Defensive adjustments

[Cane Dynasty]

The increases in talent may help us just out talent some teams, but I dont think its going to do anything vs the good teams

We need All-World talent for that and we dont have that type of a roster

I didn't realize they had all world talent at temple.

To his point, they weren't playing against the type of talent we will face. When they faced superior talent, they mostly failed. The biggest question right now is what we will do, consistently, when we face teams with equal or superior talent?

It's a fair question.

But we won't have that type of talent, so it's a pretty terrible question. Our talent will be relative to that of our competition, as it was for them at temple. Al was recruiting some of the better classes in the MAC, as we're doing here with regards to the ACC. Reasonable heads may use that knowledge, and history, in order to extrapolate. Which is both valid and reasonable.

That's what scares me. There isn't [currently] a lot of evidence that Coach Golden and crew will beat teams with comparable or superior talent, as we'll presumably face in Championship-type games.

As crazy as it sounds we have to be scoring like 4̶0̶+̶ (actually looks like you could do it with 35+) a game and holding teams under 20ppg in conference games to have a realistic chance at winning an ACC champ game.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

The increases in talent may help us just out talent some teams, but I dont think its going to do anything vs the good teams

We need All-World talent for that and we dont have that type of a roster

I didn't realize they had all world talent at temple.

To his point, they weren't playing against the type of talent we will face. When they faced superior talent, they mostly failed. The biggest question right now is what we will do, consistently, when we face teams with equal or superior talent?

It's a fair question.

But. we won't have that type of talent, so it's a pretty terrible question. Our talent will be relative to that of our competition, as it was for them at temple. Al was recruiting some of the better classes in the MAC, as we're doing here with regards to the ACC. Reasonable heads may use that knowledge, and history, in order to extrapolate. Which is both valid and reasonable.

That's what scares me. There isn't [currently] a lot of evidence that Coach Golden and crew will beat teams with comparable or superior talent, as we'll presumably face in Championship-type games.

UF was as talented a team that we will face. So there is some evidence of Golden and crew doing it.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

The point is IT TAKES TIME to know if the DC SUCKS or If eventually HE'll prove to be a good.
You guys are already sold that D'onforio sucks just like you probably would have been sold that with Narduzzi that best Michigan State defenses would be would be average at best.
Next season and after will tell us.. That's why these posts about changing schemes and firing D'onofrio are pointless now.

Calm down. Do you need more time with Nix? Does he need 4 years at Miami to fully judge? IM. O, if Coach D wa7 the "guy" then we would see something better than we have in year 3. It is tough to defend him when we had everything to play for and we let up 90 points combined to VT and Duke.

3 years is time. He has had a ton of time.

As for Narduzzi (assuming he started off bad), so what. One guy, one time. The reason that most coaches don't get that many years to show something is because people believe they have seen enough and have higher expectations after analyzing the data. 3 years is a lot, 3 years is at least 36 games. That is a tremendous data sample to judge. After 3 years if there is ONLY minimal improvement (minimal improvement from crap), that doesn't mean a 4th year is the answer. It usually means a 4th year is a waste and throwing good money at a bad investment (i.e. wasting time).

It isn't pointless to fire him because the data at Miami shows little evidence that he can coach a quality defense. People who believe this would rather implement the new defense NOW rather than wait a year to see _________ at the end of 2014. At the end of the year, we will either see: (a) further evidence of the last 3 years i.e. poor defense, or (b) minimal improvement but still not enough to have the defense we need to win, or (c) a dramatic improvement demonstrating he should be our DC.

It isn't pointless to fire him because of Trend Analysis. It isn't pointless to fire him if he can't coach a defense. There is no reason to wait another full year to see (a) or (b). In addition, AT MIAMI there is no proof that Coach D can make a dramatic improvement.

If your telling me that on March 18, 2014 that it is pointless to fire him now because we're in the middle of spring football and a transition NOW may be pointless and hurt the season, that is one thing.

