MEGA Conference Realignment and lawsuits Megathread: Stories, Tales, Lies, and Exaggerations

TIFWIW- no idea on their “sauces” but interesting Convo around the 4 min mark

TL:DR- may be an actual vote tomorrow. “Miami is school no one wants to talk about … but our sources have Miami against expansion.”

Didn’t watch whole thing yet so watcher beware


Somebody forgot to tell Stanford how rich they are.


These guys don't know how to count. I'm speculating athletics isn't even top two receipient of endowment disbursement.

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TIFWIW- no idea on their “sauces” but interesting Convo around the 4 min mark

TL:DR- may be an actual vote tomorrow. “Miami is school no one wants to talk about … but our sources have Miami against expansion.”

Didn’t watch whole thing yet so watcher beware


What a f_cking shocker! LOL
 
The fact that these guys think a big reason the ACC doesn't want to add Stanford and Cal is because they "don't want liberal schools from California in this political climate" is hysterical.
Well I am just focused on the Miami voting part, not the political BS
 
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TIFWIW- no idea on their “sauces” but interesting Convo around the 4 min mark

TL:DR- may be an actual vote tomorrow. “Miami is school no one wants to talk about … but our sources have Miami against expansion.”

Didn’t watch whole thing yet so watcher beware


00:00:00 - 00:45:00

The ACC is considering expanding again, this time with the potential addition of Stanford and Cal to the conference. However, there are doubts about whether this expansion will actually happen due to potential opposition from schools like Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina, who may not want to make it more difficult to break the ACC Grants of Rights. Additionally, the ACC may not want to deal with the geopolitical situation of Stanford and Cal. However, Stanford's financial stability and influence may scare other ACC schools. Overall, while there is positive momentum for expansion, it remains unclear which members of the ACC might be opposing it, and there are still questions about travel and financial implications that need to be considered.

