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MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

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Ispyin said:
You legally can’t do that dude in the way you’re implying.
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Legally? Come on, everything has been discussed by FOX and ESPN as part of the CFP negotiations. Also, going forward, I believe you have to look at the "ACC Bylaws" as almost fictional documents that neither FSU or Clemson will pay much attention to since a). The ACC has had NO issue acting on multiple occasions as thought the bylaws didn't exist b). The schools were ruled NOT to have any fiduciary responsibility to the conference or members.

Right now the ACC and FSU / Clemson are in a staring match. ESPN wants NOTHING to do with the suits going forward as they don't want the highly secret ESPN media agreement to be bared to all via discovery. We are entering uncharted waters, with ****ed off universities who have been lied to, had pertinent facts hidden from them, had the ACC act illegally without adhering to bylaws , and a ****ed off ESPN that didn't want the 3 schools added, and seems to be at a point where keeping the ACC media agreement alive, just is no longer worth the effort, cost, and distraction.

Right now they are running BIG events ... The Masters. The SECN. Enhancing the SECN by adding a couple of key ACC programs, and letting the ACC go, would likely be very attractive and is something I believe they are getting ready to do if the ACC doesn't "settle" soon with FSU & Clemson. All very entertaining for sure.
 
TpaBayFlyFisher said:
Every time I look I hope there is an official statement that we are joining the B1G in 2026….
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Patience Calm Down GIF by Brat TV
 
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FL Cane said:
The BIG at a 20% share is infinitely better than the Big 12 at full.
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How do you figure? The Big 12 deal is only for six years and ends in 2031. It pays out approximately 50 million per school, not including CFP money. If the B1G is paying out 100 million per year (it's doesn't get north of 90 million until 2028 but I'll round up in your favor) and offers UM 20% shares for four years then 100% shares for the following two, you think giving up more than $100+ million in revenue and being able to move conferences in 2031 if we don't like the Big 12's new contract offer is the better option?

You must be including non monetary factors, because at 20% share in the B1G, UM would be losing a massive amount of money compared to if we had joined the Big 12 at full shares.

Are you valuing something non tangible like "conference prestige" as being worth 20-30 million per year in your math ?
 
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Handsome Squidbum said:
How do you figure? The Big 12 deal is only for six years and ends in 2031. It pays out approximately 50 million per school, not including CFP money. If the B1G is paying out 100 million per year (it's doesn't get north of 90 million until 2028 but I'll round up in your favor) and offers UM 20% shares for four years then 100% shares for the following two, you think giving up more than $100+ million in revenue and being able to move conferences in 2031 if we don't like the Big 12's new contract offer is the better option?

You must be including non monetary factors, because at 20% share in the B1G, UM would be losing a massive amount of money compared to if we had joined the Big 12 at full shares.

Are you valuing something non tangible like "conference prestige" as being worth 20-30 million per year in your math ?
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What if ESPN and Fox can't pay SEC and Big10 teams the payouts because the ad dollars just aren't there????
 
Small picture stuff.

Have UM file suit in NY state with a RICO act against ESPN and B1G Fox for colluding on CFP payouts and bidding.

With Leticia on our side lol we get a 1 billion or I put pinky up ….mhaaahaaaa 1 trillion dollar settlement.

We work with Amazon as an independent for all streaming services and promotions. They have inside the U like HBO has their program for the NFL. We work on athletic apparel with the Amazon logo as we can buy out adidas.

I kid. I kid.
 
fraggle said:
...the ACC wins in court?
...FSU and Clemson end up with no invites?
...the 2024 schedules get cancelations?
...neither the Big or SEC want more teams?
...our recent history leaves us off anyone's desirable list? ( we have been insignificant for 20 plus years).