But we saw UL, we saw Duke and we saw VT. Perhaps after the bowl game it wasn't pointless...this is what people are saying. People are also saying your Narduzzi example (if true) is just an exception and not the rule.

Not really the exception to the rule.
D'onofrio at Temple is another example.
Golden at UVA another
Took Cutcliffe 7 years to have a breakout year at Duke.
Examples are plenty

 

[Consigliere]

Not really the exception to the rule.
D'onofrio at Temple is another example.
Golden at UVA another
Took Cutcliffe 7 years to have a breakout year at Duke.
Examples are plenty

You ignore 95% of my post likely because it is the truth. But to address the above.

What is your point? Just give someone time. Do you understand why some of these guys were given time?

Take Cutcliffe for example, he has been given time due to the fact that DUKE has had no program at all. It took him 6 years at Duke to finish above .500. Duke has no program, so he was given time.

Golden/Coach D at Temple was the same thing, they had nothing so they were given time.

When you are nothing, you have low expectations and are willing to wait for growth. We're not Temple or Duke. We don't have to give him time because we have and should have higher expectations. We don't have to give them 4 years to prove a defense because we have something in place. We have a recruiting base, we have a name brand and we have some program. This program may be dormant, but it does exist.

As for Narduzzi, this example you CLING too (here is his first 3 years versus our last 3 years)

2007 SD: 26.62 PPG (57th)
TD: 345.54 YPG (32nd)

2008 SD: 22.08 PPG (41st)
TD: 355.85 YPG (58th)

2009 SD: 26.31 PPG (67th)
TD: 380.85 YPG (73rd)

AVG SD: 25.00 PPG
AVG TD: 360.71 YPG

You want to know why else MSU and Narduzzi were given time BECAUSE THEY WERE TERRIBLE and had 3 straight losing seasons.

2004: 5-7 (4-4)
2005: 5-6 (2-6)
2006: 4-8 (1-7)

In addition, his numbers aren't terrible, there was regression in one season but it wasn't grossly regressing. It wasn't anything like our program either.

 

[theibisrules]

Defensive adjustments
I know we have a crappy d-coordinator, but how can we improve personnel wise?

 

[LA'Cane818]

Not really the exception to the rule.
D'onofrio at Temple is another example.
Golden at UVA another
Took Cutcliffe 7 years to have a breakout year at Duke.
Examples are plenty

You ignore 95% of my post likely because it is the truth. But to address the above.

What is your point? Just give someone time. Do you understand why some of these guys were given time?

Take Cutcliffe for example, he has been given time due to the fact that DUKE has had no program at all. It took him 6 years at Duke to finish above .500. Duke has no program, so he was given time.

Golden/Coach D at Temple was the same thing, they had nothing so they were given time.

When you are nothing, you have low expectations and are willing to wait for growth. We're not Temple or Duke. We don't have to give him time because we have and should have higher expectations. We don't have to give them 4 years to prove a defense because we have something in place. We have a recruiting base, we have a name brand and we have some program. This program may be dormant, but it does exist.

As for Narduzzi, this example you CLING too (here is his first 3 years versus our last 3 years)

2007 SD: 26.62 PPG (57th)
TD: 345.54 YPG (32nd)

2008 SD: 22.08 PPG (41st)
TD: 355.85 YPG (58th)

2009 SD: 26.31 PPG (67th)
TD: 380.85 YPG (73rd)

AVG SD: 25.00 PPG
AVG TD: 360.71 YPG

You want to know why else MSU and Narduzzi were given time BECAUSE THEY WERE TERRIBLE and had 3 straight losing seasons.

2004: 5-7 (4-4)
2005: 5-6 (2-6)
2006: 4-8 (1-7)

In addition, his numbers aren't terrible, there was regression in one season but it wasn't grossly regressing. It wasn't anything like our program either.

