Conference Realignment Thread

In order for there to be four super conferences, the Big 12 must dissolve. I am not hating on the Big 12 but the pac 12 needs 4 teams to reach 16.

ACC 16 - Norte Dame, U Cincinnati or Navy
PAC 16 - Texas, Baylor, Oklahoma, Oklahoma st or Texas Tech
SEC 16 - West Va, East Carolina or Kansas St
BIG 16 - Kansas, Missouri, or UConn
 
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This is just the short brief on ACC vs B12 "Third-Tier" Media Rights that. Turns out the B12 isn't that much different than the ACC with Media. This is the main reason driving FSU to want move to the Big 12 since they think they get to own their Third Tier Media Rights";

In the ACC, “third-tier rights” consist of select (not all) women’s basketball, baseball and Olympic sports events (volleyball, soccer, track & field, softball, etc). ESPN (the ACC’s first and second-tier rights holder) is allowed to broadcast every ACC sporting event it chooses from the ACC football championship game on down to Florida State’s women’s soccer game vs. Stetson – if it wanted to. All games ESPN does not broadcast – the vast majority of women’s basketball, baseball and Olympic sports events – revert back to the individual schools to do with what they choose. Clemson, as an example, sells some of its third-tier baseball games to the regional sports network CSS.

In the Big 12, “third tier rights” consist of all those select women’s basketball, baseball and Olympic sports games as well as one select football game per season (the least desirable one) and a few select men’s basketball games (also, the least desirable ones). ESPN owns the Big 12 first-tier rights while Fox has its second-tier and the individual schools, the third.

Adding to the confusion is that many, but not all, people consider coaches’ shows, radio broadcast rights, and internet streaming rights to be “third-tier rights.” All ACC and Big 12 schools have full individual ownership over those rights, however Pac-12 schools granted those rights back to their conference. (According to the Orlando Sentinel and Tallahassee Democrat, FSU presently makes roughly $6.5 million per year from this inventory and there’s no reason to believe that would change in the Big 12.)

This is where the complaints from those Florida State people who gripe about the shortcomings of the ACC’s TV contract relative to the Big 12’s TV deal in the way it handles third-tier rights fall apart: Oklahoma and Texas both have strong TV deals for their third-tier media rights WITHOUT needing to include as an absolute necessity a football game to seal the relationships.

Does FSU have a football game to provide a TV network in a third-tier media rights deal? No. Does FSU need a football game to provide a TV network in a third-tier media rights deal? Oklahoma didn’t. So what’s preventing FSU from landing a similar deal, is it the ACC or FSU’s lack of aggression, hustle, creativity, brand power and relationships in pitching its properties to TV networks?

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"I’ll bottom line this for those of you who think FSU should dump the ACC for the Big 12 because the Big 12 would allow the Noles to reap huge profits from their third-tier rights. If FSU left the ACC for the Big 12 the only additional athletic inventory it would have to offer a TV network is its worst football game and three or four additional men’s basketball games. How much money do you think the Seminoles stand to gain from the ability to sell their football game vs. Savannah State and men’s basketball games against Indiana University of Pennsylvania, Georgia Southwestern, Jacksonville, and UNC-Greensboro?"

http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2012/05/third-tier-rights-defined-perspective-on-their-value/
 
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So the Big East is probably officially dead...

The ACC could be the next to fall....

How would we feel about this:

NEW BIG 12(14)
EAST
Miami
FSU
Clemson
VaTech
Texas
Baylor
West Virginia

WEST
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
TCU
Texas Tech
Iowa St
Kansas St
Kansas
 
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Your East division is way harder than your West Division. I would swap Texas with TCU.

So the Big East is probably officially dead...

The ACC could be the next to fall....

How would we feel about this:

NEW BIG 12(14)
EAST
Miami
FSU
Clemson
VaTech
Texas
Baylor
West Virginia

WEST
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
TCU
Texas Tech
Iowa St
Kansas St
Kansas
 
So the Big East is probably officially dead...

The ACC could be the next to fall....