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  • 00:00:00 In this section, there is news that the ACC is looking to expand again and add Stanford and Cal to the conference. This move would have a wide-ranging impact on college football as it involves multiple conferences. While there has been significant lobbying in favor of expansion, there are still hurdles and questions about travel and financial implications that need to be considered. Stanford, in particular, is in a good financial position compared to Cal, which is in massive debt. Despite the positive momentum, there are doubts about whether this expansion will actually happen. The athletic staff has been reporting on this extensively, but it's still unclear which members of the ACC might be opposing the expansion.
  • 00:05:00 In this section, the speaker discusses the potential expansion of the ACC and expresses doubt that Stanford and Cal will be added to the conference. They believe that schools like Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina do not want expansion because it would make it more difficult to break the ACC Grants of Rights. They also mention the politics surrounding Stanford and Cal, stating that the ACC does not want to deal with the geopolitical situation of those schools. The speaker suggests that Stanford's considerable influence and financial stability may scare other ACC schools. They conclude by stating that they do not believe Stanford and Cal will be added to the ACC in the end.
  • 00:10:00 In this section of the video, the host discusses the difference in financial resources and value proposition between Stanford and SMU. While Stanford's wealth is rooted in their educational excellence and P5 status, SMU's money comes from oil industry individuals pooling their resources. The conversation shifts to the lack of value proposition from SMU, with the host expressing frustration at not being able to grasp what SMU brings to the table. They emphasize that while Stanford's value lies in education, SMU's value proposition is unclear, as they are not a powerhouse football program waiting for P5 funding. Furthermore, the host discusses the lack of respect for Stanford in the ACC compared to the Big 12 and Pac-12. They argue that institutions like Duke and North Carolina in the ACC are valued for their regular appearances on ESPN and successful basketball programs. The host also challenges the notion that ACC schools have strong football programs, stating that UNC is a flash in the pan and not a college football playoff team. They conclude by emphasizing that while Duke and UNC may not be Stanford, they have the advantage of being regularly featured on TV and have had recent success in both football and basketball.
  • 00:15:00 In this section, the speaker discusses the possibility of Stanford joining the ACC and the potential implications for other West Coast schools. The speaker doubts that there is much reverence or respect for Stanford within the ACC, but notes that money matters in college athletics. They believe that Stanford, being a prestigious institution, would rather be independent than indebted to the ACC. The speaker also highlights the political dysfunction at the University of Miami and doubts that Miami, North Carolina, Florida State, and Clemson would vote to add Stanford and Cal. They consider Clemson and North Carolina as the only possible schools that may consider the addition, but still see it as unlikely. The speaker also comments on the academic reputation of Cal and the debt issues plaguing the institution. They mention the possibility of Stanford going independent if they are not accepted into the ACC and speculate on where Cal, Oregon State, and Washington State might end up if Stanford does not join the ACC. The speaker suggests that the AAC will not dissolve itself and that Oregon State and Washington State have invitations to the Mountain West. They conclude that there is no consensus on whether all members of the Mountain West would come to the Pac-12, but state that it doesn't make sense for West Coast schools to adopt a Midwest lifestyle.
  • 00:20:00 In this section of the video, the speaker discusses the potential expansion of the ACC and the challenges faced by schools like Oregon State, Washington State, and Cal. The speaker argues that it makes no sense for these schools to join the AAC, as the AAC's membership includes smaller universities that are not on the same level as them. The speaker also questions the excitement of matchups between these schools and those in the ACC, stating that it is clear they are not a fit for the P5 conference. Overall, the speaker suggests that these schools should focus on exploring options with the ACC rather than settling for the AAC.
  • 00:25:00 In this section, the speaker discusses the possibility of Stanford going independent instead of joining the AAC, and questions why Stanford would have reservations about joining the Mountain West conference. The speaker expresses doubt that the AAC will add Stanford and mentions that they have not heard from anyone who believes it is a definite decision. They also mention the difficulty of convincing schools like Miami, Clemson, Florida State, and North Carolina to move conferences. However, the speaker acknowledges the potential influence of name image and likeness negotiations and the sense of urgency from Stanford to seek finality in the conference expansion process. The speaker concludes by thanking the audience and promoting a ticket giveaway contest.
  • 00:30:00 In this section, the video host is discussing various topics, including a new energy drink called Buckshot, post nasal drip, and the value of SMU in the ACC expansion. The host appreciates the support of viewers and announces new members of the show. The host also mentions a tweet from someone claiming that the college football playoff is expanding to eight teams, which is incorrect. The host expresses gratitude for compliments received and discusses the upcoming NBA schedule release. Lastly, the host questions the value that SMU brings to the ACC expansion, highlighting the lack of athletic success and questioning the significant financial compensation they receive.
  • 00:35:00 In this section, the speaker discusses the ongoing debate about the importance of on-field success versus academic prestige when it comes to conference expansion. The speaker argues that it is a case-by-case situation and that the value of a university in a conference goes beyond just their performance in sports. They mention examples like Stanford and Miami, highlighting the athletic and academic aspects each school brings. The speaker also alludes to the dysfunction within the ACC and questions the potential addition of schools like Clemson and North Carolina to the Big 12. Ultimately, the speaker suggests that there are different levels to college athletics and that the top-tier schools will always be protected and valued.
  • 00:40:00 In this section, the discussion revolves around the perception versus reality of Stanford's value and its position in conference expansion. It is argued that Stanford has had to sell itself to conferences like the Big Ten and the ACC. However, the fact that Stanford is not currently in a conference suggests that there may be reasons why it hasn't been picked up by one yet. The conversation also highlights the smaller size of Stanford's student body and its lack of massive fan support, which may impact its appeal to conferences. Ultimately, it is suggested that Stanford may be fighting a perception versus reality battle in terms of its value and desirability to conferences.
  • 00:45:00 In this section, the conversation veers away from the ACC expansion topic and becomes more light-hearted and humorous. The hosts discuss their show and the dynamics between them, including a playful argument about the size of one of the hosts. There is no direct connection to the ACC expansion news.
 
Great freakin' post.

I'll try not to repeat anyhing that you said quite eloquently.

I'd just point out two things that don't get mentioned as frequently.

One involves MONTHS of selective leaking and questionable narratives. We have seen it over and over and over again, but SUDDENLY...now that people WANT to believe a particular anti-UM-best-interest narrative (that Miami supports expansion with no concessions)...nooooowwwww guys want to believe what an agenda-driven sportswriter says, as if it's the God's honest truth...

The other involves guys who are so DESPERATE to be right that they will openly put forth inaccurate statements that are negative or critical of Miami, not because they have information that those negative statements about UM are true, but because they want to be "right". At any cost.

