing my point entirely...

We'll revisit this on NSD.

 

[Brooklyndee]

How do we know how far back his relationship there goes or how serious we should be towards it? Also in my own opinion you gotta look at how one place may relate more than another. In this instance he's from a real lame city in Sacramento (no insult meant) & Seattle or the state of Washington relates well to a kid like that compared to a city like miami.. just saying there's alot of intangibles

Back in June, when he spoke to Pete on a podcast, his top teams were Miami, ASU, Bama, ND, UCLA & USC...
He had a special affinity for Adidas schools in particular & even though Bama, ND & USC aren't Adidas there was still interest.

I agree with what you're saying overall & I'm not bashing DJ, I'm ****ed at the staff for not keeping a stronghold on our kids...

It's not just this DJ situation & I'm not even saying he's going to flip, because I actually think we'll keep him, my issue is that this staff imo is just lacking something... Either we're not aggressive enough or we're just not hitting home with a lot of these top recruits.

I'm willing to give them time til NSD to see how everything plays out, It just doesn't make sense that we have so much trouble landing these kids & keeping them...

I'm not new to recruiting, been following it for a very long time & understand how it works, I'm just tired of always coming up short when it counts the most... I'm not saying that's happening now, I'm just saying there's always a million excuses as to why kids aren't coming or decommitting.

We're missing that hammer in the recruiting game. A guy like Garner, Craig, Orgeron. Where's that guy on our staff?

The important thing is the number of participation trophies the staff will get for being in the mix for guys like this, Holloman, and Smith. There is a lot of pride in being number two for so many good players we weren't even top 5 for before.

Sad thing is the guys proud of participation awards are in for another L when we don't even finish 2nd for those guys.

Everyone had us battling Alabama for Jeudy, but it turned out we were an afterthought. Well, at least he took the time to come to Paradise Camp and laugh with his faqg buddy who was mocking UM. Last year's staff never would have gotten him on campus to mock us.

& it's because last year's staff openly admitted to never recruiting him that were an afterthought that ultimately will keep us from getting him. For yall sake well clean up on the local 3 stars who really don't mind coming cause fau isn't glamorous enough. You'd just rather we do like the last staff thought was such a great idea & why onion sucked too we should just figure out for ourself that we shouldn't recruit them.

 

[The Franchise]

Our bagmen must not offer that much, because at a certain point it's become extremely alarming that every top commit we get immediately starts looking elsewhere after they commit to us.

This staff just needs to cut the **** & start being real, either pay like you weigh & or "starve"... That's how it is in crootin'.

How the f*ck can UW get this kid on ONE visit & all of the sudden turn into this huge issue this staff can't overcome?

We been recruiting this kid for **** near a ****in year, all it took UW was a couple days & they're on verge of flipping one of our top 5 recruits... Smfh

How do we know how far back his relationship there goes or how serious we should be towards it? Also in my own opinion you gotta look at how one place may relate more than another. In this instance he's from a real lame city in Sacramento (no insult meant) & Seattle or the state of Washington relates well to a kid like that compared to a city like miami.. just saying there's alot of intangibles

Back in June, when he spoke to Pete on a podcast, his top teams were Miami, ASU, Bama, ND, UCLA & USC...
He had a special affinity for Adidas schools in particular & even though Bama, ND & USC aren't Adidas there was still interest.

I agree with what you're saying overall & I'm not bashing DJ, I'm ****ed at the staff for not keeping a stronghold on our kids...

It's not just this DJ situation & I'm not even saying he's going to flip, because I actually think we'll keep him, my issue is that this staff imo is just lacking something... Either we're not aggressive enough or we're just not hitting home with a lot of these top recruits.

I'm willing to give them time til NSD to see how everything plays out, It just doesn't make sense that we have so much trouble landing these kids & keeping them...

I'm not new to recruiting, been following it for a very long time & understand how it works, I'm just tired of always coming up short when it counts the most... I'm not saying that's happening now, I'm just saying there's always a million excuses as to why kids aren't coming or decommitting.