Sheeeit, Golden would be handed a lifetime contract from the Atehletic Deporstment for numbers like those.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Jimbo Fisher is another coach that was given time to implement his offense at FSU. Took him 6 years to field an offense FSU fans were used to seeing. His 5th year it still looked like Jeff Bowden was running their offense.
Its becoming evident that being patient with coaching staffs is the more prudent thing to do.

 

[RiDLer80]

Jimbo Fisher is another coach that was given time to implement his offense at FSU. Took him 6 years to field an offense FSU fans were used to seeing.
Its becoming evident that being patient with coaching staffs is the more prudent thing to do.

What the **** are you talking about? In his 3rd season at FSU they had the 22nd ranked offense in the country.

 

[CaneAlmighty]

Jimbo Fisher is another coach that was given time to implement his offense at FSU. Took him 6 years to field an offense FSU fans were used to seeing.
Its becoming evident that being patient with coaching staffs is the more prudent thing to do.

What the **** are you talking about? In his 3rd season at FSU they had the 22nd ranked offense in the country.

Wow. They were actually 28th. And what happened to his 4th and 5th season? Ranked 77th lol. You would think by year 5 he'd have the offense humming not sputtering.

 

[RiDLer80]

This is what I used: http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/yards-per-game?date=2010-01-08

 

[bobbydigius]

Jimbo Fisher is another coach that was given time to implement his offense at FSU. Took him 6 years to field an offense FSU fans were used to seeing.
Its becoming evident that being patient with coaching staffs is the more prudent thing to do.

What the **** are you talking about? In his 3rd season at FSU they had the 22nd ranked offense in the country.

Wow. They were actually 28th. And what happened to his 4th and 5th season? Ranked 77th lol. You would think by year 5 he'd have the offense humming not sputtering.

You gotta leave that tree alone buddy......
Jimbo has won 9 or more games each year and more importantly has won all his bowl games. If we would have won our bowl game against UL, the complaining would have been tapered, but we laid an egg there yet again. It is important to be patient with a staff, just like FSU was patient with Jimbo, but even when FSU's offense was sputtering under him it never stooped to levels that our defense did, in allowing 350 yds rushing against Duke. There is struggling/sputtering and then there is a dumpster fire, its really not a fine line....

 

[Da_U_85]

Defense still can't get lined up half the time.

That's half the battle and why I feel he has to go. He is putting our defense at a disadvantage before the play is run.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

The point is IT TAKES TIME to know if the DC SUCKS or If eventually HE'll prove to be a good.
You guys are already sold that D'onforio sucks just like you probably would have been sold that with Narduzzi that best Michigan State defenses would be would be average at best.
Next season and after will tell us.. That's why these posts about changing schemes and firing D'onofrio are pointless now.

Calm down. Do you need more time with Nix? Does he need 4 years at Miami to fully judge? IM. O, if Coach D wa7 the "guy" then we would see something better than we have in year 3. It is tough to defend him when we had everything to play for and we let up 90 points combined to VT and Duke.

3 years is time. He has had a ton of time.

As for Narduzzi (assuming he started off bad), so what. One guy, one time. The reason that most coaches don't get that many years to show something is because people believe they have seen enough and have higher expectations after analyzing the data. 3 years is a lot, 3 years is at least 36 games. That is a tremendous data sample to judge. After 3 years if there is ONLY minimal improvement (minimal improvement from crap), that doesn't mean a 4th year is the answer. It usually means a 4th year is a waste and throwing good money at a bad investment (i.e. wasting time).

It isn't pointless to fire him because the data at Miami shows little evidence that he can coach a quality defense. People who believe this would rather implement the new defense NOW rather than wait a year to see _________ at the end of 2014. At the end of the year, we will either see: (a) further evidence of the last 3 years i.e. poor defense, or (b) minimal improvement but still not enough to have the defense we need to win, or (c) a dramatic improvement demonstrating he should be our DC.

