Defensive End Battle

[umfire]

To be fair, Chick's main use the last season was to set the edge. Not something that is really going to show up on the stat sheet. He is what he is, solid, nothing more. VT has players like him every year.

 

[MIATL513]

Define completely unproductive. It's arguable that his production increased every year. His total tackles went from 38, to 45, to 46. The only argument you can make at this point is that he has always been completely unproductive, including his freshman year.

I'm saying that cause he doesn't make plays. I don't really care about tackles from the DL position. I'm looking at TFL's and Sacks. How many of those 46 tackles were made while he was being driven 3 yards down the field in an attempt to 2-gap?

His TFL's went up too.

GTFOH!

He must've played more plays or something. I don't believe that. lol

He probably did play more plays, but I'm still focused on labeling him completely unproductive. It might have been a significant overstatement. The biggest problem with Chick is that he's always on the field. We had no one behind him last year. Kamalu was still learning how to play football; and he still is. The lack of depth hurt Chick. He plays with good technique, he's tough. He plays hard. He's durable.

Exactly!

Effort and technique fade fast when there is not enough depth to allow Chick to recover. He played too many snaps to be as effective as he can be.

Having Kamalu elevate his game this year will also help Chick have his best season. And the weight gain won't matter.

 

[MIATL513]

Anthony Chickillo played his freshman season Miami at 6'4 248. He is now 6'4 277 that is a 29 pound increase in 3 years.

Jadeveon Clowney played his freshman season at 6'6 245. He is now 6'6 274 that is also a 29 pound increase in 3 years.

This staff did not do anything that any other staff would done with this kid. The truth is Chick is a blue collar type of guy who is not athletic enough to make the flashy plays. He does his job, sets the edge, and give crazy effort on every play. I personally prefer Ufomba Kamalu over Chick because of his athleticism, but I appreciate what Chick brings and I think he has done an excellent job in his role.

How do you compare those two players? They have totally different frames.

Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri 6-4 230 as a freshman, he is now 6-4 274 as a redshirt JR entering the draft. That is a gain of 44 pounds in 4 years. Knoy and Chick have the exact same body type but they are night and day when it comes to athletic ability.

Soooo...

If they're night and day when it comes to athletic ability...

Why would you expect the same results after the weight gain?


Here were the choices...

1. Keep Chickillo around 255lbs where he can play 4-3 DE and continue to be productive
2. Put a bunch of weight on Chickillo and make him play 3-4 DE where he'll STILL be too small and (now) completely unexplosive

The point is regardless of size Chick was never going to be an explosive pass rushing DE that you guys seem to think he could have been at 255. In my opinion the additional weight allows him to do what his skill set allow, thats stop the run and set the edge. It is clear that Chick is playing his role as a run stopping DE very well, just look at his state and see for yourself.

SEASON Tackles TFL SACK
2011 38 6.5 5.0
2012 45 6.5 4.0
2013 46 7.5 3.5


Additional weight does not stop an explosive guy from being explosive, actually additional size and strength can make a guy more explosive. We can go back and look at the top DE's from the past 10 years and I am 100% sure that they all gained 20-30 pounds during their college careers.

Robert Quinn 6'4 240 HS SR, 6'4 265 NFL Rookie 25 pounds gained (19 sacks in 2013 for St. Louis Rams)
Greg Hardy 6'4 232 HS SR, 6'4 281 NFL Rookie 49 pounds gained (15 sacks in 2013 season for Carolina)
Cameron Jordan 6'4 250 HS SR, 6'4 287 NFL Rookie 37 pounds gained (12.5 sacks in 2013 season for New Orleans Saints)
Olivier Vernon 6'2 239 HS SR, 6'2 261 NFL Rookie 22 pounds gained (11.5 sacks in 2013 season for Miami Dolphins)

Has added weight stopped any of these guys from being explosive and getting to the QB?

Agree.

 

[UMFarArcher]

Even thought I think JF is a terrible DLine Coach, there is talent at the position.

I don't get how Chick can be ahead of anyone having missed almost the whole spring.

I was thinking the same thing. I wish they would just play the ballers instead of thinking they have to put these people in cause he has "experience" that's been our main downfall. play the guys that our balling. i didnt even see Chick in the spring game. he was the unnoticeable to me.

I agree with all of you. IMHO, I think AG and NoD are obsessed with having a senior-laden roster. So, they look at the matchups and if that young guy has yet to become "All World", you place him on second team even though he may be the better player. He still plays A LOT so fans and players don't ****, but he obviously plays second fiddle.

This would do 2 things:
1) Show loyalty to upperclassmen, and 2) Keep younger soon to be "All World" players in the fold longer because they then have to wait their turn to play enough to put up the kind of stats to get noticed, thereby "creating depth".

This.

 

[GhostofVenice01]

lol some people just cant be wrong, no matter what........

 

[jandman514]

3-4 DE is looking about 280lbs


A 4-3 DE is between 240-260



I dont expect Joe Blow computer QB to know the difference between what is expect from a 3-4 2 gapper or 4-3 single gap DE, just trust when they say chick would have been exponentially better as a 4-3 DE

Indeed, 280+ and long.

Kamalu, Allen Bailey those guys are Perfect for the 3-4 end.. Chickillo 6'2.5-6'3 short arms 250-255 would of been a great 4-3 end.. Now at 280 he's an undersized DT..

 

[caneman73]

this will only make us better