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Depth chart vs ND Pre Portal

90scane said:
Nd qb?
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TBD, they have 3 QBs behind Leonard all who are better than Emory. I still think they like us will hit the portal if it makes sense. They will be loaded at LB, DE, DB, but need to add a portal DT. On offense, their backs will be tops in the country, pass catchers pretty good, and OL very good. QB hard to say
 

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3FW said:
TBD, they have 3 QBs behind Leonard all who are better than Emory. I still think they like us will hit the portal if it makes sense. They will be loaded at LB, DE, DB, but need to add a portal DT. On offense, their backs will be tops in the country, pass catchers pretty good, and OL very good. QB hard to say
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Please explain how? What sample size do you have that the ND coaches do not to make that statement. As stated before, their entire QB room of 4 guys going into next year has a combined 1 college football game start.

1 start

They'll have 1 SR, 1 JR, 2 SO, 1 FR - that all combined for 1 collegiate start

So please explain your logic!

Also dont act like we dont have 2 top tier RBs and top OL either. It will be a running game battle because the QB position is a wash.
 
Mi.Cane said:
I started a depth chart for our opener vs ND pre portal. Didn’t have it in me to keep going. Feel free to comment or quote and add in what you think and I’ll update the original post.

I want to see where we stand with needs in the portal to be ready for week 1.
Credit @JayCane20 for WR depth chart
Trying to use my snow day wisely :shoveling-snow:

QB - Portal, Emory Williams, Luke Nickel (2025 signee), Judd Anderson. Reese P (portal)

RB - Fletcher, Lyle, CJJ, Allen, Pringle (2025 signee)

WRx - Horton, Robinson, Moore (2025 signee)
WRy - Joseph (transfer candidate), Toney (2025 signee)
WRz - Trader, Carr, Kirk (transfer candidate), Upshaw (2025 signee)

TE - Lofton, Williams,
LT - Bell
LG - McCoy
C - Portal
RG - Cooper
RT - Francis

SDE - Bain
DT -Moten
NT-Scott/Horton
WDE-Bryant/McCanathy
MLB - Popo
OLB- Wesley
FC -OJ
BC -Demari
FS -Portal
SS -Patterson
Nickel -Portal
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Who is punting and kicking?
 
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QB-Carson Beck/Luke Nickel
RB-Mark Fletcher/Jordan Lyle
TE-Elijah Lofton/Alec Bauman
WR-C.J Daniels/Josh Moore
WR-Portal/Ray Ray/Malachi Toney
WR-JoJo Trader/Ny Carr
OL-Markel Bell/Jaden Wilkerson
OL-Matt McCoy/Ryan Rodriguez
OL-James Brockenmeyer/SJ Alefetouli
OL-Anez Cooper/Tommy Kinsler
OL-Francis Mauigoa/Samson Okunlola

DE-Rueben Bain/Cole McCanathy
DT-David Blay/Josh Horton
DT-Ahmad Moten/Justin Scott
DE-Ahkeem Mesidor/Malik Bryant
LB-Popo Aguirre/Jaylan Alderman
LB-Wes Bissanthe/Cam Pruitt
CB-O.J. Frederique/Emmanuel Kernley
CB-Ethan O'Connor/Demari Brown
NB-Charles Brantley/Demari Brown
S--Zequan Patterson/Dylan Day
S-Zachariah Poyser/Markeith Williams

I want at least 1 portal WR a proven veteran
I would take a proven LB
Need another starter quality safety
Wouldnt mind a depth RB
 
gacaneaddict said:
QB-Carson Beck/Luke Nickel
RB-Mark Fletcher/Jordan Lyle
TE-Elijah Lofton/Alec Bauman
WR-C.J Daniels/Josh Moore
WR-Portal/Ray Ray/Malachi Toney
WR-JoJo Trader/Ny Carr
OL-Markel Bell/Jaden Wilkerson
OL-Matt McCoy/Ryan Rodriguez
OL-James Brockenmeyer/SJ Alefetouli
OL-Anez Cooper/Tommy Kinsler
OL-Francis Mauigoa/Samson Okunlola

DE-Rueben Bain/Cole McCanathy
DT-David Blay/Josh Horton
DT-Ahmad Moten/Justin Scott
DE-Ahkeem Mesidor/Malik Bryant
LB-Popo Aguirre/Jaylan Alderman
LB-Wes Bissanthe/Cam Pruitt
CB-O.J. Frederique/Emmanuel Kernley
CB-Ethan O'Connor/Demari Brown
NB-Charles Brantley/Demari Brown
S--Zequan Patterson/Dylan Day
S-Zachariah Poyser/Markeith Williams

I want at least 1 portal WR a proven veteran
I would take a proven LB
Need another starter quality safety
Wouldnt mind a depth RB
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Any word on Mesidor yet? He officially announce he's returning?
 
DemCanes10 said:
Please explain how? What sample size do you have that the ND coaches do not to make that statement. As stated before, their entire QB room of 4 guys going into next year has a combined 1 college football game start.

