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2025 Demetrius Campbell 3* OL from Orlando Christian Prep

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Ghandi said:
2023 was the “big haul”

In 2024;
+ M. Bell looks like a player from the JUCO ranks.
+ Francavilla looks a bit suspect, I’ll admit. He just a Fr and did flash a few times in practice.
+ Plazz had offers from teams that do a good job of identifying OL talent (PSU, NC State, FSU, Buttgers)
+ Minaya didn’t get a lot of attention from other schools that evaluate OL at a high level. Gets here in the spring.

2025 class is WIP
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Was not a fan of the Minaya take at all. But liked the others quite a bit. MC/Mirabal seem to either go for high end physical traits or they are willing to sacrifice an extent of those traits for high football IQ and some positional versatility. 3/4 of those from last class check those boxes. We will see how it plays out this cycle.
 
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DMoney said:
I think both sides are right. Offensive tackle is often a developmental position, so bet on traits and throw numbers at the position. Mirabal had a bunch of developmental success stories at Oregon.

On the other hand, rankings are getting better and the Kelvin Banks, Josh Conerley, Francis Mauigoa types are safe bets to be good. I thought we’d be landing more of those guys in Year Three.
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I understand development and traits but dam like everyone these past two cycles have been projects except for Plazz maybe, makes me nervous we'll have to go portal for depth next year
 
I think we all thought we would land at least one "Francis Mauigua" type each cycle. But you also have to remember, Mario and Mirabel have to show these premier OL that they can get a guy to the league while at UM thus far... Unfortunately, we havent done it yet. Was really shocked that Lee and Cohen didnt even get drafted. Not saying their lack of physical traits is there fault..but recruits dont look at it like that.

That said, I like the fact that they have a "type". Mountain men that can move. They are recruiting absolute giants..Thats a great start. After that, just pray that 5 of them pan out. You only need 5 per year to pan out.
 
iamB_rock said:
2023 was great. Rating wise 2024 was very weak but I think there may be some finds. W plazz and bell has a lot of potential but It’s mostly developmental. For 2025 aside from maybe SJ it seems like we’re not in it for any of the highly ranked or regarded guys and taking a lot of projects again.

I know the staff can develop this position but like dmoney said more of the top guys are starting to hit here I’d like to see a little more of a mix between some high 4 stars and the developmental guys
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I understand the concern, but there are also some things to consider as well.

In 2023’s vaunted OL class -
+ Mauigoa and Okunlola are in the top 6 of the rotation. I consider those hits.
+ Tripp can’t stay healthy. Was surprised he made it thru this spring.
+ Kinsler is coming along very fast and looks ready to contribute right meow.
+ Tinilau has been hurt and hasn’t changed his body. He may be done here like Tripp.

So out of 5 guys, three starters and two busts.

In 2022’s class -
+ McCoy is fighting to get into the Top 6. He is a P4 OL here or anywhere else.
+ Cooper is an all-conference guard and a TFr starter.
+ Sagapolu and Denis were fillers in 2022 while the recruiting ramped up.

So they went 2/4 in 2022.
 
I’ll add that for 2025, Miami has Muex on the boat and he’s ready to play from a physicality and aggression perspective.

He can be an instant contributor just like Cooper.
 
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Ghandi said:
I understand the concern, but there are also some things to consider as well.

In 2023’s vaunted OL class -
+ Mauigoa and Okunlola are in the top 6 of the rotation. I consider those hits.
+ Tripp can’t stay healthy. Was surprised he made it thru this spring.
+ Kinsler is coming along very fast and looks ready to contribute right meow.
+ Tinilau has been hurt and hasn’t changed his body. He may be done here like Tripp.

So out of 5 guys, three starters and two busts.

In 2022’s class -
+ McCoy is fighting to get into the Top 6. He is a P4 OL here or anywhere else.
+ Cooper is an all-conference guard and a TFr starter.
+ Sagapolu and Denis were fillers in 2022 while the recruiting ramped up.

So they went 2/4 in 2022.
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Have to factor the portal into these discussions these days too.

Added Lee (NFL Pick) and Cohen (All-ACC Honorable mention, and this doesn't mean **** but I read something the other day where the Browns beat writers ranked the "most likely UDFA to make the 53" and it was Cohen, so we'll see). So 2 above average players, for sure.