Personally I don't like what is happening to college football. Oklahoma and Nebraska started this fiasco and now butt hurt fsu is expanding it. I am happy with being in the ACC for all our sports. If you boil it down the bottom line is not the fan, not the students, but just about the MONEY! Face it, no matter if it is SEC or B1G we will be the smaller fish in a B1G pond (or SEC pond)!
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fail old man GIF
 
Empirical Cane said:
What if ESPN and Fox can't pay SEC and Big10 teams the payouts because the ad dollars just aren't there????
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There is that as well. Cable TV is dying, but we keep looking at this as if Fox and ESPN have infinite money and will happily agree to proportionally increase the payouts to the SEC and Big 10. If the networks don't see new teams as being worth 100 million per year each in ad revenue (which is what is has to be to keep adding teams), will the conferences agree to get a haircut? Its one thing to say the B1G loves UM, it's other to say Fox Sports sees UM as being worth 100 million in ad revenue. They aren't the same thing.

I think it's more realistic that ESPN/Fox would agree to paying an extra $50 million per year for UM in the Big 12 than that either network would pay $100 million for UM to go to the P2. It's still a huge risk on their part - everyone says "just wait til we start winning and our TV ratings will go through the roof." We have been saying that for 20 years now. I have my doubts that the networks will be eager to invest 600-700 million on UM (assuming full shares in the P2 for 6-7 years) based on the hope that Mario Cristobal is the real deal. And before I get accused of being a troll, I'm not saying Cristobal is doomed to failure, I'm saying that businesses don't usually make half billion dollar decisions lightly.
 
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Handsome Squidbum said:
How do you figure? The Big 12 deal is only for six years and ends in 2031. It pays out approximately 50 million per school, not including CFP money. If the B1G is paying out 100 million per year (it's doesn't get north of 90 million until 2028 but I'll round up in your favor) and offers UM 20% shares for four years then 100% shares for the following two, you think giving up more than $100+ million in revenue and being able to move conferences in 2031 if we don't like the Big 12's new contract offer is the better option?

You must be including non monetary factors, because at 20% share in the B1G, UM would be losing a massive amount of money compared to if we had joined the Big 12 at full shares.

Are you valuing something non tangible like "conference prestige" as being worth 20-30 million per year in your math ?
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You take the short term revenue loss for the long term gain. The Big 12 is a death sentence for Miami football. By the time you could hypothetically move you’re nearly six years behind other peer P2 teams. Also, bold to think the Big or SEC will want to expand with the next contract. You get in as soon as you can. Conference prestige and access to the playoff absolutely matters. Again, the Big 12 would be a death sentence. There’s no way around it. You can’t say join the equivalent of Tier 2 CFB and hope you get picked up nearly six years later. You do whatever you need to get in asap.

It’s a permanent loss of prestige and relegation to Tier 2 level football. Recruiting will crater and the program would be done for. There is no long game here. You do everything you can to get into the BIG or SEC, even if that means taking barely any revenue for a few years.
 
fraggle said:
...the ACC wins in court?
...FSU and Clemson end up with no invites?
...the 2024 schedules get cancelations?
...neither the Big or SEC want more teams?
...our recent history leaves us off anyone's desirable list? ( we have been insignificant for 20 plus years).

Personally I don't like what is happening to college football. Oklahoma and Nebraska started this fiasco and now butt hurt fsu is expanding it. I am happy with being in the ACC for all our sports. If you boil it down the bottom line is not the fan, not the students, but just about the MONEY! Face it, no matter if it is SEC or B1G we will be the smaller fish in a B1G pond (or SEC pond)!
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You were my muse for Porster 2.
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
There is that as well. Cable TV is dying, but we keep looking at this as if Fox and ESPN have infinite money and will happily agree to proportionally increase the payouts to the SEC and Big 10. If the networks don't see new teams as being worth 100 million per year each in ad revenue (which is what is has to be to keep adding teams), will the conferences agree to get a haircut? Its one thing to say the B1G loves UM, it's other to say Fox Sports sees UM as being worth 100 million in ad revenue. They aren't the same thing.