We're missing that hammer in the recruiting game. A guy like Garner, Craig, Orgeron. Where's that guy on our staff?

So chise since you know that's what we're missing what makes them a hammer? I'm curious cause I've known ed o **** near since I was born. Please help me understand what we're missing... by the way what you're trying to say is completely wrong. It's just people relate in different ways. Dugans is a better recruiter than any of the people you mentioned & so is richt. He just is straight up & always applies his morals.

We don't agree on much, but if you're arguing those dudes I listed aren't elite recruiters you're just being a contrarian.

Rick loved Garner because he was his hammer. He overpaid him for a long time and held onto him as hard as he could before he got stolen from him.

Ed O is universally known as an absolute animal in the recruiting game. Rick Neuheisel tells stories about facing that dude on the journey and knowing how relentless he was and how he'd camp out in front of recruits' houses.

You're going to argue Dugans is on their level? Based on what? Dameyune Craig got Jameis out of Alabama to FSU. What has Dugans ever done in his career even remotely close to that? Dugans was losing dudes left and right at the end of the last cycle.

 

[Canedog]

Dugans better get himself a real Donk if he ever hopes to be mentioned in the same breath as those great recruiters.

 

[caneallday21]

Man **** being the best recruiter give me the wr coach who'll get a stud talent like Ahmon Richards and make him the best freshman wr in the country by far and breaka school record held by Michael Irvin. Named the past time Craig made that ttypeof impact

 

[UMFarArcher]

That guy is incessant on trying to be an insider. Dude literally believes what random people on twitter tell him then he gets outed as his "sources" turn out to constantly be trolls. The guy is special to say the least.

Yeah. Problem is though he's bringing this dumb **** directly to these kids. HI'm & another dude got into an argument with dj Johnson calling him a liar cause he won't say he decommitted.

He's harming the program not helping it by doing that.

If I am not mistaken, Danny Boy Cane has a mental handicap.

Does a bear **** in the woods?

Sometimes they'll ***** on a trail. Sometimes on a road. Sometimes on a creek bank. Sometimes in somebody's yard.

Pretty much wherever the mood strikes.

 

[The Franchise]

Man **** being the best recruiter give me the wr coach who'll get a stud talent like Ahmon Richards and make him the best freshman wr in the country by far and breaka school record held by Michael Irvin. Named the past time Craig made that ttypeof impact

LOL. Yeah Dugans made Richards great. Just like Brennan Carroll made Stacy Coley great as a freshmans.

You wanna know what Craig has accomplished? He's responsible for FSU's last NC. That's pretty **** good.

 

[Lutzboy247]

Man **** being the best recruiter give me the wr coach who'll get a stud talent like Ahmon Richards and make him the best freshman wr in the country by far and breaka school record held by Michael Irvin. Named the past time Craig made that ttypeof impact

LOL. Yeah Dugans made Richards great. Just like Brennan Carroll made Stacy Coley great as a freshmans.

You wanna know what Craig has accomplished? He's responsible for FSU's last NC. That's pretty **** good.

Dugans might not be responsible for him being great but he is a great WR coach, Devante Parker at Louisville, Rodney Adams at USF. I'm sure he's taught ahmmon plenty already, but for sure though ahmmon would be great regardless of coach.

 

[caneallday21]

Man **** being the best recruiter give me the wr coach who'll get a stud talent like Ahmon Richards and make him the best freshman wr in the country by far and breaka school record held by Michael Irvin. Named the past time Craig made that ttypeof impact

LOL. Yeah Dugans made Richards great. Just like Brennan Carroll made Stacy Coley great as a freshmans.

You wanna know what Craig has accomplished? He's responsible for FSU's last NC. That's pretty **** good.