It isn't pointless to fire him because of Trend Analysis. It isn't pointless to fire him if he can't coach a defense. There is no reason to wait another full year to see (a) or (b). In addition, AT MIAMI there is no proof that Coach D can make a dramatic improvement.

If your telling me that on March 18, 2014 that it is pointless to fire him now because we're in the middle of spring football and a transition NOW may be pointless and hurt the season, that is one thing.

But we saw UL, we saw Duke and we saw VT. Perhaps after the bowl game it wasn't pointless...this is what people are saying. People are also saying your Narduzzi example (if true) is just an exception and not the rule.

Not really the exception to the rule.
D'onofrio at Temple is another example.
Golden at UVA another
Took Cutcliffe 7 years to have a breakout year at Duke.
Examples are plenty

Sorry brother...but this is easily one of the worst posts in the relative short history of this board.

Examples are plenty? All the examples you just gave are at schools THAT AREN'T UPPER ECHELON FOOTBALL PROGRAMS. It's a **** of a lot easier taking a horrible team and making them average, or above average...than it is to do well at a BIG TIME PROGRAM while playing against BIG TIME COMPETITION. The fact Golden is 1-11 against the only 12 quality teams he's played in his 3 years here is pretty much the end of any argument.

Spare us with the Golden at Temple crap while you're at it....that mythical "9 win" season is the definition of a FRAUD. The majority of those 9 wins came against horrible competition. That's not even mentioning the fact that Golden never won that ****** *** conference. You want to give Golden some credit for that "9 win" season...well congrats, he's the recipient of the "prettiest fat girl" trophy for beating up on ****** *** teams.

You want examples to the contrary? Saban turned Bama into a powerhouse and returned them to glory almost overnight. What about Malzahn taking an Auburn team WHICH WAS FRESH OFF A 3-9 SEASON to the big show? Miami is the definition of a sleeping giant and even at the worst of worst times...should never lose to the Duke and Virginia's of the world.

Get the **** out of here with this loser mentality that the Don Bailey jr crowd on these boards clings to....coaching at the University of Miami is NOTHING like any of the jobs you referenced above. You're comparing apples and synthetic ******* oranges.

 

[DaU83]

The point is IT TAKES TIME to know if the DC SUCKS or If eventually HE'll prove to be a good.
You guys are already sold that D'onforio sucks just like you probably would have been sold that with Narduzzi that best Michigan State defenses would be would be average at best.
Next season and after will tell us.. That's why these posts about changing schemes and firing D'onofrio are pointless now.

Calm down. Do you need more time with Nix? Does he need 4 years at Miami to fully judge? IM. O, if Coach D wa7 the "guy" then we would see something better than we have in year 3. It is tough to defend him when we had everything to play for and we let up 90 points combined to VT and Duke.

3 years is time. He has had a ton of time.

As for Narduzzi (assuming he started off bad), so what. One guy, one time. The reason that most coaches don't get that many years to show something is because people believe they have seen enough and have higher expectations after analyzing the data. 3 years is a lot, 3 years is at least 36 games. That is a tremendous data sample to judge. After 3 years if there is ONLY minimal improvement (minimal improvement from crap), that doesn't mean a 4th year is the answer. It usually means a 4th year is a waste and throwing good money at a bad investment (i.e. wasting time).

It isn't pointless to fire him because the data at Miami shows little evidence that he can coach a quality defense. People who believe this would rather implement the new defense NOW rather than wait a year to see _________ at the end of 2014. At the end of the year, we will either see: (a) further evidence of the last 3 years i.e. poor defense, or (b) minimal improvement but still not enough to have the defense we need to win, or (c) a dramatic improvement demonstrating he should be our DC.

It isn't pointless to fire him because of Trend Analysis. It isn't pointless to fire him if he can't coach a defense. There is no reason to wait another full year to see (a) or (b). In addition, AT MIAMI there is no proof that Coach D can make a dramatic improvement.