And then we wonder why some of these top recruits are confused about whether to have faith in Miami's future, whether that is our conference, our coaching, or our cash-money payments...

I'm not saying recruits make their decisions based solely on what they read on these boards. But when Miami porsters seem to confirm all the negative things that, say, the Gaytors just told them about UM...
Oh yes indeed, thanks for bringing up recruiting again.

People claim they know how slimy the recruiting game is, but then don't recognize how much it benefits FSU, UF and others to say "Miami voted for expansion and they plan to stay in the ACC or simply won't get an invite to a major conference. They are getting left behind." We already have other programs talking about our billionaire who supposedly funded all of our NIL $ (another lie) and his potential ponzi scheme that went broke.
 
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00:00:00 - 00:45:00

The ACC is considering expanding again, this time with the potential addition of Stanford and Cal to the conference. However, there are doubts about whether this expansion will actually happen due to potential opposition from schools like Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina, who may not want to make it more difficult to break the ACC Grants of Rights. Additionally, the ACC may not want to deal with the geopolitical situation of Stanford and Cal. However, Stanford's financial stability and influence may scare other ACC schools. Overall, while there is positive momentum for expansion, it remains unclear which members of the ACC might be opposing it, and there are still questions about travel and financial implications that need to be considered.

See less
  • 00:00:00 In this section, there is news that the ACC is looking to expand again and add Stanford and Cal to the conference. This move would have a wide-ranging impact on college football as it involves multiple conferences. While there has been significant lobbying in favor of expansion, there are still hurdles and questions about travel and financial implications that need to be considered. Stanford, in particular, is in a good financial position compared to Cal, which is in massive debt. Despite the positive momentum, there are doubts about whether this expansion will actually happen. The athletic staff has been reporting on this extensively, but it's still unclear which members of the ACC might be opposing the expansion.
  • 00:05:00 In this section, the speaker discusses the potential expansion of the ACC and expresses doubt that Stanford and Cal will be added to the conference. They believe that schools like Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina do not want expansion because it would make it more difficult to break the ACC Grants of Rights. They also mention the politics surrounding Stanford and Cal, stating that the ACC does not want to deal with the geopolitical situation of those schools. The speaker suggests that Stanford's considerable influence and financial stability may scare other ACC schools. They conclude by stating that they do not believe Stanford and Cal will be added to the ACC in the end.
  • 00:10:00 In this section of the video, the host discusses the difference in financial resources and value proposition between Stanford and SMU. While Stanford's wealth is rooted in their educational excellence and P5 status, SMU's money comes from oil industry individuals pooling their resources. The conversation shifts to the lack of value proposition from SMU, with the host expressing frustration at not being able to grasp what SMU brings to the table. They emphasize that while Stanford's value lies in education, SMU's value proposition is unclear, as they are not a powerhouse football program waiting for P5 funding. Furthermore, the host discusses the lack of respect for Stanford in the ACC compared to the Big 12 and Pac-12. They argue that institutions like Duke and North Carolina in the ACC are valued for their regular appearances on ESPN and successful basketball programs. The host also challenges the notion that ACC schools have strong football programs, stating that UNC is a flash in the pan and not a college football playoff team. They conclude by emphasizing that while Duke and UNC may not be Stanford, they have the advantage of being regularly featured on TV and have had recent success in both football and basketball.
  • 00:15:00 In this section, the speaker discusses the possibility of Stanford joining the ACC and the potential implications for other West Coast schools. The speaker doubts that there is much reverence or respect for Stanford within the ACC, but notes that money matters in college athletics. They believe that Stanford, being a prestigious institution, would rather be independent than indebted to the ACC. The speaker also highlights the political dysfunction at the University of Miami and doubts that Miami, North Carolina, Florida State, and Clemson would vote to add Stanford and Cal. They consider Clemson and North Carolina as the only possible schools that may consider the addition, but still see it as unlikely. The speaker also comments on the academic reputation of Cal and the debt issues plaguing the institution. They mention the possibility of Stanford going independent if they are not accepted into the ACC and speculate on where Cal, Oregon State, and Washington State might end up if Stanford does not join the ACC. The speaker suggests that the AAC will not dissolve itself and that Oregon State and Washington State have invitations to the Mountain West. They conclude that there is no consensus on whether all members of the Mountain West would come to the Pac-12, but state that it doesn't make sense for West Coast schools to adopt a Midwest lifestyle.
