Devante Bond grades

[nycane]

if we didnt get aqm i will cry. seriously, he looks like a future 1st rounder.

 

[IHATETHISPLACE]

if we didnt get aqm i will cry. seriously, he looks like a future 1st rounder.

Burns and AQM look like stars and future 1st rounders as soon as you turn on their tape

 

[CANE1775]

Personally, I'm just not as high on Bond as others are. Even if he gets in, I don't think he's going to do much.

Unless you are privy to additional footage of Bond beyond his Beastly HL film, or some other info that would somehow dilute the eye-popping stats the kid put up in JUCO I really don't understand how you can make a statement like this..

To add to what Lu said, do you think we are going to simply let him pin his ears back and rush the QB? If we do, then we will have changed what we've done over the last couple of years. Maybe it's just me, but I see Bond as a one trick pony in a system that isn't best suited for his trick. In addition, I'm skeptical as to if he's going to be able to simply blow by people like he did in JUCO, and I'm curious as to his true physical measurements. I guess time will tell.

Both Golden and Coach D have used the phrase "Players, then plays" in reference to the abilities/talent level of the players on our roster dictating, to some extent, what our coaches feel comfortable running both schematically and play by play. Isn't it plausible that Bond and his skill set (along with some of the other players like AQM that we've recently added) may now give Coach D the ability to incorporate schemes and plays that he was unable to run before because we've lacked the talent to run them up until this point?

Do you really believe that they will take a guy like Bond with his explosion and quickness, a kid with 17 sacks last year, and drop him into coverage on passing downs? Even if Bond doesn't "blow by people like he did in JUCO" it's obvious to me from watching his tape that, physically, he can do things by way of rushing the QB that nobody on our roster up to this point has been capable of. I think it's probably obvious to our coaching staff as well and I'm confident that they'll use him accordingly...

I mean, we could go round and round with this. I could easily ask do you think the coaches would ask Luther Robinson to play gap control, and engage lineman in order for others to make plays instead of allowing him to use his quickness. Most would say no but that's what happened. Or look at how uncomfortable Mccord looked at times in the spring when they were asking him to read/react and engage players. It would not be the first time where people were left wondering why we weren't letting a player do what he does best. In any event, my opinion still stands, and time will tell.

 

[nycane]

AQM already has moves too. Quick, plays hard. weight till he has a couple summers in weight room.

 

[Gamineal]

Christ on the name alone we need Bond..

 

[The Franchise]

I don't know how guys have come to the conclusion that our scheme is preventing us from having a pass rush. Our lack of pass rushers is preventing us from having a pass rush. Shayon Green logged HUGE minutes last year, and he's couldn't get to the QB if my grandma was blocking him. Chick isn't exactly a natural pass rusher either. McCord and Terry both have potential, but they were both too light and weak.

Pass rushers are born, not made. I know some of you guys are football scientists and think Coach Duh' is braindead, but there's absolutely no way Coach Duh' will take a natural pass rusher and try to remove that from his game. Our D's biggest problem, by a long shot, has been our inability to get to the QB. We give QBs way too much time, and that's why we get picked apart.

 

[jandman514]

McCord should have a good year he had 3.5-4 sacks as a 230 pound 3rd down rush end.. He's put on about 10 pounds and is alot stronger if he gets consistent playing time he should have 6-7 sacks easy especially with our soft schedule to start the season..

 

[BrianF]

McCord should have a good year he had 3.5-4 sacks as a 230 pound 3rd down rush end.. He's put on about 10 pounds and is alot stronger if he gets consistent playing time he should have 6-7 sacks easy especially with our soft schedule to start the season..

I dont know if playing UF in week 2 is soft, but the first and other 4 yes. Sorry other 3. I think UNC is underrated and will be a great game as always with them.

 

[LuCane]

I don't know how guys have come to the conclusion that our scheme is preventing us from having a pass rush. Our lack of pass rushers is preventing us from having a pass rush. Shayon Green logged HUGE minutes last year, and he's couldn't get to the QB if my grandma was blocking him. Chick isn't exactly a natural pass rusher either. McCord and Terry both have potential, but they were both too light and weak.

Pass rushers are born, not made. I know some of you guys are football scientists and think Coach Duh' is braindead, but there's absolutely no way Coach Duh' will take a natural pass rusher and try to remove that from his game. Our D's biggest problem, by a long shot, has been our inability to get to the QB. We give QBs way too much time, and that's why we get picked apart.

Besides the condescending tone of your post - seriously, almost Bombish - it's also just inexplicably ignorant. Our "pass rushers" are predominantly asked to play a technique that doesn't put them in the best position to rush the passer. That's not subjective. That's a fact.