1 start

They'll have 1 SR, 1 JR, 2 SO, 1 FR - that all combined for 1 collegiate start

So please explain your logic!

Also dont act like we dont have 2 top tier RBs and top OL either. It will be a running game battle because the QB position is a wash.
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Angeli we all saw last night. Carr is the best of them all, and Minchey is the one I know the least. Being better than Emory isn’t that high a bar. Plus, now we have the best QB with Beck.

On offense we will be better unless they convince Milroe to stay in college. Defense is our problem. They return a ton of really good players. Special teams potentially a problem for us as well. Mario does not seem to care about it.
 
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Surprised we have not gotten a LB in the portal. It’s a real weakness. Maybe with a new DC they will play better.
 
gacaneaddict said:
QB-Carson Beck/Luke Nickel
RB-Mark Fletcher/Jordan Lyle
TE-Elijah Lofton/Alec Bauman
WR-C.J Daniels/Josh Moore
WR-Portal/Ray Ray/Malachi Toney
WR-JoJo Trader/Ny Carr
OL-Markel Bell/Jaden Wilkerson
OL-Matt McCoy/Ryan Rodriguez
OL-James Brockenmeyer/SJ Alefetouli
OL-Anez Cooper/Tommy Kinsler
OL-Francis Mauigoa/Samson Okunlola

DE-Rueben Bain/Cole McCanathy
DT-David Blay/Josh Horton
DT-Ahmad Moten/Justin Scott
DE-Ahkeem Mesidor/Malik Bryant
LB-Popo Aguirre/Jaylan Alderman
LB-Wes Bissanthe/Cam Pruitt
CB-O.J. Frederique/Emmanuel Kernley
CB-Ethan O'Connor/Demari Brown
NB-Charles Brantley/Demari Brown
S--Zequan Patterson/Dylan Day
S-Zachariah Poyser/Markeith Williams

I want at least 1 portal WR a proven veteran
I would take a proven LB
Need another starter quality safety
Wouldnt mind a depth RB
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Things shaping up. If we land Lucas that will sure up the DB room.

Freshman like Pringle, Moore, Wiley, the freshman DBs should have an opportunity to make an impact and add real depth right away
 
gacaneaddict said:
QB-Carson Beck/Luke Nickel
RB-Mark Fletcher/Jordan Lyle
TE-Elijah Lofton/Alec Bauman
WR-C.J Daniels/Josh Moore
WR-Portal/Ray Ray/Malachi Toney
WR-JoJo Trader/Ny Carr
OL-Markel Bell/Jaden Wilkerson
OL-Matt McCoy/Ryan Rodriguez
OL-James Brockenmeyer/SJ Alefetouli
OL-Anez Cooper/Tommy Kinsler
OL-Francis Mauigoa/Samson Okunlola

DE-Rueben Bain/Cole McCanathy
DT-David Blay/Josh Horton
DT-Ahmad Moten/Justin Scott
DE-Ahkeem Mesidor/Malik Bryant
LB-Popo Aguirre/Jaylan Alderman
LB-Wes Bissanthe/Cam Pruitt
CB-O.J. Frederique/Emmanuel Kernley
CB-Ethan O'Connor/Demari Brown
NB-Charles Brantley/Demari Brown
S--Zequan Patterson/Dylan Day
S-Zachariah Poyser/Markeith Williams

I want at least 1 portal WR a proven veteran
I would take a proven LB
Need another starter quality safety
Wouldnt mind a depth RB
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Thx for putting this together!

Coming together. Not a popular comment here, but #1) we need a pass rusher..Bain is too heavy and should move inside. Mesidor has lost a step. Bryant is too short and Cole is inexperienced..
#2) ILB. Wes and Alderman are average
#3) CB/S I get we’re still waiting on Lucas but he or someone else with same like skill is needed

I assume a solid DC will be hired and hopefully he squeezes more juice out of the defensive players than Guidry.

Offensively, we need another vet RB and vet slot WR.

Playoffs or Bust!
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
We have a blue-chip player at every single position?

That hasn't really mattered in the past, but at some point, if we want to be a good program, you have to expect blue-chip players to look like blue-chip players, and produce like them.

You said the OL will be really good, and I agree. That's a **** of a start to a good team. No great teams have ****** offensive lines. So that's a start. And as you said, the secondary might (should?) be pretty good, especially when Lucas joins the fold. That's 2 position groups. As far as the rest of the "mid", here are the kids you listed, starting with the front 7:

SDE - Bain (ACC Freshman of the year, hurt week 1 last year, Top 100 recruit)
DT -Moten/Blay (Moten was very good back half of 2024, Blay was the #2 DL in the portal)
NT-Scott/Horton (Scott was a Top 10 national recruit, Horton hasn't done anything)
WDE-Bryant/McCanathy (No Mesidor? Lightfoot should be in the mix, borderline 5-star. Blount same.)
MLB - Popo (Top 200 player who took OVs to Taint, Bama, Texas, UGA etc)
OLB- Wesley (Wouldn't say he's mid, but I'm with you that he's not an all-acc player. Yet?)