  • 00:20:00 In this section of the video, the speaker discusses the potential expansion of the ACC and the challenges faced by schools like Oregon State, Washington State, and Cal. The speaker argues that it makes no sense for these schools to join the AAC, as the AAC's membership includes smaller universities that are not on the same level as them. The speaker also questions the excitement of matchups between these schools and those in the ACC, stating that it is clear they are not a fit for the P5 conference. Overall, the speaker suggests that these schools should focus on exploring options with the ACC rather than settling for the AAC.
  • 00:25:00 In this section, the speaker discusses the possibility of Stanford going independent instead of joining the AAC, and questions why Stanford would have reservations about joining the Mountain West conference. The speaker expresses doubt that the AAC will add Stanford and mentions that they have not heard from anyone who believes it is a definite decision. They also mention the difficulty of convincing schools like Miami, Clemson, Florida State, and North Carolina to move conferences. However, the speaker acknowledges the potential influence of name image and likeness negotiations and the sense of urgency from Stanford to seek finality in the conference expansion process. The speaker concludes by thanking the audience and promoting a ticket giveaway contest.
  • 00:30:00 In this section, the video host is discussing various topics, including a new energy drink called Buckshot, post nasal drip, and the value of SMU in the ACC expansion. The host appreciates the support of viewers and announces new members of the show. The host also mentions a tweet from someone claiming that the college football playoff is expanding to eight teams, which is incorrect. The host expresses gratitude for compliments received and discusses the upcoming NBA schedule release. Lastly, the host questions the value that SMU brings to the ACC expansion, highlighting the lack of athletic success and questioning the significant financial compensation they receive.
  • 00:35:00 In this section, the speaker discusses the ongoing debate about the importance of on-field success versus academic prestige when it comes to conference expansion. The speaker argues that it is a case-by-case situation and that the value of a university in a conference goes beyond just their performance in sports. They mention examples like Stanford and Miami, highlighting the athletic and academic aspects each school brings. The speaker also alludes to the dysfunction within the ACC and questions the potential addition of schools like Clemson and North Carolina to the Big 12. Ultimately, the speaker suggests that there are different levels to college athletics and that the top-tier schools will always be protected and valued.
  • 00:40:00 In this section, the discussion revolves around the perception versus reality of Stanford's value and its position in conference expansion. It is argued that Stanford has had to sell itself to conferences like the Big Ten and the ACC. However, the fact that Stanford is not currently in a conference suggests that there may be reasons why it hasn't been picked up by one yet. The conversation also highlights the smaller size of Stanford's student body and its lack of massive fan support, which may impact its appeal to conferences. Ultimately, it is suggested that Stanford may be fighting a perception versus reality battle in terms of its value and desirability to conferences.
  • 00:45:00 In this section, the conversation veers away from the ACC expansion topic and becomes more light-hearted and humorous. The hosts discuss their show and the dynamics between them, including a playful argument about the size of one of the hosts. There is no direct connection to the ACC expansion news.
Well I know this article is BS by reading the very first paragraph on who the voters are.
 

00:00:00 - 00:45:00

The ACC is considering expanding again, this time with the potential addition of Stanford and Cal to the conference. However, there are doubts about whether this expansion will actually happen due to potential opposition from schools like Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina, who may not want to make it more difficult to break the ACC Grants of Rights. Additionally, the ACC may not want to deal with the geopolitical situation of Stanford and Cal. However, Stanford's financial stability and influence may scare other ACC schools. Overall, while there is positive momentum for expansion, it remains unclear which members of the ACC might be opposing it, and there are still questions about travel and financial implications that need to be considered.