If your telling me that on March 18, 2014 that it is pointless to fire him now because we're in the middle of spring football and a transition NOW may be pointless and hurt the season, that is one thing.

But we saw UL, we saw Duke and we saw VT. Perhaps after the bowl game it wasn't pointless...this is what people are saying. People are also saying your Narduzzi example (if true) is just an exception and not the rule.

Not really the exception to the rule.
D'onofrio at Temple is another example.
Golden at UVA another
Took Cutcliffe 7 years to have a breakout year at Duke.
Examples are plenty

Sorry brother...but this is easily one of the worst posts in the relative short history of this board.

Examples are plenty? All the examples you just gave are at schools THAT AREN'T UPPER ECHELON FOOTBALL PROGRAMS. It's a **** of a lot easier taking a horrible team and making them average, or above average...than it is to do well at a BIG TIME PROGRAM while playing against BIG TIME COMPETITION. The fact Golden is 1-11 against the only 12 quality teams he's played in his 3 years here is pretty much the end of any argument.

Spare us with the Golden at Temple crap while you're at it....that mythical "9 win" season is the definition of a FRAUD. The majority of those 9 wins came against horrible competition. That's not even mentioning the fact that Golden never won that ****ty *** conference. You want to give Golden some credit for that "9 win" season...well congrats, he's the recipient of the "prettiest fat girl" trophy for beating up on ****ty *** teams.

You want examples to the contrary? Saban turned Bama into a powerhouse and returned them to glory almost overnight.MIKE SHULA won 10 games with bama 2 seasons before saban arrived What about Malzahn taking an Auburn team WHICH WAS FRESH OFF A 3-9 SEASON Auburn won a national title how long ago? to the big show? Miami is the definition of a sleeping giant and even at the worst of worst times...should never lose to the Duke and Virginia's of the world.

Get the **** out of here with this loser mentality that the Don Bailey jr crowd on these boards clings to....coaching at the University of Miami is NOTHING like any of the jobs you referenced above. You're comparing apples and synthetic ****ing oranges.

the point is... neither of those teams were in the larry coker randy shannon spiral of poor recruiting and terrible coaching for 7+ years before the "saviors" came in to have success.. being that we haven't been good in forever, I don't see why anyone would think we can fix it that quickly.

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

The point is IT TAKES TIME to know if the DC SUCKS or If eventually HE'll prove to be a good.
You guys are already sold that D'onforio sucks just like you probably would have been sold that with Narduzzi that best Michigan State defenses would be would be average at best.
Next season and after will tell us.. That's why these posts about changing schemes and firing D'onofrio are pointless now.

Calm down. Do you need more time with Nix? Does he need 4 years at Miami to fully judge? IM. O, if Coach D wa7 the "guy" then we would see something better than we have in year 3. It is tough to defend him when we had everything to play for and we let up 90 points combined to VT and Duke.

3 years is time. He has had a ton of time.

As for Narduzzi (assuming he started off bad), so what. One guy, one time. The reason that most coaches don't get that many years to show something is because people believe they have seen enough and have higher expectations after analyzing the data. 3 years is a lot, 3 years is at least 36 games. That is a tremendous data sample to judge. After 3 years if there is ONLY minimal improvement (minimal improvement from crap), that doesn't mean a 4th year is the answer. It usually means a 4th year is a waste and throwing good money at a bad investment (i.e. wasting time).

It isn't pointless to fire him because the data at Miami shows little evidence that he can coach a quality defense. People who believe this would rather implement the new defense NOW rather than wait a year to see _________ at the end of 2014. At the end of the year, we will either see: (a) further evidence of the last 3 years i.e. poor defense, or (b) minimal improvement but still not enough to have the defense we need to win, or (c) a dramatic improvement demonstrating he should be our DC.

It isn't pointless to fire him because of Trend Analysis. It isn't pointless to fire him if he can't coach a defense. There is no reason to wait another full year to see (a) or (b). In addition, AT MIAMI there is no proof that Coach D can make a dramatic improvement.