Coach D isn't braindead and some of us have actually defended what, at least for me, has been a decision to play his scheme with guys not strong enough or good enough to play it (at a short term loss) in an attempt not to have to make the transition later (for a future gain).

That doesn't change the fact that, when the defensive calls go in, our DLinemen are often playing gap control.

 

[nycane]

chick took some bulk off over the offseason. they said he bulked up too much and had a hard time moving around.

 

[The Franchise]

I don't know how guys have come to the conclusion that our scheme is preventing us from having a pass rush. Our lack of pass rushers is preventing us from having a pass rush. Shayon Green logged HUGE minutes last year, and he's couldn't get to the QB if my grandma was blocking him. Chick isn't exactly a natural pass rusher either. McCord and Terry both have potential, but they were both too light and weak.

Pass rushers are born, not made. I know some of you guys are football scientists and think Coach Duh' is braindead, but there's absolutely no way Coach Duh' will take a natural pass rusher and try to remove that from his game. Our D's biggest problem, by a long shot, has been our inability to get to the QB. We give QBs way too much time, and that's why we get picked apart.

Besides the condescending tone of your post - seriously, almost Bombish - it's also just inexplicably ignorant. Our "pass rushers" are predominantly asked to play a technique that doesn't put them in the best position to rush the passer. That's not subjective. That's a fact.

Coach D isn't braindead and some of us have actually defended what, at least for me, has been a decision to play his scheme with guys not strong enough or good enough to play it (at a short term loss) in an attempt not to have to make the transition later (for a future gain).

That doesn't change the fact that, when the defensive calls go in, our DLinemen are often playing gap control.

Find me a pass rusher that we misused last year. There isn't one. And I'm sure that explains why we tried to do the things we tried to do defensively.

In your infinite wisdom, Mr. Football, do you think that Coach D would actually take a great pass rusher that he knew could get to the QB and tell him to play gap control on passing downs? You want to talk about inexplicably ignorant, then explain to us dummies and mere mortals what the rationale would be for that. You can get too carried away with trying to break down your DVR footage of the game and forget that we had no pass rushers on the squad.

Pass rushers are what every coach would kill for. Yet our coaches are too dumb to realize that Green and Chick are Lawrence Taylor II and III and are telling them to play patty-cake with the OL instead of sacking the QB? Makes sense.

 

[canegang3]

what's going on with bond? it just seems very odd that he is having trouble getting in now because wouldnt the coaches know this would have been a problem during the time they recruited him? he committed fairly early?

 

[caneforlifeforreal]

I think people might be jumping the gun a bit on the rumors. he's gotta finish out his summer classes to graduate with his AA to be eligible to come here. So I'll start worrying August 1st.

 

[caneforlifeforreal]

and there's a thread just a few lines below this about bond that this should be asked in. The mods really should merge this

 

[LuCane]

I don't know how guys have come to the conclusion that our scheme is preventing us from having a pass rush. Our lack of pass rushers is preventing us from having a pass rush. Shayon Green logged HUGE minutes last year, and he's couldn't get to the QB if my grandma was blocking him. Chick isn't exactly a natural pass rusher either. McCord and Terry both have potential, but they were both too light and weak.

Pass rushers are born, not made. I know some of you guys are football scientists and think Coach Duh' is braindead, but there's absolutely no way Coach Duh' will take a natural pass rusher and try to remove that from his game. Our D's biggest problem, by a long shot, has been our inability to get to the QB. We give QBs way too much time, and that's why we get picked apart.

Besides the condescending tone of your post - seriously, almost Bombish - it's also just inexplicably ignorant. Our "pass rushers" are predominantly asked to play a technique that doesn't put them in the best position to rush the passer. That's not subjective. That's a fact.

Coach D isn't braindead and some of us have actually defended what, at least for me, has been a decision to play his scheme with guys not strong enough or good enough to play it (at a short term loss) in an attempt not to have to make the transition later (for a future gain).

That doesn't change the fact that, when the defensive calls go in, our DLinemen are often playing gap control.

Find me a pass rusher that we misused last year. There isn't one. And I'm sure that explains why we tried to do the things we tried to do defensively.

In your infinite wisdom, Mr. Football, do you think that Coach D would actually take a great pass rusher that he knew could get to the QB and tell him to play gap control on passing downs? You want to talk about inexplicably ignorant, then explain to us dummies and mere mortals what the rationale would be for that. You can get too carried away with trying to break down your DVR footage of the game and forget that we had no pass rushers on the squad.