So how is that mid? It's somewhat inexperienced, sure. But there aren't a lot of teams who aren't. We all know how quickly these rosters are turned over. But that's about 8-9 Top 200 recruits in your front 7, and obviously isn't everyone. Coach the kids up and put them in a good scheme. They're not all going to be hits but they can't all be mid either, if they are then shoot the whole program into the sun.

And then on the offensive skill side, here's what you listed:

RB - Fletcher, Lyle, CJJ, Allen, Chris Wheatley-Humphrey, Pringle (2025 signee)

WRx - C.J. Daniels, Horton, Robinson, Moore (2025 signee)
WRy - Joseph (transfer candidate), Toney (2025 signee)
WRz - Trader, Carr, Kirk (transfer candidate), Upshaw (2025 signee)

TE - Lofton, Williams, Bauman

Again, how is this mid? Fletcher is a proven good player and crazy high recruit. Lyle was basically the same. These are both kids who were committed to one of the 2-3 best programs in the country. They're mid? I agree we need another back for depth, but Pringle looks like a really good player, we'll have to see.

Trader and Carr were both borderline 5-star receivers. Everyone in the country wanted them. Ray Ray was a very highly ranked kid. Toney is a first-team All-American. Robinson was courted by Taint and was a blue-chip kid. Daniels was a highly sought after transfer. Lofton looks like a future star.

Again, I'm not sunshine pumping saying these kids will be great. A lot of them need to prove it. But my point is, you can't say someone who didn't play in Year 1 and was a 5-star or high 4-star recruit is mid. Just because they haven't played yet doesn't mean they're mid. So if you'd have said we have a lot of kids who are inexperienced and need to prove they're good players, I'm with you. But saying we have a good OL and good secondary and the rest of the roster sucks is from Page 1 of the Mope Handbook. You're gonna have a hard time convincing me Justin Scott is mid. Etc Etc.
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How come Picket is not mentioned?
 
561Cane said:
Thx for putting this together!

Coming together. Not a popular comment here, but #1) we need a pass rusher..Bain is too heavy and should move inside. Mesidor has lost a step. Bryant is too short and Cole is inexperienced..
#2) ILB. Wes and Alderman are average
#3) CB/S I get we’re still waiting on Lucas but he or someone else with same like skill is needed

I assume a solid DC will be hired and hopefully he squeezes more juice out of the defensive players than Guidry.

Offensively, we need another vet RB and vet slot WR.

Playoffs or Bust!
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Agree on the pass rushing get to the QB type DEs. We’re lacking there. You see in the last two playoff games how impactful long twitchy DEs can change the game. All 4 teams had 1 or 2 elite DEs causing havoc

We don’t have that currently. Really need Guys like Pickett, Lightfoot, Cole, Lowe etc. to develop and see the field
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Fair question. He should be. And more to my point, you gotta be able to develop and rely on blue chip players. Otherwise, this is all meaningless. You’re not gonna get 22 starters from the portal, nor should you.
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In my mock lineup I have 7 starters on offense and 6 on defense from high school recruiting. In todays college football that is a decently high #.

Pickett is just so skinny. Young skinny players tend to get pushed around. I think he can carve out a role though.
 
Good stuff in this thread.

Injuries and the spring performance of young players will dictate what we do in the next portal cycle.

I’m watching the young DE battle closely. Malik Bryant, Cole McConathy, Armondo Blount, Marquise Lightfoot, Booker Pickett, Elias Rudolph, Hayden Lowe and Herbert Scroggins are all in the mix. A lot will depend on what the new DC likes to do on the edges.

Ideally, our young pass rushers develop and we don’t have to spend too much elsewhere. There is a lot of highly recruited talent in the building.
 
3FW said:
Angeli we all saw last night. Carr is the best of them all, and Minchey is the one I know the least. Being better than Emory isn’t that high a bar. Plus, now we have the best QB with Beck.

On offense we will be better unless they convince Milroe to stay in college. Defense is our problem. They return a ton of really good players. Special teams potentially a problem for us as well. Mario does not seem to care about it.
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So it’s all your opinion nothing substantial. The main point is their QB room is green as **** and it was lead to presume it was good and I don’t see it
 
DMoney said:
Good stuff in this thread.

Injuries and the spring performance of young players will dictate what we do in the next portal cycle.

I’m watching the young DE battle closely. Malik Bryant, Cole McConathy, Armondo Blount, Marquise Lightfoot, Booker Pickett, Elias Rudolph, Hayden Lowe and Herbert Scroggins are all in the mix. A lot will depend on what the new DC likes to do on the edges.

Ideally, our young pass rushers develop and we don’t have to spend too much elsewhere. There is a lot of highly recruited talent in the building.
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Who do you think is potentially the most scheme versatile out of the group above?
 
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