How would we feel about this:

NEW BIG 12(14)
EAST
Miami
FSU
Clemson
VaTech
Texas
Louisville
Kentucky

WEST
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
TCU
Texas Tech
Vandy
Kansas St
Kansas

THAT'S HOW IT'S GOING DOWN
 
I also don't like this because we'd have to give up the Orange Bowl game. Home field advantage is good.
 
A little info. Rick Scott is now convinced that FSU in the SEC makes sense for Florida and its economy. He is going to pressure (demand) UF's President to lobby for FSU to get an invite to SEC. This is not speculation. The fallback is the Big 12. FSU is NOT staying in the ACC after this year. EVERYONE at the top supports a move, and if Rick Scott has any sway, it will be to the SEC.
 
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I'll feed the troll... Just watched lord of the rings for the first time and I feel like trolls kind if fall into that genre...

If I were FSU/UF, I'd have an alternating 3 neutral site games in 6 years kind of series. Home-neutral-away-neutral etc... I'd pick Jacksonville, Tampa, and Miami as the sites. I think it would make business sense for each school. As a Miami fan, I'd kick, scream, and start a petition to keep those rednecks from doing that at Pro-Robbie-Phins Estadio
 
If I'm UM, I cancel all football/baseball/hoops series with F$U if they leave the ACC.
Let them enjoy their new conference, but no way we should help them maintain any form
of presence in soFla.
 
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I hope the ACC sucks already in before the idiots say something like "Good, they will never win the SEC. All we have to do is when the ACC and we are going to win the championship game".
 
If FSU goes anywhere it'll be to the Big 12 not SEC.

SEC has no incentive to bring them in.
 
If FSU goes anywhere it'll be to the Big 12 not SEC.

SEC has no incentive to bring them in.

I think this is it. It's all about media markets. Those in power in the SEC already believe that they have the "Florida" market, whatever that means.
 
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Best for the Florida economy???!!!?!?....says who and what study? The state has bigger problems than for Rick Scott to be pushing this. Idiot Missouri Grad
 
Most of the big football names of the Big East have left, and so have the "Catholic 7" (non-football schools). Now some of their would-be additions are considering staying in their respective conferences. With the Big East either dead or severely weakened, there are now 5 major conferences, but many feel there is only room for 4 as conferences continue raiding others.
The ACC has been speculated by many as that 5th conference, namely after Maryland announced their departure. However, this time last year people felt the Big XII was in graver danger after Texas A&M and Missouri left a year after Nebraska and Colorado bolted. There has been speculation about top names in the ACC leaving (namely Florida State and Virginia Tech), but the Big XII is very top-heavy with Texas and Oklahoma. Moreover, with only 10 members the conference is heavily leveraged, and all signs point to the Big XII trying to stay at 10 and not trying to go back to 12 for a conference championship. One of those two leaving would certainly cause a domino effect of schools leaving to find a more stable home.
The problem with my speculation, however, is that it's more likely that other conferences raid the Big XII instead of the ACC. Texas once flirted with the idea of going to the Pac-12 or B1G, and the SEC certainly wouldn't mind adding it. If Oklahoma left, it would most likely be to the SEC, but the other two might have some interest. I think the Pac-12 has settled with their expansion plans, but we all know James Delaney won't rest until he's caught them all. The former Big 8 schools seem like logical additions to the B1G, especially after Nebraska left. West Virginia stands out as a logical fit for the ACC given rivalries with Pitt and Virginia Tech, but they just joined the Big XII; it's unlikely they jump again out of the blue.
Probably the best strategy the ACC could use to reverse the trend would be to somehow snag Texas. The LHN could pose an obstacle, but given the ACC's willingness to add Notre Dame without their football team it's not out of the realm of possibility. The addition of Texas satisfies the ACC's biggest flight risks. Oklahoma then runs to the SEC (with someone else, most likely OSU, to get to 16), forcing the other Big XII to sink or swim (probably to the B1G or MW). ACC adds West Virginia as well to get football to 16.
 
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