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WHY do YOU randomly capitalize do you THINK it helps get MIAMI to the BIG 10? If so we all NEED to
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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations
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I know I'm the last person who should say ANYTHING about a longer post, but I just wanted to give some EXTRA kudos for this first paragraph. It's something that a lot of our fans haven't yet grasped.
On a surface level, it might seem like "we are all the same", we are just 15 ACC schools with equal rights and benefits.
But when it comes to GETTING THE **** OUT, there may be a fundamentally different set of numbers (fees, penalties, settlements, assistance) that impact SOME schools differently than others. The most obvious factor is that ANY school from the ACC that goes to the SEC might have an "easier pathway" because ESPN is just "transferring" one media property (a university) from the ACC left pocket to the SEC right pocket.
Which, again, may be different from what the Big 10/Fox/CBS/NBC/the-university-itself might have to arrange for to shift an ACC school into the Big 10.
And, as I've said all along, this is why you can't just "let F$U and Clemson sue on your behalf". We have no SOLID idea how many invitations the SEC will issue, and how many the Big 10 will issue. But we DO know that the treatment will not be the same.
So if we have ANY SHOT of getting the best possible deal FOR MIAMI, we need to file OUR OWN lawsuit, and not just leech off of others.
Because yesterday's price is not today's price. Or tomorrow's.
We have to look out for Miami, first and foremost. And that involves doing OUR OWN legal filings.
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I'm down with every smart poster on this thread. If I said something repetitive and/or similar to what someone else has said previously, I apologize.
I've fallen (a bit) behind lately, we just closed a big acquisition today (will be announced Monday) and I've been DEEP in the due diligence and negotiations.
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I MEAN thE CApitlIZation RANdoM ness
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Felonious Monk
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I'M not saying we should kill him.
I'm NOT saying we should kill him.
I'm not SAYING we should kill him.
I'm not saying WE should kill him.
I'm not saying we SHOULD kill him.
I'm not saying we should KILL him.
I'm not saying we should kill HIM.
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Maybe just once in my life time we actually are the quiet ppl making moves. Every team they have added has been quiet until the day it’s announced
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Flo also says it is his belief that none of this will matter in 5-6 years. The entire structure etc of college football will change. IF Miami ends up in the Big12 it’s only for a few years.I did not distort any baseline. He said his belief is the decision is purely about money, not making the fans happy or perception [presumably meaning the perception of joining a weaker conference]. He says his “sources” would know if UM has an invitation to the P2. Then he says UM hasn’t made a decision and reiterates this will be about money.
You would have to be a special kind of stupid to not understand that he’s implying that Big 12 may be offering a competitive financial package and that he thinks UM doesn’t care if fans feel the Big 12 sucks- if it is offering more money, then Flo thinks UM will pick the Big 12. The only way I can explain how the Big 12 could offer more money is if the B1G isn’t offering full shares. If you have a problem with that, then write Flo and tell him you know more than him.
And as @TooColdToHold posted, now Josh Pate is hinting that the Big12 is looking to make a power move and will take a run at Miami. He said exactly what I said- the Big 12 commissioner is the best in the P5. Don’t underestimate him.
I tend to agree that 50% shares in the B1G are still better than full shares in the Big 12. But if the B1G offers less than 50% or the Big 12 somehow offers UM more than full shares , my super controversial opinion is that it’s a tougher choice. This playing out pretty much like I said it would weeks ago.
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RoboCane
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I’ll take a guess on this. Maybe the number the ACC offered to Clemson wasn’t reasonable to Clemson and they felt like they were getting screwed with. Who knows?
I do however enjoy seeing UNC in turmoil.
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Yup. But I have to warn you- don’t you dare do any critical thinking and consider whether full shares for five years in the Big 12 might be better than 3-4 years of 50% shares in the B1G when you end up in a combined megaconference either way 5 years from now. The assclowns won’t like it.
Your nonsense of thinking your are a persecuted elite mind is getting a bit old. Christ take a break. You have a persecution complex? ****!!
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Yeah, this would be a terrible bet to make. You go to a P2 now. You don’t wait. You certainly don’t go to a non-P2 conference for slightly more money with a full share vs a partial share with the hope that all of CFB will change and make realignment essentially moot.
I don’t believe admin would take that route. If thinking has changed though and they do, it would be a monumentally stupid decision.
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Actually just don’t act like a little know it all *****, double down on being a *****, continue to bring up being a *****, make the thread about how much of a ***** you are being, and then be so out of touch that you start crying when people call you out for being a *****.