This year added Carpenter, who we will see how he turns out but he was indisputably one of the best centers in the B1G last year. High confidence this kid will be an above-average ACC Center, at worst.

So you have the recruiting side and the portal hole filling side. Been pretty solid, overall. If Mauigoa takes the leap I expect and starts getting 2026 Round 1 discussions going throughout the fall, it's more ammo for Mario.
 
Ghandi said:
I’ll add that for 2025, Miami has Muex on the boat and he’s ready to play from a physicality and aggression perspective.

He can be an instant contributor just like Cooper.
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Recruiting rankings change also. I guess my point the entire time is the fact that we have talent and depth on the line. And they won’t ever be without o line talent. Plazz and Bell are very good looking players. Bell has the age to step in next year. I expected this class to be a multi year kind of class. When we lose our big dogs they will acquire more. But it’s the last thing to worry about. Their gameday coaching is. The secondary is. And it’s June. Let’s see what happens with their board. Of course the portal is an option.
 
iamB_rock said:
OL recruiting has been underwhelming since the big haul a few years ago
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Its been literally one class since that haul. Also i seen someone posted that schools like ND get all these Blur chip OL every cycle. For giggles i went and check their last class. They had 1 blue chip OL and 3 3 star ranked OL. Only thing was they all were big and tall.

I looked up other examples like Michigan in 2023 bringing in 1 blue chip OL.

I checked on Texas since that crazy OL class in 2022, they had 3 blue chip OL in the 2 full classes since.

I literally do not care about these rankings for OL. If i dont see players like McCoy turning into something starting this year, and then players like Kinsler and Tripp taking steps starting next year, ill be the first to be on their azzes.

Also i was doing a little research from this past draft. There were 24 OL drafted in the top 100 picks, 14 of them were ranked 3 stars or less, 3 were ranked 5 stars, 7 4 stars, 3 were unranked.

Im also aware that some of the 5 stars may have left early. Didnt research to that aspect but am aware thats likely.

Again, those were just the top 100, so like 1-3rd round. Also there are way more lower ranked players than 5 stars for example. But this position is where you are more likely to find diamonds to polish if u know what to look for and also coach them up.

For more giggles i decided to do the same for top 100 WRs

What i found was 15 top 100 WR drafted, 11 were 4 stars and 4 were 3 stars, none were unranked.

Thats why i will be willing to see what coaches have with their evaluation on OL, but more adamant we need more star skill position players at WR, RB, CB etc.

The industry seem to be able to rate 5 star players at all positions.

The issue for me is when u get to mid to low 4 star and below where they seem to have a higher bust/miss rate for OL but better with skill players
 
Odysseus said:
I understand development and traits but dam like everyone these past two cycles have been projects except for Plazz maybe, makes me nervous we'll have to go portal for depth next year
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Tell them.. all projects and portal bound for sure for a couple of years. They better develop some of the redshirt freshmans into rotation players.
 
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supacane said:
Its been literally one class since that haul. Also i seen someone posted that schools like ND get all these Blur chip OL every cycle. For giggles i went and check their last class. They had 1 blue chip OL and 3 3 star ranked OL. Only thing was they all were big and tall.

I looked up other examples like Michigan in 2023 bringing in 1 blue chip OL.

I checked on Texas since that crazy OL class in 2022, they had 3 blue chip OL in the 2 full classes since.

I literally do not care about these rankings for OL. If i dont see players like McCoy turning into something starting this year, and then players like Kinsler and Tripp taking steps starting next year, ill be the first to be on their azzes.

Also i was doing a little research from this past draft. There were 24 OL drafted in the top 100 picks, 14 of them were ranked 3 stars or less, 3 were ranked 5 stars, 7 4 stars, 3 were unranked.

Im also aware that some of the 5 stars may have left early. Didnt research to that aspect but am aware thats likely.

Again, those were just the top 100, so like 1-3rd round. Also there are way more lower ranked players than 5 stars for example. But this position is where you are more likely to find diamonds to polish if u know what to look for and also coach them up.

For more giggles i decided to do the same for top 100 WRs

What i found was 15 top 100 WR drafted, 11 were 4 stars and 4 were 3 stars, none were unranked.