If your telling me that on March 18, 2014 that it is pointless to fire him now because we're in the middle of spring football and a transition NOW may be pointless and hurt the season, that is one thing.

But we saw UL, we saw Duke and we saw VT. Perhaps after the bowl game it wasn't pointless...this is what people are saying. People are also saying your Narduzzi example (if true) is just an exception and not the rule.

Not really the exception to the rule.
D'onofrio at Temple is another example.
Golden at UVA another
Took Cutcliffe 7 years to have a breakout year at Duke.
Examples are plenty

Sorry brother...but this is easily one of the worst posts in the relative short history of this board.

Examples are plenty? All the examples you just gave are at schools THAT AREN'T UPPER ECHELON FOOTBALL PROGRAMS. It's a **** of a lot easier taking a horrible team and making them average, or above average...than it is to do well at a BIG TIME PROGRAM while playing against BIG TIME COMPETITION. The fact Golden is 1-11 against the only 12 quality teams he's played in his 3 years here is pretty much the end of any argument.

Spare us with the Golden at Temple crap while you're at it....that mythical "9 win" season is the definition of a FRAUD. The majority of those 9 wins came against horrible competition. That's not even mentioning the fact that Golden never won that ****ty *** conference. You want to give Golden some credit for that "9 win" season...well congrats, he's the recipient of the "prettiest fat girl" trophy for beating up on ****ty *** teams.

You want examples to the contrary? Saban turned Bama into a powerhouse and returned them to glory almost overnight.MIKE SHULA won 10 games with bama 2 seasons before saban arrived What about Malzahn taking an Auburn team WHICH WAS FRESH OFF A 3-9 SEASON Auburn won a national title how long ago? to the big show? Miami is the definition of a sleeping giant and even at the worst of worst times...should never lose to the Duke and Virginia's of the world.

Get the **** out of here with this loser mentality that the Don Bailey jr crowd on these boards clings to....coaching at the University of Miami is NOTHING like any of the jobs you referenced above. You're comparing apples and synthetic ****ing oranges.

the point is... neither of those teams were in the larry coker randy shannon spiral of poor recruiting and terrible coaching for 7+ years before the "saviors" came in to have success.. being that we haven't been good in forever, I don't see why anyone would think we can fix it that quickly.

Trolling at it's finest. Can't even take you seriously.

 

[DaU83]

Calm down. Do you need more time with Nix? Does he need 4 years at Miami to fully judge? IM. O, if Coach D wa7 the "guy" then we would see something better than we have in year 3. It is tough to defend him when we had everything to play for and we let up 90 points combined to VT and Duke.

3 years is time. He has had a ton of time.

As for Narduzzi (assuming he started off bad), so what. One guy, one time. The reason that most coaches don't get that many years to show something is because people believe they have seen enough and have higher expectations after analyzing the data. 3 years is a lot, 3 years is at least 36 games. That is a tremendous data sample to judge. After 3 years if there is ONLY minimal improvement (minimal improvement from crap), that doesn't mean a 4th year is the answer. It usually means a 4th year is a waste and throwing good money at a bad investment (i.e. wasting time).

It isn't pointless to fire him because the data at Miami shows little evidence that he can coach a quality defense. People who believe this would rather implement the new defense NOW rather than wait a year to see _________ at the end of 2014. At the end of the year, we will either see: (a) further evidence of the last 3 years i.e. poor defense, or (b) minimal improvement but still not enough to have the defense we need to win, or (c) a dramatic improvement demonstrating he should be our DC.

It isn't pointless to fire him because of Trend Analysis. It isn't pointless to fire him if he can't coach a defense. There is no reason to wait another full year to see (a) or (b). In addition, AT MIAMI there is no proof that Coach D can make a dramatic improvement.

If your telling me that on March 18, 2014 that it is pointless to fire him now because we're in the middle of spring football and a transition NOW may be pointless and hurt the season, that is one thing.

