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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

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Hold My Beer said:
No school in either of the two true power conferences is getting kicked out.

The expense of competing at the highest level is just the cost of doing business for an institution like Duke or Northwestern. They wouldn't dare let their brands be damaged by competing in a league full of second- and third-rate brands, e.g. Stanford and Cal ditching Wazzu and Oregon State to become the Bingo Long Traveling All-Stars of the ACC.

Even a less-resourced lower tier P2 school like a Mississippi State would shutter its library and sell the books before it would drop out of the SEC
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We'll see.
 
one98d said:
I didn't read anywhere about the bill you're talking about that would change the Board of Governors power to allow or disallow a member institution to leave their respective conference. The article below reads that if the Board of Governors does allow UNC to leave the ACC, that they are legally obligated to play NC State in various sports including football. To me it just seems like the NC government is doing all it can to provide roadblocks in keeping UNC and NC State in the ACC.

www.wral.com

With realignment in mind, new bill would require UNC, NC State to play annually in multiple sports

The Tar Heels and Wolfpack are both members of the Atlantic Coast Conference, but the league's long-term future has been questioned.
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It referenced "the new bill" which would require UNC to play NC State in 4 sports ... in the event UNC leaves the ACC. So they are officially establishing a formal mechanism that would ENABLE UNC to leave. Not a coincidence. They are doing what is best for UNC financially and keeping a level of visibility for NC St.
 
CW Lambert is making a new projection / speculation ... "The SEC will expedite taking FSU, Clemson & UNC, and then ND will replace their ACC scheduling agreement with a scheduling agreement with the SEC for the southern exposure and the B10 will not be able to compete". "Never trust a leprechaun".
 
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Rickd said:
To the contrary ... that new bill ... if approved ... opens the door for UNC to leave the ACC without being hindered by NC State ... just has to play them in OOC games in 4 sports. "Coincidence" that this new bill is being tabled now? Don't believe in coincidences.
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I wouldn't put too much stock in a bill cooked up by some state legislators in North Carolina.

Sankey, Petitti and the top school administrators are keeping a tight lid on the process. Some part-time politician worried about NC State or ECU or App State getting left behind in the process of realignment is most certainly not in the know.

We all would be if that was the case
 
Hold My Beer said:
I wouldn't put too much stock in a bill cooked up by some state legislators in North Carolina.

Sankey, Petitti and the top school administrators are keeping a tight lid on the process. Some part-time politician worried about NC State or ECU or App State getting left behind in the process of realignment is most certainly not in the know.

We all would be if that was the case
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Well, the bill, if approved, certainly facilitate what the conferences want ... being able to take UNC without NC State being part of the deal ... that is a deal breaker.
 
Rickd said:
CW Lambert is making a new projection / speculation ... "The SEC will expedite taking FSU, Clemson & UNC, and then ND will replace their ACC scheduling agreement with a scheduling agreement with the SEC for the southern exposure and the B10 will not be able to compete". "Never trust a leprechaun".
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DAN RAD working it behind the SCENES
 
Rickd said:
Well, the bill, if approved, certainly facilitate what the conferences want ... being able to take UNC without NC State being part of the deal ... that is a deal breaker.
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By conferences, do you mean the B1G, the SEC or both?

Who or what is the source for assuming the SEC doesn't want NC State?
 
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Hold My Beer said:
By conferences, do you mean the B1G, the SEC or both?

Who or what is the source for assuming the SEC doesn't want NC State?
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Realignment conferences desired (aka P2) ... SEC and B10. "Sauces" = general discussion over the past 2+ years on realignment in which the prime ACC properties have been identified as FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC with NC State having been totally dismissed UNLESS required as a +1 due to state legislation issues ... that are lessened to a large degree by the pending new bill. Both conferences are interested in $$$$ and the $$$$ is tied to programming value of brands and network evaluation and approval. NC State adds no value to either P2 conference and would be a major dilution factor.
 
Rickd said:
Realignment conferences desired (aka P2) ... SEC and B10. "Sauces" = general discussion over the past 2+ years on realignment in which the prime ACC properties have been identified as FSU, Clemson, Miami, UNC
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The same folks who victory lapped it after ESPN opted in with the ACC a couple months ago, confidently assuring us Jim Phillips and his conference would be safe from any poaching to at least 2031?


Rickd said:
... with NC State having been totally dismissed UNLESS required as a +1 due to state legislation issues
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Well that's a heck of a caveat right there.

Declare "the SEC won't take NC State" followed with the fine-print CYA stipulation "unless required to as a +1 due to state legislation issues"

In other words, the sources don't know what the SEC decision-makers do or do or don't have in store for NC State (or Virginia Tech for that matter)
 
More spaghetti being thrown at the wall. I guess we'll see what (if any) sticks.

I'm thinking the wall is greasy so it falls on the floor like most thrown before it.
 
JD08 said:
True CIS posters are never wrong, they're just less right than other times.
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return of the jedi episode 6 GIF by Star Wars
 
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Hold My Beer said:
The same folks who victory lapped it after ESPN opted in with the ACC a couple months ago, confidently assuring us Jim Phillips and his conference would be safe from any poaching to at least 2031?




Well that's a heck of a caveat right there.

