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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

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5NC4 said:
Agreed, the B1G will still pay more and their TV contract gets renegotiated sooner. It would be a total no brainer to go B1G if the offer is on the table.
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Miami and BigTen have been sexting for awhile

I’m not saying Clemson won’t go to the BigTen, but for reasons that have been outlined almost a year ago, BigTen is more interested in Miami than Clemson in a vacuum
 
Cane6 said:
Miami and BigTen have been sexting for awhile

I’m not saying Clemson won’t go to the BigTen, but for reasons that have been outlined almost a year ago, BigTen is more interested in Miami than Clemson in a vacuum
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Clemson does not have the academic acumen to be considered for B1G membership.
Not an AAU member and does not have a Medical School.
 
Canesrule230 said:
So flo just asked the question if we would rather take 50% share of big10 (30-40M) vs big12 full shares (40-50M). With the context that in 6 years we would go P2.

He also said Miami’s position will be leaking out in the next few weeks.

I don’t know how accurate those numbers are but wondering if any of the insiders had heard anything like that. I personally would take the b10 offer and move on - we can’t afford to be left out.
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Flo was insistent that the B12 offer was larger in the short term and it wasn't a mistake. He seemed to be implying why not take the full B12 share now then join the B10 with a full share in a couple of years. There are multiple problems with this approach:

  1. There's absolutely no guarantee that the B10 will accept you in a couple of years when all the spots are full
  2. If you fail to get into the P2, your program is doomed to irrelevancy
  3. The B12 money will dry up when the networks focus on the P2.
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Flo also was saying/implying the B12 schedule would overall be stronger? Don't get that at all. Without Texas and OK, what does the B12 offer from a marquee or even mid-tier standpoint?

He also said FSU would continue to schedule us even after moving to the B10. I just can't see them having a B10 schedule and then guaranteed UF/FSU OOC schedule each year. Suspect something (us) would need to give as they're legally required to play UF yearly.
 
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B10 only. Under no conditions should Miami ever consider the B12. The programming ... visibility ... recruiting ... the B10 and SEC will totally dominate within 4 years on a level that has not been experienced. The "leftover leagues" will simply become transfer portal talent suppliers for the P2, with most "proven" players transferring after they actually produce.
 
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Badbart43 said:
And Clemson has chosen the absolute WRONG moment to not engage in the transfer portal/NIL era...irrelevance is gaining ground on Dabo
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I agree... Miami + FSU adds more value to B1G then FSU + Clemson.

Winning all of Florida is way bigger than part of Florida + part of SC..I still think South Carolina actually has more SC fans than Clemson fans. Once Clemson falls back to just average or even slightly above average, their value to networks will plummet.
 
The North Carolina schools are squirming

It was only a matter of time until they joined the fight

 
lindend said:
Flo was insistent that the B12 offer was larger in the short term and it wasn't a mistake. He seemed to be implying why not take the full B12 share now then join the B10 with a full share in a couple of years. There are multiple problems with this approach:

  1. There's absolutely no guarantee that the B10 will accept you in a couple of years when all the spots are full
  2. If you fail to get into the P2, your program is doomed to irrelevancy
  3. The B12 money will dry up when the networks focus on the P2.
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Like I said love him and his shows and takes but IMO he’s off on the numbers and in a generous world at best evenish barring the scenario Miami gets way more than a 100% share in a big12 deal which I don’t see as realistic but then again welcome to 2024. I know he does have access so not sure if why he’s saying it is based on opinion or someone stating things to him that maybe I’m missing but I’m pretty **** sure I’m not far off.

Someone else wants to intelligently show me I’m wrong with numbers, have at it.

I will have no problem owning the L If I’m off but even then you’re judged by the company you keep… there are not enough good brands to jump over to big 12 to suddenly make it a p3 even if you had fsu Clemson going too (don’t think ND going would happen or change that either )
 
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Ispyin said:
Like I said love him but IMO he’s wrong on the numbers IMO and in a generous world at best evenish barring the scenario Miami gets way more than a 100% share. I know he does have access so not sure if why he’s saying it is based on opinion or someone stating things to him that maybe I’m missing but I’m pretty **** sure I’m not far off. Someone else wants to intelligently show me I’m wrong with numbers, have at it.

I will have no problem owning the L If I’m off but even then you’re judged by the company you keep… there are not enough good brands to jump over to big 12 to suddenly make it a p3 even if you had fsu Clemson going too (don’t think ND going would happen or change that either )
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I agree with you.