I'm saying he coached up Richards which sure you're down on him so he gets NP credit but let's not act like as talent as we all knew Richards was from say 1 that anybody expected him to be THIS good this early. Now if you think an 18 year old will walk in without **** good coaching and be UMs best freshman wr ever please think that but I'll trust that regardless of how many 4 and 5* coaches like Kool and Dugans will still develop the players which is what matters the most

 

[Brooklyndee]

How do we know how far back his relationship there goes or how serious we should be towards it? Also in my own opinion you gotta look at how one place may relate more than another. In this instance he's from a real lame city in Sacramento (no insult meant) & Seattle or the state of Washington relates well to a kid like that compared to a city like miami.. just saying there's alot of intangibles

Back in June, when he spoke to Pete on a podcast, his top teams were Miami, ASU, Bama, ND, UCLA & USC...
He had a special affinity for Adidas schools in particular & even though Bama, ND & USC aren't Adidas there was still interest.

I agree with what you're saying overall & I'm not bashing DJ, I'm ****ed at the staff for not keeping a stronghold on our kids...

It's not just this DJ situation & I'm not even saying he's going to flip, because I actually think we'll keep him, my issue is that this staff imo is just lacking something... Either we're not aggressive enough or we're just not hitting home with a lot of these top recruits.

I'm willing to give them time til NSD to see how everything plays out, It just doesn't make sense that we have so much trouble landing these kids & keeping them...

I'm not new to recruiting, been following it for a very long time & understand how it works, I'm just tired of always coming up short when it counts the most... I'm not saying that's happening now, I'm just saying there's always a million excuses as to why kids aren't coming or decommitting.

We're missing that hammer in the recruiting game. A guy like Garner, Craig, Orgeron. Where's that guy on our staff?

So chise since you know that's what we're missing what makes them a hammer? I'm curious cause I've known ed o **** near since I was born. Please help me understand what we're missing... by the way what you're trying to say is completely wrong. It's just people relate in different ways. Dugans is a better recruiter than any of the people you mentioned & so is richt. He just is straight up & always applies his morals.

We don't agree on much, but if you're arguing those dudes I listed aren't elite recruiters you're just being a contrarian.

Rick loved Garner because he was his hammer. He overpaid him for a long time and held onto him as hard as he could before he got stolen from him.

Ed O is universally known as an absolute animal in the recruiting game. Rick Neuheisel tells stories about facing that dude on the journey and knowing how relentless he was and how he'd camp out in front of recruits' houses.

You're going to argue Dugans is on their level? Based on what? Dameyune Craig got Jameis out of Alabama to FSU. What has Dugans ever done in his career even remotely close to that? Dugans was losing dudes left and right at the end of the last cycle.

Nope.I'm not arguing that at all. My point is elite is elite & when they go against each other which happens every year it no longer becomes about the sale it becomes preference & visions,core beliefs. It's a kid & his support system that ultimately make the call & the staff knowing the kids you're after are just that into you. Lastly not to shatter any misconceptions here but you're giving people credit for other people's money. You're basically going with a unicorn. Ed is definitely a beast because he is very driven. He's very intense & if you have a drive like him he relates to you in yours in a very unique way. He's like an uncle basically. Far as Craig goes all he's ever done is hide a paper trail and deliver a check. If he's so great why has he done nothing else?

 

[RVACane]

Back in June, when he spoke to Pete on a podcast, his top teams were Miami, ASU, Bama, ND, UCLA & USC...
He had a special affinity for Adidas schools in particular & even though Bama, ND & USC aren't Adidas there was still interest.

I agree with what you're saying overall & I'm not bashing DJ, I'm ****ed at the staff for not keeping a stronghold on our kids...

It's not just this DJ situation & I'm not even saying he's going to flip, because I actually think we'll keep him, my issue is that this staff imo is just lacking something... Either we're not aggressive enough or we're just not hitting home with a lot of these top recruits.

I'm willing to give them time til NSD to see how everything plays out, It just doesn't make sense that we have so much trouble landing these kids & keeping them...