I think it's more realistic that ESPN/Fox would agree to paying an extra $50 million per year for UM in the Big 12 than that either network would pay $100 million for UM to go to the P2. It's still a huge risk on their part - everyone says "just wait til we start winning and our TV ratings will go through the roof." We have been saying that for 20 years now. I have my doubts that the networks will be eager to invest 600-700 million on UM (assuming full shares in the P2 for 6-7 years) based on the hope that Mario Cristobal is the real deal. And before I get accused of being a troll, I'm not saying Cristobal is doomed to failure, I'm saying that businesses don't usually make half billion dollar decisions lightly.
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Why would Miami willingly take tens of millions of dollars in revenue loss year to year compared to our biggest competitors, with the hope of being the equivalent of six years late to the party? You take the revenue loss now to get into the conference that’ll give you major long term gains.

Also, why is it always the worst case scenario with us? If we’re not getting into the P2, does that mean you believe that only FSU and Clemson are getting taken in the next round of expansion? Because our metrics are better than any other team that’s not them.
 
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FL Cane said:
Why would Miami willingly take tens of millions of dollars in revenue loss year to year compared to our biggest competitors, with the hope of being the equivalent of six years late to the party? You take the revenue loss now to get into the conference that’ll give you major long term gains.

Also, why is it always the worst case scenario with us? If we’re not getting into the P2, does that mean you believe that only FSU and Clemson are getting taken in the next round of expansion? Because our metrics are better than any other team that’s not them.
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Agree there is going to be some SEC and some B10 activity. SEC in my opinion doesn't count for UM directly, indirectly it takes programs that compete with us for a B10 slot. Clemson and UNC to the SEC, then Miami and FSU to the B10. FSU & Clemson to the SEC? Then Miami + 1 to the B10. ND staying independent for a few more years is also a + for us in the current situation. Miami NEEDS to win the ACC this year.
 
Handsome Squidbum said:
1. Not trolling
2. Big 12 is not going to locked out of playoffs. In a 14 team expanded playoff, the football crazy big 12 isn't going to be left out.
3. You should read what I wrote instead of just shaking with anger when you see someone hold a contrary opinion to yours. The main reason I think the Big 12 is currently the more viable option is that ESPN owns 60% of the media rights. The B1G is clearly a much better long term option, but the media rights deal is what it is. I'm not pinning all our hopes on fsu winning a lawsuit and outsourcing our destiny to the Seminoles. It looks like your plan is to cross your fingers and hope FSU wins its case, then maybe we can start the process of trying to find other teams that will vote to end the acc, and then hope to get a spot in the P2. That's a lot of hoping and not a lot of concrete action. Hope is not a course of action.

Big 12 has basically an identical GOR, but espn paid the conference to move Oklahoma and Texas to the SEC. That's something we can control. Espn is probably going to pay to move Clemson and FSU to the SEC. They aren't taking us along with them. We could try to get the same deal to go to the Big 12. I think that's better than staying in the ACC. Saying the big 12 is a better option than the acc is not trolling.
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You are dead wrong on #2

SEC/B1G are eventually becoming the NFC and AFC with the playoffs within themselves and a Super Bowl/Champion. That is the direction all of this is headed and it is already being discussed. I don't know how you are missing all of that!

Other than that, anyone who uses that flag and names themself handsome squidbum must be a troll!
 
Rickd said:
Agree there is going to be some SEC and some B10 activity. SEC in my opinion doesn't count for UM directly, indirectly it takes programs that compete with us for a B10 slot. Clemson and UNC to the SEC, then Miami and FSU to the B10. FSU & Clemson to the SEC? Then Miami + 1 to the B10. ND staying independent for a few more years is also a + for us in the current situation. Miami NEEDS to win the ACC this year.
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It just blows my mind that anyone thinks the Big 12 is an option. It’s a death sentence.
 
FL Cane said:
It just blows my mind that anyone thinks the Big 12 is an option. It’s a death sentence.
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Going forward after this next "realignment" wave, there will be a P2, nationally broadcast games that draw national viewers, and there will be "the other" conferences that will provide filler on a regional basis basically, and will have very limited audiences. Even starting in 2024 the B10 is introducing "Friday Night Football" and will have at least 9 major B10 matchups for national broadcasts. It hasn't even begun yet. By 2026 the viewing landscape will be significantly altered.
 
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