But we saw UL, we saw Duke and we saw VT. Perhaps after the bowl game it wasn't pointless...this is what people are saying. People are also saying your Narduzzi example (if true) is just an exception and not the rule.

Not really the exception to the rule.
D'onofrio at Temple is another example.
Golden at UVA another
Took Cutcliffe 7 years to have a breakout year at Duke.
Examples are plenty

Sorry brother...but this is easily one of the worst posts in the relative short history of this board.

Examples are plenty? All the examples you just gave are at schools THAT AREN'T UPPER ECHELON FOOTBALL PROGRAMS. It's a **** of a lot easier taking a horrible team and making them average, or above average...than it is to do well at a BIG TIME PROGRAM while playing against BIG TIME COMPETITION. The fact Golden is 1-11 against the only 12 quality teams he's played in his 3 years here is pretty much the end of any argument.

Spare us with the Golden at Temple crap while you're at it....that mythical "9 win" season is the definition of a FRAUD. The majority of those 9 wins came against horrible competition. That's not even mentioning the fact that Golden never won that ****ty *** conference. You want to give Golden some credit for that "9 win" season...well congrats, he's the recipient of the "prettiest fat girl" trophy for beating up on ****ty *** teams.

You want examples to the contrary? Saban turned Bama into a powerhouse and returned them to glory almost overnight.MIKE SHULA won 10 games with bama 2 seasons before saban arrived What about Malzahn taking an Auburn team WHICH WAS FRESH OFF A 3-9 SEASON Auburn won a national title how long ago? to the big show? Miami is the definition of a sleeping giant and even at the worst of worst times...should never lose to the Duke and Virginia's of the world.

Get the **** out of here with this loser mentality that the Don Bailey jr crowd on these boards clings to....coaching at the University of Miami is NOTHING like any of the jobs you referenced above. You're comparing apples and synthetic ****ing oranges.

the point is... neither of those teams were in the larry coker randy shannon spiral of poor recruiting and terrible coaching for 7+ years before the "saviors" came in to have success.. being that we haven't been good in forever, I don't see why anyone would think we can fix it that quickly.

Trolling at it's finest. Can't even take you seriously.

that's what i'd say too if I had no reasonable retort. you can't compare the amount of futility we've had here to programs who within the last 2-3 years of their coach arriving, have had success.. it's not the same.

 

[LexCane55]

The increases in talent may help us just out talent some teams, but I dont think its going to do anything vs the good teams

We need All-World talent for that and we dont have that type of a roster

I didn't realize they had all world talent at temple.

To his point, they weren't playing against the type of talent we will face. When they faced superior talent, they mostly failed. The biggest question right now is what we will do, consistently, when we face teams with equal or superior talent?

It's a fair question.

Being able to scheme and coach vs Mac teams is completely different than beating Florida State.

Every good team we have played the last two years has dropped close 40 on us. And teams with a lot less talent have contained them. If you have a well coached offense you should torch us.

We line up DEs on slot WRs. We have no idea how to cover crossing routes. So because he turned Temple into a competitive program I shouldnt be worried.

Stating improvement of defensive statistics is a joke. 48 points for Duke. 41 for FSU. We gave up 42 points to Logan fing Thomas. We regularly gave us 500 yards in games. I dont care if we went from 120 to 88 or w/e it was. There was not a noticeable improvement in our defense.

It is a lot easier to take a team from laughing stock to competitive than it is to be a national title contender which is the goal here.

 

[LexCane55]

I didn't realize they had all world talent at temple.

To his point, they weren't playing against the type of talent we will face. When they faced superior talent, they mostly failed. The biggest question right now is what we will do, consistently, when we face teams with equal or superior talent?

It's a fair question.

But. we won't have that type of talent, so it's a pretty terrible question. Our talent will be relative to that of our competition, as it was for them at temple. Al was recruiting some of the better classes in the MAC, as we're doing here with regards to the ACC. Reasonable heads may use that knowledge, and history, in order to extrapolate. Which is both valid and reasonable.