Pass rushers are what every coach would kill for. Yet our coaches are too dumb to realize that Green and Chick are Lawrence Taylor II and III and are telling them to play patty-cake with the OL instead of sacking the QB? Makes sense.

Cut out the condescending stuff and personal attacks. There's no place for that here. I haven't addressed you in that way. You're a good, smart poster when you're not trying to be a tough guy. Stick to the football discussion.

*Edit: Removed the rest of this paragraph for what should be kept off this board. If you'd like to discuss, it can be through PM.

On to the football discussion:

Do we or do we not play gap control? Did we or did we not ask everyone - good or bad, edge guy or otherwise - to play gap control? Do D'Ono and Golden have a history of gap control defenses? Is there any evidence that they promote a looser, free-wheeling downhill style of defense? Anywhere?

The rest of your arguments are weak straw men. No one has said D'Ono is trying to transform pass rushers into garbage. All signs point to everyone being asked to play within the system, though. If you see something else, feel free to educate us. That's what the board is for.

 

[caneforlifeforreal]

I can't believe this is being disputed. You have John Chavis at LSU who lets ends and tackles penetrate and get up the field to disrupt the offense. On the other side you have systems like ours that ask our lineman to hold their ground and do gap control. The fact is we didn't have guys that could do that well bc they weren't developed physically enough to be able do that. You've got to have incredible size, e.g. Alabama, to do that.

I'm confused about what's so debatable.

 

[Ernie McCracken]

I can't believe this is being disputed. You have John Chavis at LSU who lets ends and tackles penetrate and get up the field to disrupt the offense. On the other side you have systems like ours that ask our lineman to hold their ground and do gap control. The fact is we didn't have guys that could do that well bc they weren't developed physically enough to be able do that. You've got to have incredible size, e.g. Alabama, to do that.

I'm confused about what's so debatable.

Gap control is done by everyone, and it's for run defense. Nobody, not LSU or anybody else, just lets de's and dt's get just pin their ears back and get upfield every play. This is some bs message board crap.

If you do that in real football, the rb will either crease you for a huge gain or they'll throw screens at you all day.

You have to be able to control at least one gap or you can't play college football, period.

Everybody, even LSU, plays read and react all the time, and what that means is unless you're specifically blitzing, your first responsibility is to control your gap and make sure it's not a running play coming your way.

After you know it's a pass, your job is to disengage your blocker and get at the qb. This is every scheme.

 

[NorthFlaCane]

I don't know how guys have come to the conclusion that our scheme is preventing us from having a pass rush. Our lack of pass rushers is preventing us from having a pass rush. Shayon Green logged HUGE minutes last year, and he's couldn't get to the QB if my grandma was blocking him. Chick isn't exactly a natural pass rusher either. McCord and Terry both have potential, but they were both too light and weak.

Pass rushers are born, not made. I know some of you guys are football scientists and think Coach Duh' is braindead, but there's absolutely no way Coach Duh' will take a natural pass rusher and try to remove that from his game. Our D's biggest problem, by a long shot, has been our inability to get to the QB. We give QBs way too much time, and that's why we get picked apart.

Besides the condescending tone of your post - seriously, almost Bombish - it's also just inexplicably ignorant. Our "pass rushers" are predominantly asked to play a technique that doesn't put them in the best position to rush the passer. That's not subjective. That's a fact.

Coach D isn't braindead and some of us have actually defended what, at least for me, has been a decision to play his scheme with guys not strong enough or good enough to play it (at a short term loss) in an attempt not to have to make the transition later (for a future gain).

That doesn't change the fact that, when the defensive calls go in, our DLinemen are often playing gap control.

Find me a pass rusher that we misused last year. There isn't one. And I'm sure that explains why we tried to do the things we tried to do defensively.

In your infinite wisdom, Mr. Football, do you think that Coach D would actually take a great pass rusher that he knew could get to the QB and tell him to play gap control on passing downs? You want to talk about inexplicably ignorant, then explain to us dummies and mere mortals what the rationale would be for that. You can get too carried away with trying to break down your DVR footage of the game and forget that we had no pass rushers on the squad.

Pass rushers are what every coach would kill for. Yet our coaches are too dumb to realize that Green and Chick are Lawrence Taylor II and III and are telling them to play patty-cake with the OL instead of sacking the QB? Makes sense.

Cut out the condescending stuff and personal attacks. There's no place for that here. I haven't addressed you in that way. You're a good, smart poster when you're not trying to be a tough guy. Stick to the football discussion.

*Edit: Removed the rest of this paragraph for what should be kept off this board. If you'd like to discuss, it can be through PM.