See less
  • 00:00:00 In this section, there is news that the ACC is looking to expand again and add Stanford and Cal to the conference. This move would have a wide-ranging impact on college football as it involves multiple conferences. While there has been significant lobbying in favor of expansion, there are still hurdles and questions about travel and financial implications that need to be considered. Stanford, in particular, is in a good financial position compared to Cal, which is in massive debt. Despite the positive momentum, there are doubts about whether this expansion will actually happen. The athletic staff has been reporting on this extensively, but it's still unclear which members of the ACC might be opposing the expansion.
  • 00:05:00 In this section, the speaker discusses the potential expansion of the ACC and expresses doubt that Stanford and Cal will be added to the conference. They believe that schools like Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina do not want expansion because it would make it more difficult to break the ACC Grants of Rights. They also mention the politics surrounding Stanford and Cal, stating that the ACC does not want to deal with the geopolitical situation of those schools. The speaker suggests that Stanford's considerable influence and financial stability may scare other ACC schools. They conclude by stating that they do not believe Stanford and Cal will be added to the ACC in the end.
  • 00:10:00 In this section of the video, the host discusses the difference in financial resources and value proposition between Stanford and SMU. While Stanford's wealth is rooted in their educational excellence and P5 status, SMU's money comes from oil industry individuals pooling their resources. The conversation shifts to the lack of value proposition from SMU, with the host expressing frustration at not being able to grasp what SMU brings to the table. They emphasize that while Stanford's value lies in education, SMU's value proposition is unclear, as they are not a powerhouse football program waiting for P5 funding. Furthermore, the host discusses the lack of respect for Stanford in the ACC compared to the Big 12 and Pac-12. They argue that institutions like Duke and North Carolina in the ACC are valued for their regular appearances on ESPN and successful basketball programs. The host also challenges the notion that ACC schools have strong football programs, stating that UNC is a flash in the pan and not a college football playoff team. They conclude by emphasizing that while Duke and UNC may not be Stanford, they have the advantage of being regularly featured on TV and have had recent success in both football and basketball.
  • 00:15:00 In this section, the speaker discusses the possibility of Stanford joining the ACC and the potential implications for other West Coast schools. The speaker doubts that there is much reverence or respect for Stanford within the ACC, but notes that money matters in college athletics. They believe that Stanford, being a prestigious institution, would rather be independent than indebted to the ACC. The speaker also highlights the political dysfunction at the University of Miami and doubts that Miami, North Carolina, Florida State, and Clemson would vote to add Stanford and Cal. They consider Clemson and North Carolina as the only possible schools that may consider the addition, but still see it as unlikely. The speaker also comments on the academic reputation of Cal and the debt issues plaguing the institution. They mention the possibility of Stanford going independent if they are not accepted into the ACC and speculate on where Cal, Oregon State, and Washington State might end up if Stanford does not join the ACC. The speaker suggests that the AAC will not dissolve itself and that Oregon State and Washington State have invitations to the Mountain West. They conclude that there is no consensus on whether all members of the Mountain West would come to the Pac-12, but state that it doesn't make sense for West Coast schools to adopt a Midwest lifestyle.
  • 00:20:00 In this section of the video, the speaker discusses the potential expansion of the ACC and the challenges faced by schools like Oregon State, Washington State, and Cal. The speaker argues that it makes no sense for these schools to join the AAC, as the AAC's membership includes smaller universities that are not on the same level as them. The speaker also questions the excitement of matchups between these schools and those in the ACC, stating that it is clear they are not a fit for the P5 conference. Overall, the speaker suggests that these schools should focus on exploring options with the ACC rather than settling for the AAC.
  • 00:25:00 In this section, the speaker discusses the possibility of Stanford going independent instead of joining the AAC, and questions why Stanford would have reservations about joining the Mountain West conference. The speaker expresses doubt that the AAC will add Stanford and mentions that they have not heard from anyone who believes it is a definite decision. They also mention the difficulty of convincing schools like Miami, Clemson, Florida State, and North Carolina to move conferences. However, the speaker acknowledges the potential influence of name image and likeness negotiations and the sense of urgency from Stanford to seek finality in the conference expansion process. The speaker concludes by thanking the audience and promoting a ticket giveaway contest.
  • 00:30:00 In this section, the video host is discussing various topics, including a new energy drink called Buckshot, post nasal drip, and the value of SMU in the ACC expansion. The host appreciates the support of viewers and announces new members of the show. The host also mentions a tweet from someone claiming that the college football playoff is expanding to eight teams, which is incorrect. The host expresses gratitude for compliments received and discusses the upcoming NBA schedule release. Lastly, the host questions the value that SMU brings to the ACC expansion, highlighting the lack of athletic success and questioning the significant financial compensation they receive.
  • 00:35:00 In this section, the speaker discusses the ongoing debate about the importance of on-field success versus academic prestige when it comes to conference expansion. The speaker argues that it is a case-by-case situation and that the value of a university in a conference goes beyond just their performance in sports. They mention examples like Stanford and Miami, highlighting the athletic and academic aspects each school brings. The speaker also alludes to the dysfunction within the ACC and questions the potential addition of schools like Clemson and North Carolina to the Big 12. Ultimately, the speaker suggests that there are different levels to college athletics and that the top-tier schools will always be protected and valued.
  • 00:40:00 In this section, the discussion revolves around the perception versus reality of Stanford's value and its position in conference expansion. It is argued that Stanford has had to sell itself to conferences like the Big Ten and the ACC. However, the fact that Stanford is not currently in a conference suggests that there may be reasons why it hasn't been picked up by one yet. The conversation also highlights the smaller size of Stanford's student body and its lack of massive fan support, which may impact its appeal to conferences. Ultimately, it is suggested that Stanford may be fighting a perception versus reality battle in terms of its value and desirability to conferences.
  • 00:45:00 In this section, the conversation veers away from the ACC expansion topic and becomes more light-hearted and humorous. The hosts discuss their show and the dynamics between them, including a playful argument about the size of one of the hosts. There is no direct connection to the ACC expansion news.
@CaneInMD which transcript tool did you use
 