Declare "the SEC won't take NC State" followed with the fine-print CYA stipulation "unless required to as a +1 due to state legislation issues"

In other words, the sources don't know what the SEC decision-makers do or do or don't have in store for NC State (or Virginia Tech for that matter)
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You're misreading ... to date it has been commented that the ONLY WAY NC State would make it to the P2 ... because of the NC regulatory issues ... is as a +1 along with UNC. HOWEVER with the passage of the proposed bill ... that would no longer be necessary ... UNC will be required to play NC State in 4 sports regardless of conference affiliation. THAT modification facilitates UNC's departure WITHOUT have State attached. That is a reason that many are looking at that new bill as additional smoke to the "UNC to the SEC" soon. Jim Phillips and his conference "might be safe" ... but since there is now a SPECIFIC EXIT FEE beginning at $168M with media rights for any team that wants out for the 2026 season ... there are no guarantees as to what the conference make up might be. FSU (and any program that wants out) won big time with the "settlement". Now it is simply up to the networks to determine who they are willing to pay for ... and when.
 
CaneinBroward said:
More spaghetti being thrown at the wall. I guess we'll see what (if any) sticks.

I'm thinking the wall is greasy so it falls on the floor like most thrown before it.
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Big change though after the ACC lost (settled) ... any school that wants to leave can leave with media rights for a reasonable exit fee ... the ball is 100% in the networks hands now to decide who and when ... that wasn't the case just a month ago.
 
Rickd said:
Big change though after the ACC lost (settled) ... any school that wants to leave can leave with media rights for a reasonable exit fee ... the ball is 100% in the networks hands now to decide who and when ... that wasn't the case just a month ago.
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Understood. I just still think it's a bit early. From the TV network POV, I think they'll want to see how the ROI on the latest TV deals are trending before green lighting another $100M per year.

Maybe an announcement in a couple of years with play starting in 2028 or 2029 would be my guess, but never say never.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
We'll see.
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This "realignment" process could very well be long fused and after 1-2 rounds of "conventional realignment" (teams leaving the ACC / B12 to join the P2) between now and 2030 ... we might very well see a further split 8-10 years down the road in the form of a "super league" of 48-50 teams in which the top brands split off from conference affiliation for football. In that scenario the bottom teams in both the SEC and B10 would be culled from the big money earned by the super league participants in football.
 
CaneinBroward said:
Understood. I just still think it's a bit early. From the TV network POV, I think they'll want to see how the ROI on the latest TV deals are trending before green lighting another $100M per year.

Maybe an announcement in a couple of years with play starting in 2028 or 2029 would be my guess, but never say never.
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Interesting that Gene Williams, Warchant founder / editor, just posted a video yesterday stating that his sources indicate that FSU is currently IN negotiations with the Big 10 regarding a potential move much earlier than the 2030 date, possibly as early as the 2027 season. "Negotiations" being the key phrase ... what % of a partial share for a few years ... being a key in making economics work. Carriage fees provide a huge $$ bump for FOX in getting a Big 10 school in Florida .. so the $$ is there. He believes Sankey is prepared to step in if FSU indicates they are ready to accept a B10 offer, so he says he doesn't really know which conference FSU will end up in ... but he believes they are playing in another conference by the 2027 season.
 
Rickd said:
Interesting that Gene Williams, Warchant founder / editor, just posted a video yesterday stating that his sources indicate that FSU is currently IN negotiations with the Big 10 regarding a potential move much earlier than the 2030 date, possibly as early as the 2027 season. "Negotiations" being the key phrase ... what % of a partial share for a few years ... being a key in making economics work. Carriage fees provide a huge $$ bump for FOX in getting a Big 10 school in Florida .. so the $$ is there. He believes Sankey is prepared to step in if FSU indicates they are ready to accept a B10 offer, so he says he doesn't really know which conference FSU will end up in ... but he believes they are playing in another conference by the 2027 season.
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The big10 is not in negotiations with any ACC school YET. The settlement is not even completely finalized yet. And, even if it were, FSU is not the school the Big10 would be calling first. Warchant also reported multiple times that FSU would already be out of ACC with multiple avenues or dates. Not saying FSU doesn't eventually end up there, but i can tell you with absolute professional certainty that no negotiations are currently occurring. Do with that what you will. Theres definitely booster lobbying going on behind the scenes with certain schools and certain conferences but thats not negotiations. Thats hoping to convince the conferences to enter into conversations. Lots of misinformation out there and you will drive yourself nuts if you ride the roller coaster. All that matters is getting into P2. Sooner the better but no one is leaving in next 12 months.
 
Canesfan1993 said:
The big10 is not in negotiations with any ACC school YET. The settlement is not even completely finalized yet. And, even if it were, FSU is not the school the Big10 would be calling first. Warchant also reported multiple times that FSU would already be out of ACC with multiple avenues or dates. Not saying FSU doesn't eventually end up there, but i can tell you with absolute professional certainty that no negotiations are currently occurring. Do with that what you will. Theres definitely booster lobbying going on behind the scenes with certain schools and certain conferences but thats not negotiations. Thats hoping to convince the conferences to enter into conversations. Lots of misinformation out there and you will drive yourself nuts if you ride the roller coaster. All that matters is getting into P2. Sooner the better but no one is leaving in next 12 months.
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So ... in your opinion ... what ACC school is the first one on the B10 list? (not including ND). How close are you personally to individuals involved or is what you state 100% personal opinion?
 
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