I'm not new to recruiting, been following it for a very long time & understand how it works, I'm just tired of always coming up short when it counts the most... I'm not saying that's happening now, I'm just saying there's always a million excuses as to why kids aren't coming or decommitting.

We're missing that hammer in the recruiting game. A guy like Garner, Craig, Orgeron. Where's that guy on our staff?

So chise since you know that's what we're missing what makes them a hammer? I'm curious cause I've known ed o **** near since I was born. Please help me understand what we're missing... by the way what you're trying to say is completely wrong. It's just people relate in different ways. Dugans is a better recruiter than any of the people you mentioned & so is richt. He just is straight up & always applies his morals.

We don't agree on much, but if you're arguing those dudes I listed aren't elite recruiters you're just being a contrarian.

Rick loved Garner because he was his hammer. He overpaid him for a long time and held onto him as hard as he could before he got stolen from him.

Ed O is universally known as an absolute animal in the recruiting game. Rick Neuheisel tells stories about facing that dude on the journey and knowing how relentless he was and how he'd camp out in front of recruits' houses.

You're going to argue Dugans is on their level? Based on what? Dameyune Craig got Jameis out of Alabama to FSU. What has Dugans ever done in his career even remotely close to that? Dugans was losing dudes left and right at the end of the last cycle.

Nope.I'm not arguing that at all. My point is elite is elite & when they go against each other which happens every year it no longer becomes about the sale it becomes preference & visions,core beliefs. It's a kid & his support system that ultimately make the call & the staff knowing the kids you're after are just that into you. Lastly not to shatter any misconceptions here but you're giving people credit for other people's money. You're basically going with a unicorn. Ed is definitely a beast because he is very driven. He's very intense & if you have a drive like him he relates to you in yours in a very unique way. He's like an uncle basically. Far as Craig goes all he's ever done is hide a paper trail and deliver a check. If he's so great why has he done nothing else?

You have a nephew at IMG. Who's a strong recruiter and closer, Brooklyn?

 

[Dwinstitles]

Man **** being the best recruiter give me the wr coach who'll get a stud talent like Ahmon Richards and make him the best freshman wr in the country by far and breaka school record held by Michael Irvin. Named the past time Craig made that ttypeof impact

Jesus Christ this post is whatmakes me mad....dude said coach Richards....wide receivers like ar15 don't need fkin coaching man. Let him land a numb and turn him to a stud...AR15 was always going to ball and people with brains knew that already so it's not a shock

 

[Brooklyndee]

Man **** being the best recruiter give me the wr coach who'll get a stud talent like Ahmon Richards and make him the best freshman wr in the country by far and breaka school record held by Michael Irvin. Named the past time Craig made that ttypeof impact

Jesus Christ this post is whatmakes me mad....dude said coach Richards....wide receivers like ar15 don't need fkin coaching man. Let him land a numb and turn him to a stud...AR15 was always going to ball and people with brains knew that already so it's not a shock

I wish yall would have seen him in the spring... lmfao. I don't know if this is serious anymore but yall say some crazy **** sometimes! Obviously ar15 is crazy talented. He's alot like my nephew in that he just glides like a deer when he runs cause it looks so effortless. But there's a reason all he ran is posts,Flys & go routes in high school. When you're in high school your speed & athleticism gets you by. Cause 90% of high school is kids who have no business touching a football & within several years never will again. But what separates the alpha dogs in college from the rest is a work ethic,attention to detail,technique & most off that constant fear of failure... there's very few high school kids that have a strong understanding of that until they see it in the next man up. There's a reason kids flock to powerhouse schools to sit & wait there turn before they play. It's cause they wanna learn from the best. Img,st.thomas,bishop gorman,etc... they don't have down years cause they have waiting lists of kids who wanna learn what it takes. You do realize when ar15 committed to this last staff it wasn't even to play as a reciever ... He was gonna come here & play safety. Plenty of yall weren't even sold on him till senior year came & went. Don't be confused Ron Dugans is an amazing coach. He's easily 80% responsible for the early success of ar. Just watch his tape from then to now & you'll see its all in the details.