On to the football discussion:

Do we or do we not play gap control? Did we or did we not ask everyone - good or bad, edge guy or otherwise - to play gap control? Do D'Ono and Golden have a history of gap control defenses? Is there any evidence that they promote a looser, free-wheeling downhill style of defense? Anywhere?

The rest of your arguments are weak straw men. No one has said D'Ono is trying to transform pass rushers into garbage. All signs point to everyone being asked to play within the system, though. If you see something else, feel free to educate us. That's what the board is for.

that's all good and well, but it doesn't explain our anemic pass rush on 3rd and long

 

[caneforlifeforreal]

I can't believe this is being disputed. You have John Chavis at LSU who lets ends and tackles penetrate and get up the field to disrupt the offense. On the other side you have systems like ours that ask our lineman to hold their ground and do gap control. The fact is we didn't have guys that could do that well bc they weren't developed physically enough to be able do that. You've got to have incredible size, e.g. Alabama, to do that.

I'm confused about what's so debatable.

Gap control is done by everyone, and it's for run defense. Nobody, not LSU or anybody else, just lets de's and dt's get just pin their ears back and get upfield every play. This is some bs message board crap.

If you do that in real football, the rb will either crease you for a huge gain or they'll throw screens at you all day.

You have to be able to control at least one gap or you can't play college football, period.

Everybody, even LSU, plays read and react all the time, and what that means is unless you're specifically blitzing, your first responsibility is to control your gap and make sure it's not a running play coming your way.

After you know it's a pass, your job is to disengage your blocker and get at the qb. This is every scheme.

jesus christo. I never said LSU doesn't have gap responsibility and just plays like wild animals with total disregard for scheme. lol Come on man. I was making a general statement referring to basics as it pertains to pass rush. And the fact is those guys play a one gap attacking scheme that allows them to make a very quick read and then get up the field to the quarterback. Jesus christ, I was generalizing the basic difference in our scheme's and what I said is vanilla but it's true.

 

[ball915]

I don't know how guys have come to the conclusion that our scheme is preventing us from having a pass rush. Our lack of pass rushers is preventing us from having a pass rush. Shayon Green logged HUGE minutes last year, and he's couldn't get to the QB if my grandma was blocking him. Chick isn't exactly a natural pass rusher either. McCord and Terry both have potential, but they were both too light and weak.

Pass rushers are born, not made. I know some of you guys are football scientists and think Coach Duh' is braindead, but there's absolutely no way Coach Duh' will take a natural pass rusher and try to remove that from his game. Our D's biggest problem, by a long shot, has been our inability to get to the QB. We give QBs way too much time, and that's why we get picked apart.

Besides the condescending tone of your post - seriously, almost Bombish - it's also just inexplicably ignorant. Our "pass rushers" are predominantly asked to play a technique that doesn't put them in the best position to rush the passer. That's not subjective. That's a fact.

Coach D isn't braindead and some of us have actually defended what, at least for me, has been a decision to play his scheme with guys not strong enough or good enough to play it (at a short term loss) in an attempt not to have to make the transition later (for a future gain).

That doesn't change the fact that, when the defensive calls go in, our DLinemen are often playing gap control.

Find me a pass rusher that we misused last year. There isn't one. And I'm sure that explains why we tried to do the things we tried to do defensively.

In your infinite wisdom, Mr. Football, do you think that Coach D would actually take a great pass rusher that he knew could get to the QB and tell him to play gap control on passing downs? You want to talk about inexplicably ignorant, then explain to us dummies and mere mortals what the rationale would be for that. You can get too carried away with trying to break down your DVR footage of the game and forget that we had no pass rushers on the squad.

Pass rushers are what every coach would kill for. Yet our coaches are too dumb to realize that Green and Chick are Lawrence Taylor II and III and are telling them to play patty-cake with the OL instead of sacking the QB? Makes sense.

Cut out the condescending stuff and personal attacks. There's no place for that here. I haven't addressed you in that way. You're a good, smart poster when you're not trying to be a tough guy. Stick to the football discussion.

*Edit: Removed the rest of this paragraph for what should be kept off this board. If you'd like to discuss, it can be through PM.

On to the football discussion:

Do we or do we not play gap control? Did we or did we not ask everyone - good or bad, edge guy or otherwise - to play gap control? Do D'Ono and Golden have a history of gap control defenses? Is there any evidence that they promote a looser, free-wheeling downhill style of defense? Anywhere?

The rest of your arguments are weak straw men. No one has said D'Ono is trying to transform pass rushers into garbage. All signs point to everyone being asked to play within the system, though. If you see something else, feel free to educate us. That's what the board is for.

that's all good and well, but it doesn't explain our anemic pass rush on 3rd and long

what pass rush?