Oh yes indeed, thanks for bringing up recruiting again.

People claim they know how slimy the recruiting game is, but then don't recognize how much it benefits FSU, UF and others to say "Miami voted for expansion and they plan to stay in the ACC or simply won't get an invite to a major conference. They are getting left behind." We already have other programs talking about our billionaire who supposedly funded all of our NIL $ (another lie) and his potential ponzi scheme that went broke.

Not their fault for leveraging a choice of words by RetirementMode Rad appearing to align with BetaBlake…. 😎
 
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Not their fault for leveraging a choice of words by RetirementMode Rad appearing to align with BetaBlake…. 😎
Yes I’m sure you’re right. Same guy raising over $100 million for a football facility wants to make sure his legacy in retirement is basically burying the program forever in his wake. Completely tracks.
 
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If Stanford joined the ACC without accepting money that would mean we could distribute their revenue more to the schools that perform best which would be sweet.

I’d rather join the B10 but that seems like a long shot now. Stanford is an amazing university with a big brand. I’d be down to add them and expand our conference since I’m starting to think we will be in the ACC for the foreseeable future unless bigger changes happen in conference realignment which adding Stanford to the ACC would prevent anyways
 
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Since there is some speculation out in media land:

1. Will the ACC have another expansion straw poll today?

2. Will there be enough "no's" or "abstentions" to, again, quash an actual vote?

3. What can we expect from UM if there is:
  • a straw poll?
  • an actual vote?
I'm in favor of whichever path is the quickest to the dissolution or implosion of the ACC. It's time to go
 
I’d rather join the B10 but that seems like a long shot now

Why do you say that mi amigo?

A LOT of stuff happening in the dark.

Even if/when the SEC steers clear of us, there's no way FOX (and the B1G) pass on a brand with football upside like the Miami Hurricanes
 
Still going to be hard to get enough team votes to add them wouldn't it be. There should be enough NO votes to keep it from happening.

This is the one time Condi needs to go eat a fat ****!
If ND were to join the conference and get the ACC a new TV deal, then that may save it with all teams intact. Don't see her being successful.
 
ATTENTION ALL MOPES

College Football is in the beginning stages of a massive shift. We may not like it, but it has been slowly creeping this way for a long time and will soon (within 10 years) look more like the NFL than we like to admit. Ever since the day that the first college basketball player stated that the pixels in the game that had his approximate stats represented him and he should be compensated, we have been on this road. Also, that is why we no longer have the NCAA game that we all loved so much.

The NIL was a long time coming and is now a reality. The schools that think of football as serious will be in one the the major conferences, and the ACC is NOT one of them. WE may end up with 64 schools that are major in football and the rest in a minor league of sorts. That larger league will treat players like employees of the University and they will have benefits. You can bet that some sort of agreement with the NFL will soon thereafter follow.

Get used to it, it is happening and there is nothing that we can do to stop it.
 
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