That's what scares me. There isn't [currently] a lot of evidence that Coach Golden and crew will beat teams with comparable or superior talent, as we'll presumably face in Championship-type games.

UF was as talented a team that we will face. So there is some evidence of Golden and crew doing it.

UF that went 4-8 and lost to Georgia Southern??? When you using that as the example for he can win. You know its weak.

Plus UF outgained us 2 to 1 in that game

 

[CaneAlmighty]

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Spare us with the Golden at Temple crap while you're at it....that mythical "9 win" season is the definition of a FRAUD. The majority of those 9 wins came against horrible competition. That's not even mentioning the fact that Golden never won that ****ty *** conference. You want to give Golden some credit for that "9 win" season...well congrats, he's the recipient of the "prettiest fat girl" trophy for beating up on ****ty *** teams.

Not sure I get your logic since the schedules from when Golden arrived and was winning 1, 4, 5 games his first 3 years respectively were the same as the ones when he won 9 and 8 his final 2 years.
So if the variable (schedule) stayed the same yet wins improved he must have been doing something right, right?

 

[Jedi Master Cane]

Not really the exception to the rule.
D'onofrio at Temple is another example.
Golden at UVA another
Took Cutcliffe 7 years to have a breakout year at Duke.
Examples are plenty

Sorry brother...but this is easily one of the worst posts in the relative short history of this board.

Examples are plenty? All the examples you just gave are at schools THAT AREN'T UPPER ECHELON FOOTBALL PROGRAMS. It's a **** of a lot easier taking a horrible team and making them average, or above average...than it is to do well at a BIG TIME PROGRAM while playing against BIG TIME COMPETITION. The fact Golden is 1-11 against the only 12 quality teams he's played in his 3 years here is pretty much the end of any argument.

Spare us with the Golden at Temple crap while you're at it....that mythical "9 win" season is the definition of a FRAUD. The majority of those 9 wins came against horrible competition. That's not even mentioning the fact that Golden never won that ****ty *** conference. You want to give Golden some credit for that "9 win" season...well congrats, he's the recipient of the "prettiest fat girl" trophy for beating up on ****ty *** teams.

You want examples to the contrary? Saban turned Bama into a powerhouse and returned them to glory almost overnight.MIKE SHULA won 10 games with bama 2 seasons before saban arrived What about Malzahn taking an Auburn team WHICH WAS FRESH OFF A 3-9 SEASON Auburn won a national title how long ago? to the big show? Miami is the definition of a sleeping giant and even at the worst of worst times...should never lose to the Duke and Virginia's of the world.

Get the **** out of here with this loser mentality that the Don Bailey jr crowd on these boards clings to....coaching at the University of Miami is NOTHING like any of the jobs you referenced above. You're comparing apples and synthetic ****ing oranges.

the point is... neither of those teams were in the larry coker randy shannon spiral of poor recruiting and terrible coaching for 7+ years before the "saviors" came in to have success.. being that we haven't been good in forever, I don't see why anyone would think we can fix it that quickly.

Trolling at it's finest. Can't even take you seriously.

that's what i'd say too if I had no reasonable retort. you can't compare the amount of futility we've had here to programs who within the last 2-3 years of their coach arriving, have had success.. it's not the same.

No...that's just what I say when I realize it's not worth feeding a troll. Going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not THAT unintelligent. Miami was in no way in bad enough shape where losing to Duke by double digits, losing to V Tech at home by double digits, and almost losing to Wake is/was acceptable.

If you REALLY think Duke had better talent then it's not even worth arguing any further....that simply makes you a blind cheerleader who ignores the facts.

1-11 against the only 12 team he's faced with a pulse. Take that stat and print it out, grab a couple of magnets....and stick it on your fridge at home. Once it sinks it...come back.