 

[The Franchise]

Man **** being the best recruiter give me the wr coach who'll get a stud talent like Ahmon Richards and make him the best freshman wr in the country by far and breaka school record held by Michael Irvin. Named the past time Craig made that ttypeof impact

LOL. Yeah Dugans made Richards great. Just like Brennan Carroll made Stacy Coley great as a freshmans.

You wanna know what Craig has accomplished? He's responsible for FSU's last NC. That's pretty **** good.

I'm saying he coached up Richards which sure you're down on him so he gets NP credit but let's not act like as talent as we all knew Richards was from say 1 that anybody expected him to be THIS good this early. Now if you think an 18 year old will walk in without **** good coaching and be UMs best freshman wr ever please think that but I'll trust that regardless of how many 4 and 5* coaches like Kool and Dugans will still develop the players which is what matters the most

You're playing results with no actual knowledge of how much Dugans did to make Richards who he is. Sometimes, players are just exceptional, like Richards, and they're going to be great no matter who their position coach is. Notice how you ignored the genius of Brennan Carroll being responsible for Stacy Coley's great freshmans season.

There is a laundry list of RBs who have dominated as true freshmans. Doesn't mean their RB coach is a genius.

 

[BeastMode]

18 pages for what?

 

[The Franchise]

Back in June, when he spoke to Pete on a podcast, his top teams were Miami, ASU, Bama, ND, UCLA & USC...
He had a special affinity for Adidas schools in particular & even though Bama, ND & USC aren't Adidas there was still interest.

I agree with what you're saying overall & I'm not bashing DJ, I'm ****ed at the staff for not keeping a stronghold on our kids...

It's not just this DJ situation & I'm not even saying he's going to flip, because I actually think we'll keep him, my issue is that this staff imo is just lacking something... Either we're not aggressive enough or we're just not hitting home with a lot of these top recruits.

I'm willing to give them time til NSD to see how everything plays out, It just doesn't make sense that we have so much trouble landing these kids & keeping them...

I'm not new to recruiting, been following it for a very long time & understand how it works, I'm just tired of always coming up short when it counts the most... I'm not saying that's happening now, I'm just saying there's always a million excuses as to why kids aren't coming or decommitting.

We're missing that hammer in the recruiting game. A guy like Garner, Craig, Orgeron. Where's that guy on our staff?

So chise since you know that's what we're missing what makes them a hammer? I'm curious cause I've known ed o **** near since I was born. Please help me understand what we're missing... by the way what you're trying to say is completely wrong. It's just people relate in different ways. Dugans is a better recruiter than any of the people you mentioned & so is richt. He just is straight up & always applies his morals.

We don't agree on much, but if you're arguing those dudes I listed aren't elite recruiters you're just being a contrarian.

Rick loved Garner because he was his hammer. He overpaid him for a long time and held onto him as hard as he could before he got stolen from him.

Ed O is universally known as an absolute animal in the recruiting game. Rick Neuheisel tells stories about facing that dude on the journey and knowing how relentless he was and how he'd camp out in front of recruits' houses.

You're going to argue Dugans is on their level? Based on what? Dameyune Craig got Jameis out of Alabama to FSU. What has Dugans ever done in his career even remotely close to that? Dugans was losing dudes left and right at the end of the last cycle.

Nope.I'm not arguing that at all. My point is elite is elite & when they go against each other which happens every year it no longer becomes about the sale it becomes preference & visions,core beliefs. It's a kid & his support system that ultimately make the call & the staff knowing the kids you're after are just that into you. Lastly not to shatter any misconceptions here but you're giving people credit for other people's money. You're basically going with a unicorn. Ed is definitely a beast because he is very driven. He's very intense & if you have a drive like him he relates to you in yours in a very unique way. He's like an uncle basically. Far as Craig goes all he's ever done is hide a paper trail and deliver a check. If he's so great why has he done nothing else?