There’s no world where the Big 12 makes sense. And I’ve had no indication whatsoever, on what I’ve been told on this topic, that it’s a realistic option.
 
Ispyin said:
Like I said love him but IMO he’s wrong on the numbers IMO and in a generous world at best evenish barring the scenario Miami gets way more than a 100% share. I know he does have access so not sure if why he’s saying it is based on opinion or someone stating things to him that maybe I’m missing but I’m pretty **** sure I’m not far off. Someone else wants to intelligently show me I’m wrong with numbers, have at it.
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There is always the possibility that UM is leaking/floating this idea as leverage in the B10 negotiations. That to me is the most logical reasons, but I'm sure there are others.
 
Ispyin said:
Like I said love him but IMO he’s wrong on the numbers IMO and in a generous world at best evenish barring the scenario Miami gets way more than a 100% share. I know he does have access so not sure if why he’s saying it is based on opinion or someone stating things to him that maybe I’m missing but I’m pretty **** sure I’m not far off. Someone else wants to intelligently show me I’m wrong with numbers, have at it.

I will have no problem owning the L If I’m off but even then you’re judged by the company you keep… there are not enough good brands to jump over to big 12 to suddenly make it a p3 even if you had fsu Clemson going too (don’t think ND going would happen or change that either )
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He said that he wouldn’t trust the $ figures out there about conference payouts. He said the lawyer he’s talking to is plugged in with Miami and that the dollars to be offered by the B12 at full share are bigger than B10 half shares. In his opinion he would take the $ now from the B12 and move to the B10 eventually.

I have no idea if his dollar figures are correct but in my mind if you have a B10 offer you take it ala Oregon and Washington. Securing that spot is more important than short sighted dollars (if the full B12 shares really does offer more than half B10 shares which I doubt). I hope our administration isn’t being short sighted on this decision.
 
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lindend said:
There is always the possibility that UM is leaking/floating this idea as leverage in the B10 negotiations. That to me is the most logical reasons, but I'm sure there are others.
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But fox knows the tv deal for both so that doesn’t play here- rights holder in partnership in both conferences
 
Canesrule230 said:
He said that he wouldn’t trust the $ figures out there about conference payouts. He said the lawyer he’s talking to is plugged in with Miami and that the dollars to be offered by the B12 at full share are bigger than B10 half shares. In his opinion he would take the $ now from the B12 and move to the B10 eventually.

I have no idea if his dollar figures are correct but in my mind if you have a B10 offer you take it ala Oregon and Washington. Securing that spot is more important than short sighted dollars (if the full B12 shares really does offer more than half B10 shares which I doubt). I hope our administration isn’t being short sighted on this decision.
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They are literally out there in plain site if you dig because you know there are public institutions that have transparency laws and the terms of the deals were released at a top level if not the minutiae. At worst you have ball park figures to compare.

Could there be some super secret extra payments hidden in one or both that NO one has leaked or discovered ala no one knowing about espn option issue in acc contracts? Sure but extremely unlikely
 
Canesrule230 said:
He said that he wouldn’t trust the $ figures out there about conference payouts. He said the lawyer he’s talking to is plugged in with Miami and that the dollars to be offered by the B12 at full share are bigger than B10 half shares. In his opinion he would take the $ now from the B12 and move to the B10 eventually.

I have no idea if his dollar figures are correct but in my mind if you have a B10 offer you take it ala Oregon and Washington. Securing that spot is more important than short sighted dollars (if the full B12 shares really does offer more than half B10 shares which I doubt). I hope our administration isn’t being short sighted on this decision.
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You know who else thought like that - Blake James. If we take the B12 offer because of $5m more in the short term with no guarantee of a P2 move in the long term, it is the end of the program. Flo needs to stick to what he knows, because it is not business.
 
Ispyin said:
They are literally out there in plain site if you dig because you know there are public institutions that have transparency laws and the terms of the deals were released at a top level if not the minutiae. At worst you have ball park figures to compare.

Could there be some super secret extra payments hidden in one or both that NO one has leaked or discovered ala no one knowing about espn option issue in acc contracts? Sure but extremely unlikely
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Based on prior acquisitions, if the BigTen was gonna sweeten a deal, it’s likely in the form of covering some portion of exit fees from the incumbent conference and or amortizing the majority of the exit fees by way of offsetting from future BigTen tv money

Less than 5% chance Miami ends up in Big12

Miami and FSU to BigTen. Especially if FSU gets AAU status this year, they’ve been positioning themselves and greasing wheels to make that happen
 
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