Thats why i will be willing to see what coaches have with their evaluation on OL, but more adamant we need more star skill position players at WR, RB, CB etc.

The industry seem to be able to rate 5 star players at all positions.

The issue for me is when u get to mid to low 4 star and below where they seem to have a higher bust/miss rate for OL but better with skill players
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When faced with this issue they bring the card of physical and mental traits...
 
Jassid82 said:
I think we all thought we would land at least one "Francis Mauigua" type each cycle. But you also have to remember, Mario and Mirabel have to show these premier OL that they can get a guy to the league while at UM thus far... Unfortunately, we havent done it yet. Was really shocked that Lee and Cohen didnt even get drafted. Not saying their lack of physical traits is there fault..but recruits dont look at it like that.

That said, I like the fact that they have a "type". Mountain men that can move. They are recruiting absolute giants..Thats a great start. After that, just pray that 5 of them pan out. You only need 5 per year to pan out.
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Lee did get drafted by the Bengals
 
supacane said:
Its been literally one class since that haul. Also i seen someone posted that schools like ND get all these Blur chip OL every cycle. For giggles i went and check their last class. They had 1 blue chip OL and 3 3 star ranked OL. Only thing was they all were big and tall.

I looked up other examples like Michigan in 2023 bringing in 1 blue chip OL.

I checked on Texas since that crazy OL class in 2022, they had 3 blue chip OL in the 2 full classes since.

I literally do not care about these rankings for OL. If i dont see players like McCoy turning into something starting this year, and then players like Kinsler and Tripp taking steps starting next year, ill be the first to be on their azzes.

Also i was doing a little research from this past draft. There were 24 OL drafted in the top 100 picks, 14 of them were ranked 3 stars or less, 3 were ranked 5 stars, 7 4 stars, 3 were unranked.

Im also aware that some of the 5 stars may have left early. Didnt research to that aspect but am aware thats likely.

Again, those were just the top 100, so like 1-3rd round. Also there are way more lower ranked players than 5 stars for example. But this position is where you are more likely to find diamonds to polish if u know what to look for and also coach them up.

For more giggles i decided to do the same for top 100 WRs

What i found was 15 top 100 WR drafted, 11 were 4 stars and 4 were 3 stars, none were unranked.

Thats why i will be willing to see what coaches have with their evaluation on OL, but more adamant we need more star skill position players at WR, RB, CB etc.

The industry seem to be able to rate 5 star players at all positions.

The issue for me is when u get to mid to low 4 star and below where they seem to have a higher bust/miss rate for OL but better with skill players
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People think Oline is just a bunch of cavemen because they see massive human beings, but being a good Olineman is a craft just as much as any other position, sometimes even moreso. You can (and should) recruit highly agile and athletic guys that can move, but a lot the job is done within a yard or two (if that) of your opponent. Meaning, to get a consistent advantage and be steadily reliable you reaallly need to be a student of leverage, foot placement, hand placement alongside having a supreme understanding of scheme and presnap/post snap adjustments and assignments and a tenacity to get after it every play against another massive human being. High school kids haven't played nearly enough football to have all that down, and so development takes time, both with their bodies and comprehension of the game. Yes, great athletes help, but there are plenty of freak athletes playing line who ended up being busts in the league. It is far more of a cerebral position than given credit for by the average football watcher.
 
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skydogcane6 said:
People think Oline is just a bunch of cavemen because they see massive human beings, but being a good Olineman is a craft just as much as any other position, sometimes even moreso. You can (and should) recruit highly agile and athletic guys that can move, but a lot the job is done within a yard or two (if that) of your opponent. Meaning, to get a consistent advantage and be steadily reliable you reaallly need to be a student of leverage, foot placement, hand placement alongside having a supreme understanding of scheme and presnap/post snap adjustments and assignments and a tenacity to get after it every play against another massive human being. High school kids haven't played nearly enough football to have all that down, and so development takes time, both with their bodies and comprehension of the game. Yes, great athletes help, but there are plenty of freak athletes playing line who ended up being busts in the league. It is far more of a cerebral position than given credit for by the average football watcher.
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Precisely. And all while there are other big human across trying to confuse you before the ball is snapped, before trying to tear your head off. Talking about IQ and upside is not just a buzz word with OL.
 
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