You're arguing just to argue. There are great recruiters and not so great recruiters. There's no way around that fact. Orgeron is a phenomenal recruiter for whatever reasons.

Craig has done plenty aside from Jameis. So now FSU has more paper than Alabama? That's why Craig got Jameis?

 

[The Franchise]

We're missing that hammer in the recruiting game. A guy like Garner, Craig, Orgeron. Where's that guy on our staff?

So chise since you know that's what we're missing what makes them a hammer? I'm curious cause I've known ed o **** near since I was born. Please help me understand what we're missing... by the way what you're trying to say is completely wrong. It's just people relate in different ways. Dugans is a better recruiter than any of the people you mentioned & so is richt. He just is straight up & always applies his morals.

We don't agree on much, but if you're arguing those dudes I listed aren't elite recruiters you're just being a contrarian.

Rick loved Garner because he was his hammer. He overpaid him for a long time and held onto him as hard as he could before he got stolen from him.

Ed O is universally known as an absolute animal in the recruiting game. Rick Neuheisel tells stories about facing that dude on the journey and knowing how relentless he was and how he'd camp out in front of recruits' houses.

You're going to argue Dugans is on their level? Based on what? Dameyune Craig got Jameis out of Alabama to FSU. What has Dugans ever done in his career even remotely close to that? Dugans was losing dudes left and right at the end of the last cycle.

Nope.I'm not arguing that at all. My point is elite is elite & when they go against each other which happens every year it no longer becomes about the sale it becomes preference & visions,core beliefs. It's a kid & his support system that ultimately make the call & the staff knowing the kids you're after are just that into you. Lastly not to shatter any misconceptions here but you're giving people credit for other people's money. You're basically going with a unicorn. Ed is definitely a beast because he is very driven. He's very intense & if you have a drive like him he relates to you in yours in a very unique way. He's like an uncle basically. Far as Craig goes all he's ever done is hide a paper trail and deliver a check. If he's so great why has he done nothing else?

You have a nephew at IMG. Who's a strong recruiter and closer, Brooklyn?

You'll find out when he signs. The winner will have done the best job. UM should have a big built in advantage with Dee. So if UM and Dee blow this one, then they're doing a poor job. Not interested in coming in second, especially with a legacy kid.

 

[Brooklyndee]

We're missing that hammer in the recruiting game. A guy like Garner, Craig, Orgeron. Where's that guy on our staff?

So chise since you know that's what we're missing what makes them a hammer? I'm curious cause I've known ed o **** near since I was born. Please help me understand what we're missing... by the way what you're trying to say is completely wrong. It's just people relate in different ways. Dugans is a better recruiter than any of the people you mentioned & so is richt. He just is straight up & always applies his morals.

We don't agree on much, but if you're arguing those dudes I listed aren't elite recruiters you're just being a contrarian.

Rick loved Garner because he was his hammer. He overpaid him for a long time and held onto him as hard as he could before he got stolen from him.

Ed O is universally known as an absolute animal in the recruiting game. Rick Neuheisel tells stories about facing that dude on the journey and knowing how relentless he was and how he'd camp out in front of recruits' houses.

You're going to argue Dugans is on their level? Based on what? Dameyune Craig got Jameis out of Alabama to FSU. What has Dugans ever done in his career even remotely close to that? Dugans was losing dudes left and right at the end of the last cycle.

Nope.I'm not arguing that at all. My point is elite is elite & when they go against each other which happens every year it no longer becomes about the sale it becomes preference & visions,core beliefs. It's a kid & his support system that ultimately make the call & the staff knowing the kids you're after are just that into you. Lastly not to shatter any misconceptions here but you're giving people credit for other people's money. You're basically going with a unicorn. Ed is definitely a beast because he is very driven. He's very intense & if you have a drive like him he relates to you in yours in a very unique way. He's like an uncle basically. Far as Craig goes all he's ever done is hide a paper trail and deliver a check. If he's so great why has he done nothing else?