Just don’t do that. It has nothing to do with critical thinking.
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Awww, does it bother you that much that I’ve called it exactly right since the beginning? Assclowns like you dont
like me because I don’t sugarcoat the facts instead of saying what people want to hear. I will always remember the words your mom told me after the gangbang, “Its like Plato said- no one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.” (She’s a well read, classy ho. Also, you might want to be nicer to me as there is a decent chance that I’m your real dad)
It’s my cross to bear, but someone has to push back against the fake insiders peddling bull****.
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hesskilla
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Awww, does it bother you that much that I’ve called it exactly right since the beginning? Assclowns like you dont
like me because I don’t sugarcoat the facts instead of saying what people want to hear. I will always remember the words your mom told me after the gangbang, “Its like Plato said- no one is more hated than he who speaks the truth.” (She’s a well read, classy ho. Also, you might want to be nicer to me as there is a decent chance that I’m your real dad)
It’s my cross to bear, but someone has to push back against the fake insiders peddling bull****.
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off topic but Doc Holiday is a top 5 character of all time
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It is quite odd- when I mentioned assclowns, you apparently felt I was talking about you and are the ONLY poster who reacted to it. Within minutes of my post you wrote your childish insults even though I have no idea who you are, and I’ve never exchanged a message with you previously. So clearly you do value my opinion- which to your credit is the first smart thing you’ve done as my opinion is correct.
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If you follow @Genetics56 on X, he's made it quite clear Miami will not be getting a P2 invite. He claims to be a well-placed insider - perhaps he is, perhaps he is not. I'd recommend reviewing his feed before making a judgement either way. But I get the sense that it is more than just "Miami is not as valuable as it once was." Rather, there is real movement to keep Miami out of the P2. Once Miami voted to let Cal, Stanford, and SMU join and also voted to let the ACC sue FSU, he was very public about not wanting Miami in the P2. (Funny he never said that about the other schools, but whatever.) He claims that the networks are not really interested in Miami (especially FOX).
His argument is that the P2 will break away, the rest will be left with a G8, and the G8 will be a "minor league" for CFB where players can develop and jump to the P2 to improve draft stock. He "lovingly" calls it the "kiddie table," a step above FCS tier football. ACC leftovers, B12, CUSA, etc., would get CW-network type deals, play on ESPN+, occasional regional TV exposure on odd nights (Tuesdays, Wednesdays) while B1G and SEC games dominate regional and national markets.
But obviously what concerns me is the underlying theme that, regardless of Miami's performance this year, they will be "locked out" of the P2 because there are schools/conferences/networks that want to see that. We might want to dismiss that out of hand because we remember the days when Miami drew big audiences (occasionally fans to the stadium too) and always want to say, "When Miami wins, people watch."
But is that enough? Culturally, Miami is unique. Small private school, small alumni base, South Florida - in some ways similar to USC but without the long tradition and rivalries (at least as long as USC-Notre Dame). And what's more, I don't find it implausible that there is a deep hatred, even loathing of the program. We joke, "The hate is real," but maybe it is not a joke.
Perhaps I'm just paranoid, but reading this guy and others, I don't get the sense that all Miami has to do is "win." A CFP playoff birth this year would not be enough to overcome the prejudice.
His argument is that the P2 will break away, the rest will be left with a G8, and the G8 will be a "minor league" for CFB where players can develop and jump to the P2 to improve draft stock. He "lovingly" calls it the "kiddie table," a step above FCS tier football. ACC leftovers, B12, CUSA, etc., would get CW-network type deals, play on ESPN+, occasional regional TV exposure on odd nights (Tuesdays, Wednesdays) while B1G and SEC games dominate regional and national markets.
But obviously what concerns me is the underlying theme that, regardless of Miami's performance this year, they will be "locked out" of the P2 because there are schools/conferences/networks that want to see that. We might want to dismiss that out of hand because we remember the days when Miami drew big audiences (occasionally fans to the stadium too) and always want to say, "When Miami wins, people watch."
But is that enough? Culturally, Miami is unique. Small private school, small alumni base, South Florida - in some ways similar to USC but without the long tradition and rivalries (at least as long as USC-Notre Dame). And what's more, I don't find it implausible that there is a deep hatred, even loathing of the program. We joke, "The hate is real," but maybe it is not a joke.
Perhaps I'm just paranoid, but reading this guy and others, I don't get the sense that all Miami has to do is "win." A CFP playoff birth this year would not be enough to overcome the prejudice.
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