You're arguing just to argue. There are great recruiters and not so great recruiters. There's no way around that fact. Orgeron is a phenomenal recruiter for whatever reasons.

Craig has done plenty aside from Jameis. So now FSU has more paper than Alabama? That's why Craig got Jameis?

It's not. Matter of who has more.that's not even debatable. It's who offers more & that was fspew as well as a promise to start immediately where Alabama didn't offer either. Feel free to look at all his other recruiting success stories. Plenty of time at Auburn & not a single signature recruit. Plenty of time at fspew. Other than jamies who else? This is pointless though so I'm going to sleep. While I see other people's Merritt no one else is able to register it's a flawed argument. Recruiting is a dirty game,it's the lifeblood of college football everywhere. But what truly separates one from another is results on the field & cash off of it.

 

[Brooklyndee]

So chise since you know that's what we're missing what makes them a hammer? I'm curious cause I've known ed o **** near since I was born. Please help me understand what we're missing... by the way what you're trying to say is completely wrong. It's just people relate in different ways. Dugans is a better recruiter than any of the people you mentioned & so is richt. He just is straight up & always applies his morals.

We don't agree on much, but if you're arguing those dudes I listed aren't elite recruiters you're just being a contrarian.

Rick loved Garner because he was his hammer. He overpaid him for a long time and held onto him as hard as he could before he got stolen from him.

Ed O is universally known as an absolute animal in the recruiting game. Rick Neuheisel tells stories about facing that dude on the journey and knowing how relentless he was and how he'd camp out in front of recruits' houses.

You're going to argue Dugans is on their level? Based on what? Dameyune Craig got Jameis out of Alabama to FSU. What has Dugans ever done in his career even remotely close to that? Dugans was losing dudes left and right at the end of the last cycle.

Nope.I'm not arguing that at all. My point is elite is elite & when they go against each other which happens every year it no longer becomes about the sale it becomes preference & visions,core beliefs. It's a kid & his support system that ultimately make the call & the staff knowing the kids you're after are just that into you. Lastly not to shatter any misconceptions here but you're giving people credit for other people's money. You're basically going with a unicorn. Ed is definitely a beast because he is very driven. He's very intense & if you have a drive like him he relates to you in yours in a very unique way. He's like an uncle basically. Far as Craig goes all he's ever done is hide a paper trail and deliver a check. If he's so great why has he done nothing else?

You have a nephew at IMG. Who's a strong recruiter and closer, Brooklyn?

You'll find out when he signs. The winner will have done the best job. UM should have a big built in advantage with Dee. So if UM and Dee blow this one, then they're doing a poor job. Not interested in coming in second, especially with a legacy kid.

While we have a built in advantage Brian is his own kid & he's also the reason I've realized our disadvantage at the moment. When I talk to him & some of the other boys at img previous to this season the majority of them looked at us like we look at other bottom dwelling p5 schools. We were on the same level as Purdue to most elite kids who have no ties to this area. The kids from this area get pressured by every direction to come here & that's why wed get some. But there was others who would simply shut it out. As I saw personally yesterday during thanksgiving it's not always who's doing the best recruiting job who is gonna win. We eventually had to shut his phone & computer off but before we did we had Harbaugh call & Skype through a prayer between his whole family & ours while they cut a ham he then signed off on his prayer by his household chanting let's go big blue. Then richt,his family & the majority of the coaching staff & their families called & did the same over a turkey. When it all comes down to it preference of his will be what decides where he goes. Ohio state & Michigan basically just call several times a day till you wanna snap on them. Jumbo calls as soon as practice ends. Dugans & richt call during practice prayer & again at sundown... on & on. Honestly you just get bombarded with the nonsense.